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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22239329 - 09/15/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That's the critical thing, I'm glad you mentioned it. I'm not "taking up" opiates. I have no schedule and no weekly amount or plan for them. I simply do some, stash the rest away for awhile, and then revisit when I feel as though I've earned myself a break.

I'm not special or a freak of nature I'm just happy in life and not using drugs to make up for anything or fill some void. A lot of people can't do it, but I know a handful of people like myself that do.

I hate the fact that everyone says it's impossible to do this. I think that very statement makes it easier for others to fail.





Said every addict ever.

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Yeah I think the root of the addiction is that wanting to make it work.  Once you're expending any willpower at all, it's got you.  Maybe some part of you even knows that you're fucking up, but when you're young there is a part of you that is like "it's worth it now, and I will just be extra-tough later" but that is bullshit.  Complete and utter bullshit.

I knew a couple people here and there who casually used opiates here and there, but most of these people I feel never got to the point where they were familiar with different classes of drugs enough to appreciate them.  They're the type of people that don't obsess over drugs.  I think when other people start dropping like flies most of these people changed their attitude regarding opiates, because these are people who use drugs legitimately for recreation and fun, and the truth is opiates aren't especially fun compared to other drugs.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22239384 - 09/15/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

opiates are fucking awesome. i use a strategy called "do it once, don't do it for a long fucking time."
this leads to it being a completely positive experience every time.

i argued with people in a thread a year or two ago about how there's literally no chance of addiction using that method.
lots of people disagreed. but they're wrong, cuz i've held true to my method and i'm still good.

hell i'm more addicted to weed than anything else, the supposedly "non-addictive" drug lol...it's actually the only drug i've ever been psychologically dependent on at any point in my life. the fact that it's supposedly benign makes it easier to abuse than something harder like opiates, personally.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: resonant111]
    #22239472 - 09/15/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There's no chance of developing a physical dependence you mean.  Addiction is a kinda amorphous thing, and it's possible that you're like that, but you're eventually going to have more and more tension in your brain the more you do them.  That's how brains work.  When you're doing something that you're convinced feels fucking awesome in any sort of repetitive manner, you get addicted to that thing.

If you can be addicted to weed and have problems controlling your use there, it is stupid to think you'll be fine with opiates.  Do as you will but at some point you're going to have to make a hard choice to continue or stop, and the catch is that is always a hell of a lot harder than you think.

Here is something someone who is not addicted to opiates might say:

"I have done opiates but I don't see what all the fuss was about."
"If I never did another opiate it would be fine with me"
"I don't care about opiates"

Just because you're not sick yet doesn't mean you're not an addict.  You're just not hooked yet is the difference.  Enjoy it while it lasts.  It's not a road you can just get off of at the end, and you just never know when you're crossing that line.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22239546 - 09/15/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

well with weed i pretty much did it all the time because i thought it was harmless, not necessarily because i lacked self-control. in time, i realized that doing it all the time was not good for me.

something like opiates, i will always have self-control because i know the addiction potential is so much higher. that's why it's so easy for me to do it 1x and wait 6 months before doing it again. a drug that demands respect, gets respect from me. at this point i respect all drugs as powerful and potentially addictive though, even weed.

i now have a "less is more" approach with pretty much all substances. and it works. i do certain drugs once in a blue moon and have zero dependency on any of them.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: resonant111]
    #22239558 - 09/15/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i will always have self-control




:smirk: Yeah best of luck with that, really.  I think that is complete BS tho.  I don't see why someone with perfect self control would even need opiates.  If I didn't have problems controlling my emotions I think I would just be happy meditating and shit.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: moonrockmushy] * 2
    #22240048 - 09/15/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Opiates are easier to quit than most people think.  Don't get me wrong they will turn many into addicts.  But to say that most people who try opiates or occasionally dabble will turn onto a full blown addict is idiotic.  Just because you and your junkie friends can't handle their shit doesn't mean that alot of people can grow up and stop using.  A big reason people think one use is a death sentence is because all you hear about them is the horror stories.  You don't hear the success stories because their is no story.  "Ya man I used opiates about once a week for a couple years in my early 30s" COOL STORY BRO.  Now the withdrawal and having no money and fiending for opiates and stealing and doing sexual favors for h.  Now those are stories.

To say someone can't use responsible is down right stupid and ignorant.  Most people who have broke a leg and used 40 mg of oxy a day for a few months don't get addicted.

I'm not saying that it's not easy to get addicted because it is, especially if you have had traumatic issues in your past, or present, or had a bad childhoods, or whatever.  But most people I know have dabbled and even got pretty heavy into opiates. 90 percent of them are clean now with hardly any issues stopping.  They just grew up and realized they aren't kids anymore and have responsibilities. Kids/jobs/money problems etc.

There are millions of afficts.  And yes its probably better to stop while you're ahead before you could possibly be addicted.  But also there are millions of people who have used opiates stopped and never thought twice about it.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22240062 - 09/15/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if you snort battery acid it will get you way higher then heroin


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22240083 - 09/15/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know... I was excited to try 180mgs of codeine but really got no euphoria, didn't find it to be that enjoyable and had minor nausea at one point. I guess they're not made for me which is probably a good thing.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: Hemuli]
    #22240214 - 09/15/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know... I was excited to try 180mgs of codeine but really got no euphoria, didn't find it to be that enjoyable and had minor nausea at one point. I guess they're not made for me which is probably a good thing.



Its definitely a good thing :lol:

Once you have felt the opiate high, you cant unfeel it


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: Hemuli]
    #22240222 - 09/15/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I love all opiates. :tee:








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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22241732 - 09/15/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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To say someone can't use responsible is down right stupid and ignorant.  Most people who have broke a leg and used 40 mg of oxy a day for a few months don't get addicted.




Hey I never said anything like this.  I think my main point is that such people don't make a point to go on the internet to make "opiate appreciation threads" or really be into opiates enough to have strong feelings about them one way or another.

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"Ya man I used opiates about once a week for a couple years in my early 30s" COOL STORY BRO.  Now the withdrawal and having no money and fiending for opiates and stealing and doing sexual favors for h.  Now those are stories.




I don't know who you're talking about here, but it's clear to me that you are an opiate romanticist, which again fits my profile of Jr. Junkie who thinks they're mentally tougher than they actually are, the exception to the rule.  The opiates aren't the danger as much as that overconfident attitude is. 

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Opiates are easier to quit than most people think.




Fucking retarded.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: PanzerCubed]
    #22241830 - 09/15/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I love all opiates. :tee:











Nice stash. The lyricas are a nice addition, love those things.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22242957 - 09/15/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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To say someone can't use responsible is down right stupid and ignorant.  Most people who have broke a leg and used 40 mg of oxy a day for a few months don't get addicted.




Hey I never said anything like this.  I think my main point is that such people don't make a point to go on the internet to make "opiate appreciation threads" or really be into opiates enough to have strong feelings about them one way or another.

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"Ya man I used opiates about once a week for a couple years in my early 30s" COOL STORY BRO.  Now the withdrawal and having no money and fiending for opiates and stealing and doing sexual favors for h.  Now those are stories.




I don't know who you're talking about here, but it's clear to me that you are an opiate romanticist, which again fits my profile of Jr. Junkie who thinks they're mentally tougher than they actually are, the exception to the rule.  The opiates aren't the danger as much as that overconfident attitude is. 

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Opiates are easier to quit than most people think.




Fucking retarded.





Don't be mad man. Everybody is wrong every once in awhile.

I haven't used in over 2 and a half years.  Just stopped because I wanted too.  Had no problems quitting, no withdrawal, just stopped.  Also my post wasn't directed at anyone in particular.  In the words of mr. Barthalmu Simpson don't have a cow man. I know it's fun to play forum daddy but most people don't want to hear it.  I'm sure people that use are well informed on the potential addiction problems that accompany opiate use.  And lots of people quit quite easily.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: DTCharlieB] * 1
    #22242988 - 09/15/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not mad, I just resent people who seek to revere opiates.  People always say that the problem is just the people who become addicted to them, and that is why they are illegal, but in my opinion the problem is people who seek to glorify drugs, which was drug companies to start, and is often taken up by immature people who say things like "if opiates were legalized tommorow I would def be an addict" and "I will never get addicted because I don't take them that often"

You think many people want to see an "opiate appreciation thread" run by a bunch of naive and overconfident kids?  In the words of some asshole



You're clearly not aware, and I doubt anything will change that, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let anyone else be influenced on the subject of opiates by kids who think that the addictive potential is overblown.

I can't think of many things that are harder to stop than opiates, and some people have the good sense to realize that and not obsess over them.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22243012 - 09/15/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not mad, just resentful?
I think the point is that the dangers of opiate addiction are shoved in our face by the media and word of mouth, what youre saying isn't eye opening.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22243017 - 09/15/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I love opiates especially pills. Went through a fair share in my younger days but my use died down when my sources eventually went dry and I wasn't willing to dabble in H. I knew if I ever touched it, I would be in love.

I've never known someone who could effectively manage their heroin habit. Lost a few buddies to it.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: Detached] * 2
    #22243073 - 09/15/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Opiates are great, just excersize prudent self control, and don't be another statistic.

Those who fear the drugs are really displaying a lack of faith in themselves and their self control.


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22243078 - 09/15/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Not mad, just resentful?
I think the point is that the dangers of opiate addiction are shoved in our face by the media and word of mouth, what youre saying isn't eye opening.




Oh so you just want to have your little corner of the internet where you can glorify opiates without acknowledging the reality that they are widely known to ruin lives, many people have lost friends to them, and lies like "Opiates are easier to quit than most people think." persist exclusively among people who have limited experience with opiates.

Fuck that.  You're admitting that I'm right, yet somehow you have a problem with what I'm saying?


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Re: Opiate appreciation thread? [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22243087 - 09/15/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Get the fuck out of the thread if it irks you so bad :shrug:
You're belaboring the point and it's a played argument to begin with: we've all heard it.

You're not going to change anyone's mind, what is your goal?

I've got nothing against you but I find your entire plight here confusing. You trying to convince yourself they're bad? Because I don't think anyone in the opiate appreciation thread wants to hear it :lol:


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    #22243099 - 09/15/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Put me on ignore if my pointing out that only a fool would glorify opiates bothers you.

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