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Pastywhyte
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: megatacular]
#22238984 - 09/14/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The reason we use high spawn ratios is because we spawn in open air, often work with ms (many people do not have crazy isolates to rely on) and depending on your substrate rely on the spawn to provide the lions share of nutrition. There are exceptions of course but typically you get the same or similar yields depending on how much spawn you use. The bulk is mostly to supply water and keep up the RH in monotubs etc.
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: kyoung757]
#22238991 - 09/14/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tell me what you think though that's two half filled pint jars of spawn to about [(1/3) to (1/2)] of a 40 lb bag of manure composte from Lowes
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: kyoung757]
#22239008 - 09/14/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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so i would have the same amout of shrooms even if i used the whole bag in a larger tub? whats the point of monotubs then and even making a substrate? why not just use cakes?
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: kyoung757]
#22239025 - 09/14/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mono tubs are a maintainence free way of fruiting bulk grows. And cakes won't produce as much. Also what pastye said
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: kyoung757]
#22239034 - 09/14/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The point of monotubs is to use high spawn ratios to maximize yield given the fruiting space. You are comparing apples to oranges if you compare gourmet mushrooms to cubes. Wood lovers like shiitake actually do poorly in a highly suplimented substrate and they prefer lignin as a nutritional source. Cubes are not woodlovers and need lots of cellulose. Different species need different things.
There are some people who are really good at bulk supplimentation and can stretch the spawn. But it takes practice and they still won't typically go below 1:4 ratio. Your sitting somewhere around 1:10 right now. It doesn't look too bad but I wouldn't be holding my breath for a canopy or lots of flushes.
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: megatacular]
#22239035 - 09/14/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A substrate is partially nutritive. So the myceilium consumes a part of it. Thus more fruits and more surface area for fruits
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: megatacular]
#22239039 - 09/14/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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why dont cakes produce the same amount of shrooms if they're pure spawn?
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22239042 - 09/14/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: The point of monotubs is to use high spawn ratios to maximize yield given the fruiting space. You are comparing apples to oranges if you compare gourmet mushrooms to cubes. Wood lovers like shiitake actually do poorly in a highly suplimented substrate and they prefer lignin as a nutritional source. Cubes are not woodlovers and need lots of cellulose. Different species need different things.
There are some people who are really good at bulk supplimentation and can stretch the spawn. But it takes practice and they still won't typically go below 1:4 ratio. Your sitting somewhere around 1:10 right now. It doesn't look too bad but I wouldn't be holding my breath for a canopy or lots of flushes.
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: kyoung757]
#22239044 - 09/14/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok i did not see mega's post before my previous message
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: kyoung757]
#22239054 - 09/14/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok so i basically wasted my spawn by making it use some of its food to colonize a lot of sub
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: kyoung757]
#22239076 - 09/14/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well you will probably see a flush. Its more of a waste of bulk sub and space. Those two pints would have been better used to expand to a dozen quarts and spawned two monos instead of one.
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22239099 - 09/14/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And I believe maddchef said it best when u posted the same thing in the noob forum. Unless ur sub is super nutritive and can hold lots of moisture at the same time then yeah u wasted sub really not spawn. Well both I guess if u have no more
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: megatacular]
#22239194 - 09/14/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know a guy that swears by the 1 to 10 or 1 to 20 ratio. He says the lower spawn ratios lower the risk of contamination by putting less sterilized growing medium in the sub.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: elasticaltiger]
#22239217 - 09/14/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Except pasteurized material is at just as much risk of contam. Pasteurization only provides a window and if colonization does not occur within that window trich will be waiting.
That's of course my opinion. Tiger can you tell us what kind of BE your friend gets with such a low ratio? Curious to see what can be had with a mostly bulk sub. I would assume its fairly high in supplimentation.
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: elasticaltiger]
#22239229 - 09/14/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well once grain in colonized with myc its no longer sterile now is it? Bacteria mold fungi anything that comes in contact with sterile grain makes it.no longer sterile. So that is not true what ur friend says. And with a super nutritive sub I would bet there's a possibility less could do the same. I wouldn't think it could do more than a higher ratio of spawn but yeah it could work.
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: megatacular]
#22239238 - 09/14/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Got pics?
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: megatacular]
#22239247 - 09/14/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know my friends BE but i know he's using trays, not tubs and is using compost plus hpoo plus staw. He's giving them extremely ideal growing conditions better than i can produce. Ive never seen his grows but hes been trying to get me to lower my spawn ratio for awhile and i dont see him pushing it so hard if it wasn't working for him. I'll ask him about his be.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
Edited by elasticaltiger (09/14/15 11:44 PM)
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: elasticaltiger]
#22239508 - 09/15/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool. I'd love to check it out.
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Re: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: elasticaltiger]
#22239757 - 09/15/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: I don't know my friends BE but i know he's using trays, not tubs and is using compost plus hpoo plus staw. He's giving them extremely ideal growing conditions better than i can produce. Ive never seen his grows but hes been trying to get me to lower my spawn ratio for awhile and i dont see him pushing it so hard if it wasn't working for him. I'll ask him about his be.
Cool. I would be curious. Also would like to know what he is using for spawn. Must be something with lots of knock points. I bet brf slurry would do pretty good on a super high suppliment/nutrition sub.
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{UPDATE}: Less Spawn More Shrooms :) (Bulk Method) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22284266 - 09/24/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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First few fruits popped up and matured on the sides of the monotub (about 6 of them) which came out to be 163 or so wet. I fruited them too early should have waited until it was fully colonized (impatience) but the fruits are a good sign that it will eventually bare fruit soon
Just the begining of the first flush and got more than I would have on a cake alone... Im hoping I'll get 3-4 times more than that and if so.. LESS SPAWN is the way to go
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