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Organic Chemistry bitchez
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Little backstory I took chemistry a couple years ago and barely passed, didn't try to learn cause I never thought I'd use it but since I've joined shroomery I've regretted doing that cause I'm really interested in it and am thinking about trying it in college. Problem is I would go into it knowing nothing. But I found an organic chemistry book in my house today! It's called Organic Chemistry A Short Course by Hart Craine Hart Ninth Edition. I was even more excited when I saw Organic because I have been getting alot more interested in LSD and it would really help me understand some of the chemistry behind it.
Not sure how to go about this but I was just planning on starting in chapter 1 and just teaching myself through it.
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Found an organic chem book! Wants to make LSD.
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hey, gotta start somewhere!
I benefit from perusing h.s. textbooks. They seem to be more readable, and easier to digest. I mean if you're just getting started and 'warming-up' for a real class.
Also, have you checked out psychopharmachology? I got a textbook on that. Very interesting...
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It wouldn't hurt to retake some of those courses.
Chemistry means the world to me now. I have lots of fun with it and I soak up information like it's nothing, and I only crave more.
Six years ago, however, I would not be saying this. I hated school back then. But my attitude has changed since then.
Actually wanting to learn something makes a world of difference.
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: koods]
#22236925 - 09/14/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Found an organic chem book! Wants to make LSD. 
He'll be surprised at how easy it is to make and how easy it is to get caught
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#22236946 - 09/14/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha no I'm legitimately interested in chemistry. I'd really like to study in it college maybe something pharmaceutical
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There's lots of different types of jobs you can pursue with a degree in chemistry. Get a masters at the very minimum if you want the really good ones.
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#22237049 - 09/14/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My grandfather was a chemical engineer and I think he worked for a few companies that made detergent
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What would you start with organic chemistry? Get the basics first.
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] 2
#22237060 - 09/14/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ONE OZ SLUG said: There's lots of different types of jobs you can pursue with a degree in chemistry. Get a masters at the very minimum if you want the really good ones.
Lol. Chemistry is a dead end career path.
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: koods]
#22237063 - 09/14/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can go to med school.
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ONE OZ SLUG said: There's lots of different types of jobs you can pursue with a degree in chemistry. Get a masters at the very minimum if you want the really good ones.
Lol. Chemistry is a dead end career path.
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: Little backstory I took chemistry a couple years ago and barely passed, didn't try to learn cause I never thought I'd use it but since I've joined shroomery I've regretted doing that cause I'm really interested in it and am thinking about trying it in college. Problem is I would go into it knowing nothing. But I found an organic chemistry book in my house today! It's called Organic Chemistry A Short Course by Hart Craine Hart Ninth Edition. I was even more excited when I saw Organic because I have been getting alot more interested in LSD and it would really help me understand some of the chemistry behind it.
Not sure how to go about this but I was just planning on starting in chapter 1 and just teaching myself through it.
As someone who's completed general and organic chem sets, you're not really going to understand shit in organic without taking general first. Valence and bonding are crucial to understand carbon skeleton structures and other basic Ocher principles
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: My grandfather was a chemical engineer and I think he worked for a few companies that made detergent
My dad sold a detergent-related patent to Bayer back in the day.
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: The Moose]
#22237075 - 09/14/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Moose said: You can go to med school.
Yes. That isn't a career in chemistry though, is it?
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: The Moose]
#22237080 - 09/14/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is all I have and I'm gonna try to teach myself it first and if I like it and want to keep on then I'll get another book
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: koods]
#22237082 - 09/14/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are plenty of positions in research and development for companies like Kaiser pemanente, J&J and a fuck ton of other pharmaceutical companies
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Kaiser permanente? The hmo?
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: koods] 1
#22237104 - 09/14/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Almost every cleaning, feul, lawns, pest control, and tons of other companies need chemical scientists I'm sure
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Alexander Shulgin worked for Dow Chemical and even patented his own pesticide that's still in use today.
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: Little backstory I took chemistry a couple years ago and barely passed, didn't try to learn cause I never thought I'd use it but since I've joined shroomery I've regretted doing that cause I'm really interested in it and am thinking about trying it in college. Problem is I would go into it knowing nothing. But I found an organic chemistry book in my house today! It's called Organic Chemistry A Short Course by Hart Craine Hart Ninth Edition. I was even more excited when I saw Organic because I have been getting alot more interested in LSD and it would really help me understand some of the chemistry behind it.
Not sure how to go about this but I was just planning on starting in chapter 1 and just teaching myself through it.
Go to https:/www.wdrestored.com
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#22237200 - 09/14/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My dad has the patent for the contraceptive sponge. That was a different era. The 50s-70s chemists were in high demand. Those days are over.
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: koods] 1
#22237207 - 09/14/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most people that think they want a degree in chemistry actually want a degree in chemical engineering.
I worked at a Subway a few years ago an the assistant manager had a degree in chemistry.
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: koods]
#22237213 - 09/14/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Depends if you mean a degree in chemistry or a job in chemistry, which could be hundreds of various things anyway.
For somebody in a dead end career path you sure are more likely to be the one to cure cancer (or whatever else).
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: The Moose]
#22237338 - 09/14/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just started organic chemistry a few weeks ago and you really need to have an understanding of general chemistry before hand or you will be lost. www.khanacademy.com has a decent section dedicated to chemistry. If you have the discipline to read the entire textbook several times relearn precalculus/algebra, and do all the problems you can learn the same thing at home. Personally I never did.
Also chemistry isn't a dead end career path, it's just probably not going to bring in very much money unless you major in chemical engineering. People are outsourcing a lot of those jobs unfortunately.
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: fapjack]
#22237369 - 09/14/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I met with a very old chemical engineer who is a professor at Vanderbilt a few weeks ago and he said the highest paying in demand job for chemical engineers is the petroleum and feul companies.
I didn't think about khan academy. Maybe I'll start on it this week. Algebra isn't something I need to relearn I'm taking college algebra and trig rn. As for precal that I have never taken.
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That's definitely something I'm going to consider. There's tons of chemical engineering jobs in TX, Houston and Beaumont in particular from what I hear. I'd like to try maybe working for a pharmaceutical company but if it doesn't pay the bills, I'm going to Houston
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: koods]
#22237745 - 09/14/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ONE OZ SLUG said: There's lots of different types of jobs you can pursue with a degree in chemistry. Get a masters at the very minimum if you want the really good ones.
Lol. Chemistry is a dead end career path.
Doesn't that depend what you apply it to?
That's like if I said IT was a dead end career path, that no one gives a shit if you swapped hard drives at Best Buy. But I know some people who have been in IT twenty years and are making 75k a year.
There are several different courses to study chemistry under aren't there? Organic chemistry. Inorganic chemistry. Analytical chemistry. Physical chemistry etc.
None of them lead anywhere? I myself wouldn't get a degree in that field and try to pursue it simply because I don't have a natural affinity for it. Meaning, I don't see myself as someone that would be good enough at it to pursue it.
Did you study it yourself and apply yourself also?
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: koods]
#22237780 - 09/14/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: My dad has the patent for the contraceptive sponge. That was a different era. The 50s-70s chemists were in high demand. Those days are over.
You mean he still holds the patent? Or he got screwed on the patent? How does one patent the contraceptive sponge anyway? Obviously the sponge itself cannot be patented otherwise every time someone made a sponge they'd get the shit sued out of them.
You are saying he patented the spermacidal chemical that is put on the sponge? Shouldn't he be a multi millionaire 30 times over then just owning a small percentage of that patent even?
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: imachavel]
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He invented the process for making the actual foam. The patent is in his name but assigned to the company he worked for. That's what happens when you are an employee.
The brand name of the foam he invented is Hypol (hydrophilic polyurethane)
Ugh. Looking into it, his patent is probably worth hundreds of millions of dollars or more - to the company he worked for and now to Dow who currently owns it.
http://www.dow.com/pusystems/product/hypol.htm
The stuff is pretty cool. It's a syrupy liquid that you mix with water and it turns into a foam and sets in about 30 minutes.
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: koods]
#22240762 - 09/15/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did your dad get a kick out of the Seinfeld episode where they discontinued the contraceptive sponge?
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Re: Organic Chemistry bitchez [Re: fapjack]
#22243141 - 09/15/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did the first set of lessons of chemistry on khan academy last night and I liked it a lot. For the first time I finally understand protons, neutrons, atomic weight/mass and most of all mole.
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It makes a difference when you actually want to learn the material.
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: I did the first set of lessons of chemistry on khan academy last night and I liked it a lot. For the first time I finally understand protons, neutrons, atomic weight/mass and most of all mole.
Get a textbook off of kickasstorrents and do all the odd problems after each chapter. Chemistry The Central Science is a pretty good gen chem book. You won't absorb shit if you don't do all the problems, trust me. Do them until they make sense, then download some quizs on each chapter. You can find them online, colleges put old tests up. Learn to do the math problems from the bottom up, relearn algebra, trig, do precalc on khan academy. There math section of the site is a lot better than their chemistry section. It should take you a few months to get through it, if it takes less time you are doing it wrong. I did chemistry 2 over the summer and it was 6 weeks of non-stop studying for only half the course for an example of how long it should take when you are reading the content everyday. Math is essential to chemistry, if you aren't comfortable with algebra, logarithms you will run in to issues. It's really interesting, but you need to get past a lot of not so interesting stuff to have a basic understanding of it. Just stick with it!
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