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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: kakashi68]
#22246660 - 09/16/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've dabbled with various opioids (oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, & H a few times.....) occasionally for 7 years or so now...I have never fallen into what I'd consider addiction or any prolonged regular use, I've only had one stretch of regular use a few years ago (30 days or so of almost daily use, around 10mg to 15mg of OC up the nose).
I never had any regular dosing/use with them besides that one time....Sometimes I'd put the stuff up my nose a few times a week, then I'd go many weeks or a month or so before touching any opiate again...other times I'd touch em' once or twice a week for a month or two, then go another few weeks/month with out touching them again. When ever I took em' I wasn't trying to get on the nod (though I certainly have before), just liked to catch a nice buzz from time to time, they make me much more social and get me out of my head. The main reasons I was using them, besides enjoying the euphoria, was they made me social and interactive with people. When going to a friends party or a social event, I'd take 10mg of oxy or a hydro instead of drinking alcohol .
I've always been super sensitive to opiates too, even a mere 5mg of hydrocodone will make me feel real nice...and even after that one stretch of regular use I did have, around 10mg of OC would still get me high even after using almost daily for almost a month..... I never increased my dose/intake because of tolerance, because I knew what it was that I was fucking with.
Knowing what it was I was dabbling with....I know that falling into addiction is entirely my choice and in my control....and I've witnessed a couple friends lose their grip on the slippery slope that is opioid use, while I maintained my grip/moderation (they don't have a problem with the stuff these days).
I enjoy opioids from time to time but I certainly do not "appreciate" opiates like I do with something like cannabis .....I don't glorify or put opioids in a positive light, but I don't demonize them either...I look at them in a neutral way, in the same way as I look at all drugs....When you bring a person into the equation, they're relationship with the drug and why they're using it, and how much control they have over their urges to chase a high...that's when "bad" things may result. But the drug itself isn't inherently a "bad" or evil thing.
Personally...I just like to get high on them from time to time, but I know addiction and w/d from them is absolutely no joke, so I don't let myself fall into any regular use and don't increase my intake of anything when I notice tolerance increasing. Someone that's purely looking for an escape, someone that wants to dose high enough to nod and chase that nod every time, someone that's naive and may lack knowledge of how shitty the w/d is and how fierce of a grip opioids can get on them.....that'll be a different story.
I'm the same way with cigarettes....I've been an occasional smoker for years, never felt addicted and never have any cravings for them . Packs can sit on my dresser for weeks without being touched, then one weekend I might smoke the entire pack while out at a festival or something....then go another week or two before lighting another one up.
I took 5mg of oxycodone a couple weeks ago, can't remember the last time I touched any opiate before then...it's really just a few times a year for me at this point.
....just my 2 cents, though I know I've dropped this same 2 cents around here before .
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: Alexestalex]
#22246838 - 09/16/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: opiates are boring af imo. i mean i love oxy but things like codeine, kratom, etc just suck.
i love love LOVE LOVE uppers though
Look out, amphetamines are very addictive also.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22247049 - 09/16/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Opiates can be great and some of them feel really good but it's only in small dosages do I like the effects. I think they really only produce the proper amount of euphoria if you do them once every 3-4 weeks max. Some of them aren't very euphoric at all but the ones that are couldn't be further from boring. Especially if you mix in some weed.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: danielx]
#22247067 - 09/16/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apostle said: Opiates are like my favorite ex gf
Kratom is like the whore i fuck while im thinking of her.
god damn truth right there.
Thanks guys, Was thinking of ordering Some kratom but you changed my mind. I LOVE my every year 2 month opium binge. And thought that Some kratom after that would be nice. But fuck it after your comments....it's allready been three days coldturkey and been able to work so fuck it..
And for all you young psyconauts be aware of the addictivity&toxitivity of opiats. IT CAN BE REALLY ROUGH ROAD
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Just gotta say Tramadol is in my opinion the best quality of high opiates have to offer.
I realize that its also one of the weakest, but if you take enough its basically a high all its own. Its an opiate and a SNRI.
To me it feels like im rolling except my body feels like opiates instead of speed. Just be careful with it because over 400mg in a day greatly increases your chances for having a seizure. And don't take it more than 1 day in a row recreationally because the fun goes away really quickly and you are left feeling like an emotional bitch.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: PanzerCubed]
#22247085 - 09/16/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PanzerCubed said: I love all opiates. 
Pusheen cat plz
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: kakashi68]
#22247096 - 09/16/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said: .... as far as I know most people that take opiates experience serious trauma :/ Mental trauma is almost always worse than physical trauma. The amount of stories ive heard from junkies is sickening. The amount of child abuse, sexual, rape, violence, loneliness, rejection, pain is crazy. NO ONE turns and does heroin because "it sounds fun" People do it because of pain, that is all.
plz find me an opiate thread where you havent complained.
I totally agree that people turn to heroin because they lack coping mechanisms, but there is a reason that opiates are not prescribed for this. Another way of looking at this is that these people are emotionally compromised, and the way to fix that isn't to cover up the problem for a couple hours, it is to learn healthy coping mechanisms, which is something some people fail to do at a young age for whatever reason.
As long as we're clear that you guys aren't just using opiates because it is a super fun time and nobody here is going to suffer because we are aware of the dangers and going to be super careful.
I can guarantee that at least some of the people here are going to suffer greatly because of opiates. Maybe you will be the one who never really is in a position where you're vulnerable and have access to opiates, great, good for you. When you look back and realize that you had this attitude about something that kills people so regularly, and leaves the rest wasting their life in a very pathetic cycle of self-loathing and self-abuse, you would be a fool not to regret it. You'd be much better off just learning to cope naturally like so many people throughout the course of human history have done.
I think some people get the idea that it is a character building experience, dealing with addiction. That might be true to some extent in the same way being way into auto-erotic asphyxiation is a character building experience. You'll probably learn alot about yourself and the fine line between indulging yourself and dangerous self-abuse, but if you go around telling people that is one of your favorite things the majority are going to look down on you as if you have some sort of person problem, even if you just do it every once in a while, and don't hold the belt on that tight. You might think that everyone else is judgmental and doesn't get it, and that probably makes you want to choke-wank even harder to spite them, but you're the one with the problem. We all have to deal with our own problems, and taking opiates is not a way to solve problems, it is a way to convince yourself that you've solved problems when you actually haven't.
Also like I said earlier, if you want to take this to ODD I don't go even look there, and I'm sure they have opiate threads. You actually think I'm in every single one? Obviously I've made some sort of impression I understand your anger I felt the same way about people that doubted me when I was deluding myself into thinking that I was the one who would make it work. I would be remiss if I did not point out the obvious follies in appreciating opiates as a "recreational" drug.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: trvptamine]
#22247099 - 09/16/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The buzz I get from kratom is 10x better than Tramadol. My dog gets a rx for Tramadol for her arthritis. I tried one of them one time and the buzz literally sucked for me.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: trvptamine]
#22247102 - 09/16/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought tramadol wasn't actually an opiate. Just that it worked off the opiate receptors like kratom does. I could be wrong though, I don't really care for tramadol.
But I agree with the person who said they do the "once in a blue moon" thing. Opiates are kind of a shitty thing to get a high tolerance to cuz the next thing you know you get into a car accident and the steering wheel gets lodged into your chest cavity and there's nothing the hospital can do to numb your pain cept put you in a coma.
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Youre actually correct. It isn't an "opiate" but it is a "synthetic opioid". Which are basically the same thing. Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid like tramadol but without the fun serotonin and norepinephrine effects added like tram.
@daytripper05 you kinda gotta up the dose with tramadol. Its opiate effects are weaker than codeine. The buzz is much more blissful at an equivilant dose though than other opiates in my opinion. That's just my opinion though.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: trvptamine]
#22247173 - 09/16/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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NO THEY ARE NOT! IMHO OPIATS AND SYNTHETIC OPIODS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS...JUST MY 2 CENTS AFTER YERAS OF USE. IF YOU MUST USE CHOOSE NATURE!
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I get where youre coming from man. But natural opiates are almost BS in my opinion. Ive always had a hard time getting high on Codeine or Morphine, whereas semi-synthetics like hydrocodone, oxy, and H always got me high as balls until I built the mega tolerance I have today.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: trvptamine] 1
#22247244 - 09/16/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm guessing that was down to the relative dosage. Codiene has some natural limitations since it causes alot of side effects from histamines and even can cause seizures if the dose is too high, but morphine is the classic "full spectrum" opiate, and heroin is the same exact thing as morphine only it is much quicker at getting into the brain. An acetylized morphine molecule (heroin) can pass freely through the blood brain barrier, but then it is immediately metabolized into morphine after that.
Hydrocodone, oxycodone, and fentanyl are known to have a more selective action in what receptors they hit. Some people like this because they get less side effects, but in terms of getting high opiates are opioids that happen to be found in opium. They're all more or less the same. That's why people who think sticking to pharm drugs is a good way not to get addicted are really kidding themselves, as are people who think that "natural" opiates are superior.
I mean you could synthesize morphine, it would still be morphine.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: trvptamine]
#22247256 - 09/16/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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trvptamine said: Just gotta say Tramadol is in my opinion the best quality of high opiates have to offer.
I realize that its also one of the weakest, but if you take enough its basically a high all its own. Its an opiate and a SNRI.
To me it feels like im rolling except my body feels like opiates instead of speed. Just be careful with it because over 400mg in a day greatly increases your chances for having a seizure. And don't take it more than 1 day in a row recreationally because the fun goes away really quickly and you are left feeling like an emotional bitch.
Be careful, tolerance kills the high on those. I used to get off on 150mg, then i took 400mg once and loved it... Then i started taking 10-12 at a time, 14 once. Started mixing them with lyrica, and then they sucked without it.
Im so fucking lucky i didnt have a seizure. 150mg used to make me feel SO good. It wasnt even a normal opiate high, it was this nice strange tweaky good feeling in my lower back and head, covered in some euphoria. I mean i liked em better then oxy. Now they do jack shit for me.
God i miss the opiate high, it feel good now but nothing like it used to. Especially the tramadol. I took 150mg nucynta once in my tramadol days and it blew me away. Took em for 5 or 6 days in a row. I remember when hydrocodone used to make everything warm and itchy and wobbily. That feeling. I need to shut up, tolerance is a bitch.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22247266 - 09/16/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dont even get me started on the first time i did oxy. I was on xbox playing battlefield or some war game and i started messaging random people to tell them the state of bliss i was in. No more. Even if i near take a fatal dose it doesnt feel that good anymore.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22247272 - 09/16/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Never shot heroin, maybe that would feel like it used to... One day in the future i shall find out
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22247273 - 09/16/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I already know man. The only reason I can feel anything from tramadol anymore is because I basically stopped taking opiates all together after I ODd on H last year.
And yeah I never take more than 400mg because I don't want to have a seizure but any less than 400mg and I don't really feel anything except maybe some visual enhancement and stimulation from the SNRI side of it.
Be careful with banging H though man if you do end up trying it. Its really easy to use too much. And the second "too much" hits you its like you cant see or hear or think or speak or anything.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: trvptamine] 1
#22247278 - 09/16/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wish tramadol still got me high. It had a different feeling from any other opiate i have ever taken.
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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22247284 - 09/16/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Plus it lasted like 15 hours
The only thing i could compare it to would be tussionex. But i havent done tussionex since my tolerance sky rocketed, so i doubt it would even get me high anymore.
I think the difference is now, opiates make me feel good. They used to make me FUCKED UP haha.
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Hydrocodone, oxycodone, and fentanyl are known to have a more selective action in what receptors they hit. Some people like this because they get less side effects, but in terms of getting high opiates are opioids that happen to be found in opium. They're all more or less the same. That's why people who think sticking to pharm drugs is a good way not to get addicted are really kidding themselves, as are people who think that "natural" opiates are superior.
I mean you could synthesize morphine, it would still be morphine.
Yep you can synth morphine...agree on that. But try To do a synth with full spcetrum of alkaloids found on poppies. Enyway poppy Tea or opium gives me much nicer high filled with energia compared To pharmas.
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