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Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch?
    #22236824 - 09/14/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have what I'm pretty sure are T. Pachanoi and T. Peruvianus here, just wanted to double check with some of the pros on here. I'm just a little concerned that the San Pedro might actually be "pachanot" and the torch might be T. huanucoensis. Also, if they are these off-shoots, are they still active?

Since the images are quite large, I made an imgur album of the cacti here:
http://imgur.com/a/PNZAi

Thank you so much for the help!


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Re: Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch? [Re: bearishparrot]
    #22237118 - 09/14/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cactus 1 I'd call Peruvianus or Macrogonus VERY BEAUTIFUL
Cactus 2 I'd say Non-PC Pachanoi
Cactus 3 I'd say the common pachanot

They are all active now you would just need to work out the amounts you need.


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Re: Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #22237384 - 09/14/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Alright awesome. I've heard the pachanot has significantly reduced levels of alkaloids, any thoughts? And yes, that first guy is really gorgeous, with beautiful blue skin. Thanks for the reply.


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Re: Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #22238038 - 09/14/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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modern.shaman said: VERY BEAUTIFUL





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Re: Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch? [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22240185 - 09/15/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As far as how (active) those kinds are. My advise is, read other posts and do some more research. You will find conflicting information from people who have done both compound chemical analysis, as well as information from shaman and lay-people who will tell you about experiences that they have had.

There is something with plants and mushrooms, and toxicity, that my father used to tell me. (He was vice president of a mycological club for some years, and also a paramedic for 30+ years in an area where mushroom poisoning occurs).

I am going to paraphrase what my dad has said: 'From year to year the "strength" of mushroom toxins can vary. even in one location. So say you have a patch of psilocybes, and you know they are there. and you pick them and trip off them. due to the growing conditions of the year, and the substrates that are digested etc. . the Strength of the active compounds can vary.

The same can be said of plants and cacti. Ok, So we know that a certain kind of cacti is active. are there things we can do to Up, the alkaloid content? Sure.

My response to that is, give the plant what it wants to feed on and digest, to process and metabolize the alkaline stone bits in soil. Akaloids such as (mescaline etc), come from an alkaline base. which to us as growers would be stones that are alkaline. I purchase Limestone.. . and add it to my soil matrix. I swear by it. I really do. I know that it will not only help my plants make alkaloids, but the calcium in the stone matrix, also helps the plant, build structural support.

Just take what you read from other people with regard to (strength) of a species of cacti, with a grain of salt.  Some will say one species is (in general), stronger than another.. but there can be factors such as sunlight and alkaline substrate absorption that need to be taken into account. 

hope that helps.


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Re: Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch? [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22240516 - 09/15/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, great reply. What you're saying about limestone makes a lot of sense, I'm definitely going to try that. And as far as varying potency goes, I knew there was always confusion and hearsay that went into the different 'stats' people cite. Your post helped put me at ease as far as 'finding the best cacti' however. One more question, I've heard that cacti like slightly acidic soul. Would the limestone affect the soul negatively? Thanks!


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Re: Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch? [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22241786 - 09/15/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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kizatzhaddarak said:
My response to that is, give the plant what it wants to feed on and digest, to process and metabolize the alkaline stone bits in soil. Akaloids such as (mescaline etc), come from an alkaline base. which to us as growers would be stones that are alkaline. I purchase Limestone.. . and add it to my soil matrix. I swear by it. I really do. I know that it will not only help my plants make alkaloids, but the calcium in the stone matrix, also helps the plant, build structural support.






Not at all questioning your statement here, I'm just asking. But have you consumed any of yours and experienced an increased alkaloid strength/profile? Or is this something you do because it may help them produce more alks?


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Re: Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch? [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22241891 - 09/15/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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One more question, I've heard that cacti like slightly acidic soul. Would the limestone affect the soul negatively? Thanks!




Well.. I can say, that in my area.. I get heavy rainfall... and in outdoor containers, that have sat for a few years they loose alkalinity, and become more acid over time. People in my region often have to sweeten garden soil with alkaline-lime for certain vegetables. Some ferts contain Uric acids and other acidic compounds. Natural Limestone, wouldn't affect the PH of the soil too much.  not as much as industrial agricultural lime would. it is easier and more gentle. You can Always PH-test your soils if worried. I know some people get VERY scientific with their grows. In general I do not worry too much until I have a plant that looks sick, and trouble shoot it. I know that MOST of my kinds of cacti benefit from a sandy loamy (and my addition, limestone soil). None of my cacti have suffered from adding limestone, but then again I haven't tried it with my Epiphytes like my Wittia, or Epiphyllums.

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. . have you consumed any of yours and experienced an increased alkaloid strength/profile? Or is this something you do because it may help them produce more alks?




I have some friends who have grown cacti, longer than I have, who have suggested I try this, CowsRmeat. I have not Bio-assayed to try this myself yet, to notice a difference. I am going to wait till next year to Bio-assay and see. Now, I have tried with just regular soils and, (  :crazy2:  :mushroom2: ) is my response..LOL. I can only imagine the experience will be similar or better. Time will tell.

I can say, that the limestone has helped my cacti grow beefier (bulk up), I have noticed that difference. They obviously enjoy the soil addition.


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Re: Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch? [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22242766 - 09/15/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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kizatzhaddarak said:I know some people get VERY scientific with their grows. In general I do not worry too much until I have a plant that looks sick, and trouble shoot it.



I hear ya there. I don't really have the time or the motivation to test alkalinity or anything like that with my soils. If there's a problem, yeah then its time to start trying to figure it out.




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kizatzhaddarak said:
I can say, that the limestone has helped my cacti grow beefier (bulk up), I have noticed that difference. They obviously enjoy the soil addition.




Well hey, even if it doesn't actually boost alkaloid levels, the extra mass there counts for something. Extra mass is extra material to munch on...


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Re: Would you help me verify I've got some San Pedro and Peruvian Torch? [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22242937 - 09/15/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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One more question, I've heard that cacti like slightly acidic soul. Would the limestone affect the soul negatively? Thanks!




Well.. I can say, that in my area.. I get heavy rainfall... and in outdoor containers, that have sat for a few years they loose alkalinity, and become more acid over time. People in my region often have to sweeten garden soil with alkaline-lime for certain vegetables. Some ferts contain Uric acids and other acidic compounds. Natural Limestone, wouldn't affect the PH of the soil too much.  not as much as industrial agricultural lime would. it is easier and more gentle. You can Always PH-test your soils if worried. I know some people get VERY scientific with their grows. In general I do not worry too much until I have a plant that looks sick, and trouble shoot it. I know that MOST of my kinds of cacti benefit from a sandy loamy (and my addition, limestone soil). None of my cacti have suffered from adding limestone, but then again I haven't tried it with my Epiphytes like my Wittia, or Epiphyllums.

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. . have you consumed any of yours and experienced an increased alkaloid strength/profile? Or is this something you do because it may help them produce more alks?




I have some friends who have grown cacti, longer than I have, who have suggested I try this, CowsRmeat. I have not Bio-assayed to try this myself yet, to notice a difference. I am going to wait till next year to Bio-assay and see. Now, I have tried with just regular soils and, (  :crazy2:  :mushroom2: ) is my response..LOL. I can only imagine the experience will be similar or better. Time will tell.

I can say, that the limestone has helped my cacti grow beefier (bulk up), I have noticed that difference. They obviously enjoy the soil addition.




Awesome, thanks for dropping some knowledge on me kizatzhaddarak.


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