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    #22234958 - 09/13/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"Vengeance on a dumb brute!" cried Starbuck, "that simply smote thee from blindest instinct! Madness! To be enraged with a dumb thing, Captain Ahab, seems blasphemous."

"Hark ye yet again – the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event – in the living act, the undoubted deed – there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there’s naught beyond. But ’tis enough. He tasks me; he heaps me; I see in him outrageous strength, with an inscrutable malice sinewing it. That inscrutable thing is chiefly what I hate; and be the white whale agent, or be the white whale principal, I will wreak that hate upon him. Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I’d strike the sun if it insulted me."

Seems to me like Ahab would consider the sun to be insulting him simply because he became burned by standing in it too long...


People will invent all these justifications for their insanity, such as "a whale intentionally harmed me so I must stalk it to the ends of the earth seeking revenge"

The whale could probably care less about Ahab, the whale probably did not even know that Ahab existed, yet in Ahab's mind there was some kind of epic battle going on in which an animal had intentionally wronged him.

I know so many people just like Ahab, letting their delusions become obsessions, inventing some sort of precieved wrong doing to pin on the whale just so he could act out his delusional perversions involving justice.


He speaks of fair play saying "could the sun insult me I would strike it from the sky", when in reality neither the sun nor whale could even care that he existed.

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22235041 - 09/13/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I know so many people just like Ahab, letting their delusions become obsessions, inventing some sort of precieved wrong doing to pin on the whale just so he could act out his delusional perversions involving justice.





Ah, yes! Those flawed people "out there".

If you want some PSP street cred, come clean about your white whale and I will about mine - and probably others will. Isn't that likely a more constructive discussion than finger pointing and judging?


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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22235052 - 09/13/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I know so many people just like Ahab, letting their delusions become obsessions, inventing some sort of precieved wrong doing to pin on the whale just so he could act out his delusional perversions involving justice.





Ah, yes! Those flawed people "out there".

If you want some PSP street cred, come clean about your white whale and I will about mine - and probably others will. Isn't that likely a more constructive discussion than finger pointing and judging?




Seriously I have no idea what your talking about.

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22235105 - 09/14/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Of course not, that is the beauty of ego delusion.

Please return to your regular attacking of the flaws of "them" as is the wont of a Perfected Being.


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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22235140 - 09/14/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Of course not, that is the beauty of ego delusion.

Please return to your regular attacking of the flaws of "them" as is the wont of a Perfected Being.




I seriously have no idea what your talking about.

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22235177 - 09/14/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Would you like to use a lifeline?


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Re: the white whale [Re: Sun King]
    #22235190 - 09/14/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I like Gummy Lifesavers. :skittles:

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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22235214 - 09/14/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The original post was inspired by moby dick, a Terence mckenna lecture and a situation with a family member, so I seriously have no idea what you are talking about...

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    #22235658 - 09/14/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22237462 - 09/14/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"From Hell's heart I stab at thee whale!"

A quote from Melville, as Ahab, caught in the lines issuing from the many harpoons and lances in Moby Dick, tries to kill the creature. The line was adopted by Khan in the film The Wrath of Khan (Moby Dick was one of the books Khan was left with while abandoned on the prison planet). The Ahab Complex is a syndrome which typifies hatred of God. The White Whale symbolizes Deity for Ahab, its nature merely appearing to be "an unreasoning mask." One finds this in the film Forrest Gump in Lieutenant Dan after he loses his legs and rants against God during a terrible storm at sea. But it is against God's Shadow, the biblical Leviathan, beast of the watery abyss that Ahab rails against. leviathan is the Hebrew name that surrounded the goat's head inside the inverted pentagram in Anton Szandor LaVey's symbol for The Church of Satan. He recognized this Beast as the dark side of God also.

This link, beginning on page 264 includes your quote from Melville but describes this battle of Ahab's using Jungian terminology. Earlier, there is mention of the 'Night sea Journey,'* another oft-used Jungian reference. More about striking the sun on page 271 ff. But understand that man's part in such cosmic drama is NOT insignificant, and the vision of a purely material indifferent universe needs to be left behind with 19th century, pre-quantum theory science. Increasingly, the human psyche is becoming recognized as a micro-center which affects space-time just as gravitationally strong bodies affects space time and bends light at a macro-level. We are also woven into the fabric of space-time, we are not outside of the fabric of space-time like earlier centuries of thought regarded us.

https://books.google.com/books?id=uHk9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA270&lpg=PA270&dq=ahab+complex+in+psychology&source=bl&ots=qiB9v-9_GY&sig=GISofbSM7AD1G2Esh69ydZ0b6vM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAmoVChMI39mDvcT3xwIVRKweCh34tQOA#v=onepage&q=ahab%20complex%20in%20psychology&f=false

* Night sea journey
"An archetypal motif in mythology, psychologically associated with depression and the loss of energy characteristic of neurosis.
The night sea journey is a kind of descensus ad inferos–a descent into Hades and a journey to the land of ghosts somewhere beyond this world, beyond consciousness, hence an immersion in the unconscious.["The Psychology of the Transference," CW 16, par. 455.]

Mythologically, the night sea journey motif usually involves being swallowed by a dragon or sea monster. It is also represented by imprisonment or crucifixion, dismemberment or abduction, experiences traditionally weathered by sun-gods and heroes: Gilgamesh, Osiris, Christ, Dante, Odysseus, Aeneas. In the language of the mystics it is the dark night of the soul.

Jung interpreted such legends symbolically, as illustrations of the regressive movement of energy in an outbreak of neurosis and its potential progression.

The hero is the symbolical exponent of the movement of libido. Entry into the dragon is the regressive direction, and the journey to the East (the “night sea journey”) with its attendant events symbolizes the effort to adapt to the conditions of the psychic inner world. The complete swallowing up and disappearance of the hero in the belly of the dragon represents the complete withdrawal of interest from the outer world. The overcoming of the monster from within is the achievement of adaptation to the conditions of the inner world, and the emergence (“slipping out”) of the hero from the monster’s belly with the help of a bird, which happens at the moment of sunrise, symbolizes the recommencement of progression.["On Psychic Energy," CW 8, par. 68.]

All the night sea journey myths derive from the perceived behavior of the sun, which, in Jung’s lyrical image, “sails over the sea like an immortal god who every evening is immersed in the maternal waters and is born anew in the morning.["Symbols of the Mother and of Rebirth,"CW 5, par. 306.] The sun going down, analogous to the loss of energy in a depression, is the necessary prelude to rebirth. Cleansed in the healing waters (the unconscious), the sun (ego-consciousness) lives again."http://www.nyaap.org/jung-lexicon/n/


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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22237804 - 09/14/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you want some PSP street cred, come clean about your white whale and I will about mine - and probably others will. Isn't that likely a more constructive discussion than finger pointing and judging?



I get it, that's pretty clear IMO. My biggest white whale is society. I have lots of smaller ones..

Great idea for discussion OC! I look forward to seeing what others write!


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Re: the white whale [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22237969 - 09/14/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mine is my family, probably.


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Re: the white whale [Re: Sun King]
    #22238145 - 09/14/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

WHITE WHALES MATTER!


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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22238169 - 09/14/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mine is death, my only obsession is death, but not in a creepy way, more in a shamanic way, my obsession is conscious States free from the physical body.

Unless the white whale symbolizes something other than obsession to you...

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22239543 - 09/15/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I thought it was more symbolic of something you have a deep personal hatred for; something that you feel has harmed you and as such you remain locked in a constant battle with (until the day you learn to let it go that is!).


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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22239599 - 09/15/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My white whale is an elephant. :what:


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Re: the white whale [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22239898 - 09/15/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought it was more symbolic of something you have a deep personal hatred for; something that you feel has harmed you and as such you remain locked in a constant battle with (until the day you learn to let it go that is!).




To me the whale symbolized obsession, and how your obsessions can consume and destroy you, the battle did not exist, the whale was just being a whale, and Ahab's obsession with it drove him to the ends of the earth and destroyed him, when he should have just let go of his obsessions, his obsessions led him to justify his insane behavior, and even when starbuck was saying "dude, its just a dumb whale, let it go" he said "fuck you, my obsessions justify My insanity"



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Re: the white whale [Re: Diploid]
    #22240156 - 09/15/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My white whale is an elephant. :what:




Yeah, but what is your elephant - an 800 pound gorilla?


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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22240207 - 09/15/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have to deal with a good deal of nonsesnse in my daily life, from people holding something against me when I did not even know what I did...

I don't hold hatred towards anybody, so in that sense I have no white whale, ive found it in myself to forgive all those who have done wrong to me.

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22240213 - 09/15/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The wrongs must have been minimal; otherwise :minigun:


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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22240242 - 09/15/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Which is what I figured, I cant think of anything ive ever intentionally done to anybody, I keep trying to figure this out, it makes no sense.

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22240248 - 09/15/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I am going to give you a one shroom rating to see how you react.



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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22240257 - 09/15/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ive never looked at my "shroomery ratings" I don't know how, I'm not tech wavy in any way.

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22240259 - 09/15/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

*savy


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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22240266 - 09/15/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
I have to deal with a good deal of nonsesnse in my daily life, from people holding something against me when I did not even know what I did...

-E. Borodin




Maybe you should be more aware of what you do.  Do you not see the mote that's in your eye?


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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22240282 - 09/15/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Which is what I figured, I cant think of anything ive ever intentionally done to anybody, I keep trying to figure this out, it makes no sense.

-E. Borodin




When I'm deeply entangled in my ego I am unaware of what I do to others as well.


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Re: the white whale [Re: cez]
    #22240284 - 09/15/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Whats a "mote"?

I seriously cant figure this out, and ive been trying for some time...

Why wouldn't somebody just say so if I wronged them?

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    #22240290 - 09/15/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How do you know they haven't?


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Re: the white whale [Re: cez]
    #22240358 - 09/15/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If they had wouldn't I be able to figure this out?

I'm a peaceful and reasonable person who is willing to admit to his mistakes and correct them, but I cant begin to fix any situation if I'm not aware of it...

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22240375 - 09/15/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Whats a "mote"? I seriously cant figure this out

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Re: the white whale [Re: Diploid]
    #22240399 - 09/15/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What is in my own eye that I must deal with before I can help a friend?

I still can not figure this all out, I'm not sure what else I can do.

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    #22240403 - 09/15/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I cant watch vid. On this device and my other device has no battery...

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    #22240444 - 09/15/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What is in my own eye that I must deal with before I can help a friend?

I still can not figure this all out, I'm not sure what else I can do.

-E. Borodin




You have a log in your eye, not a mote...Botched that line :facepalm:


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Re: the white whale [Re: cez]
    #22240645 - 09/15/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As far as I know there's no log in my eye, and if someone thinks there is and cant explain to me why, than I really don't know what I can do, you have to know what the problem is before you can fix it.

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    #22240695 - 09/15/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thinking you do no wrong is probably wonderful, but if you can't see why people hold things against you and want to figure out why, I suggest being more critical of yourself and your actions.  You seem to be clueless in regards to the effects of your actions unto others.


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Re: the white whale [Re: cez]
    #22241036 - 09/15/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In the past I may have made mistakes, and there's nothing I can do about that, all I can do is try to improve the present, and with in the last 5 or more years I have Been very mindful of my actions, and honestly very little that I do effects anybody but myself, I'm not saying that I'm not capable of making mistakes, I was saying my intentions have never been malicious, and ive never been that kind of person, I may have been a jackass in the past , but I was never trying to wrong anybody, and to be honest I cant remember a good deal of those days any way because of a crippling drug and alcohol problem that I used to have, ive been sober for around 5 years, and for the last 5 years ive done nothing but work on improving myself.... I still feel completley ignorant to this entire situation, and ive been trying to figure all this out, all I can say is that what ever the deal is, if you feel that I have really wronged you some how I deeply appologize, I'm sure it was never my intention to wrong you, and hope that you can forgive me for what ever it was.

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22241135 - 09/15/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What is in my own eye that I must deal with before I can help a friend?
I still can not figure this all out, I'm not sure what else I can do.

It's a metaphor. Is English a second language for you? Maybe that's the trouble. :confused:

BTW, are you aware that every post you make has your ID attached by the system? Signing your name over and over is redundant and duplicate. Not to mention (but I will anyway) that it's meaningless to a bunch of anonymous internet users who can use only your ID, but not your name, in any meaningful way. :grin:


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Re: the white whale [Re: Diploid]
    #22241142 - 09/15/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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    #22242249 - 09/15/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What is in my own eye that I must deal with before I can help a friend?
I still can not figure this all out, I'm not sure what else I can do.

It's a metaphor. Is English a second language for you? Maybe that's the trouble. :confused:

BTW, are you aware that every post you make has your ID attached by the system? Signing your name over and over is redundant and duplicate. Not to mention (but I will anyway) that it's meaningless to a bunch of anonymous internet users who can use only your ID, but not your name, in any meaningful way. :grin:





I understood the metaphors I was not understanding how it related to the situation.

Lots of people have the same name appear in their signiture section every time they post, often with pictures and links, I don't see what the big deal is, its only 10 charecters and its not hurting anybody, I'm not worried about member IDs or whatever you were talking about, its just part of habit, and since its harmless I don't see why I should stop just because someone else doesnt like it.

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    #22242255 - 09/15/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I still don't understand whatever the deal is...

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22242359 - 09/15/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What deal don't you understand?


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    #22242403 - 09/15/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know, I still cant make sense of this.

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    #22242782 - 09/15/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think it has very much to do with me, I know ive never done anything malicious to anybody, and ive done all that I can to try to understand the situation and fix it, but its beyond my control or my understanding,  all I can do is pray that these people find happinesss in their life, and forgive them, and if they think ive wronged them somehow I hope they can try to forgive me.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless those that curse you, do good to those that hate you, and pray for those who speak evil about you, and persecute you;  - Mathew 5:44

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22243254 - 09/15/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

all I can do is pray

Do you pray for sick people to get better? Like if a close relative is in hospital with cancer, do you pray that the cancer goes away? I'm just curious.


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    #22244554 - 09/16/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No, only that the person with the cancer can find happiness.

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    #22244578 - 09/16/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you know why Jesus did not stop his crucifixion?

Because it was not his sins that he was being murdered for.

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22244582 - 09/16/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:rimshot:


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    #22244794 - 09/16/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No, only that the person with the cancer can find happiness.

I didn't ask about praying for someone's happiness. I asked about praying for someone's cure from a medical condition. Again, is English a second language for you? You seem to have a lot of trouble with comprehension.

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: all I can do is pray that these people find happiness in their life



You contradict yourself. No wonder you're having so much trouble "getting" things. :confused:


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    #22244829 - 09/16/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And I answered no, I don't pray for the cure, I only pray that that person may find peace and happiness.

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    #22244892 - 09/16/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Does that work?


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    #22244923 - 09/16/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you suffer?

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    #22244928 - 09/16/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its ok, we all do...its the first Nobel truth

I pray all beings may find freedom from suffering.

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    #22244936 - 09/16/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

One more time: How many people have you helped with their suffering? All of them?


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    #22244953 - 09/16/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just by praying for their happiness I'm helping them, whether they realize it or not.

O compassion on these suffering conscious beings
Misguided in desires,
Who wander in the life cycle
Identifying with lust and atatchment,
Not knowing their selfawareness as great bliss,
may all of them attain the body of beatitude

O compassion on these misconceiving beings,
who wander in the life cycle
with the dualistic mind of hate,
Not knowing their own minds as the indivisible three bodies,
may they all attain the body of emanation!

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    #22244997 - 09/16/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:fishing:


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    #22251413 - 09/17/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its truly disgusting how far some people will go, they will spy on people, impersonate people, stalk people, all for nothing, its a sick world full of sick people....really really disturbing stuff.

I don't even know what else to say but that I pray that these people can find happiness in their life.

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    #22251425 - 09/17/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Its truly disgusting how far some people will go, they will spy on people, impersonate people, stalk people, all for nothing, its a sick world full of sick people....really really disturbing stuff.

I don't even know what else to say but that I pray that these people can find happiness in their life.

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Is this stuff happening to you?


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    #22251696 - 09/17/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would not be suprised, all you can do is pray for all sentient beings to find happiness.

Ego, desire, and  Attachment

Or

The three poisons : Greed, hate and ignorance, this is also what the pig, the snake, and the bird in the center of the wheel of samsara, the cycle of life, death, and rebirth represent


You can not combat negative forces by duplicating their actions, and I don't judge them for what they do, it just disgusting how far some people in this world will go, and all you can do is pray for those misguided souls who have obviously been overcome by sickness and the three poisons, and out of compassion you want these beings to be free from their suffering, anger and hate are secondary emotions, so i was not angry, just nauseated  all you can do is pray that all sentient beings find freedom from suffering, that they realize the suffering that the three poisons bring into their life, you pray they find freedom from anger, greed, hate, ego, attachment, and desire, you pray that they may find true happiness and be able to focus on other their lives.





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    #22251922 - 09/17/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You figure people wouldn't have the time to do these things, people become obsessed to the point where they justify creepy and disgusting things, where they will spy on, impersonate, stalk, and so on...these people really must be sick and I pray that they can find happiness and an end to their suffering.

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    #22251944 - 09/17/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Who is spying on, stalking and impersonating whom?


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    #22251997 - 09/17/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its truly disgusting...sick people

Wow, that's some nasty ego, desire and attachment you got going there for someone who claims to be above all that.

No one here has called you names or insulted you that I can tell, and nothing that's been said to you in this thread merits being called "disgusting" or "sick". All we have here, so far as I can tell, is a free, honest, good faith discussion and a threatened ego going all nasty and hateful when the talk doesn't go the way you expected. :confused:

I don't judge them for what they do

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    #22254599 - 09/18/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you knew what was happening to me you would think my statements were mild.

Maybe I'm talking about being spied on ,impersonated stalked and so on that goes far beyond this thread and even I to my real life.

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    #22254610 - 09/18/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you knew what was happening to me you would think my statements were mild.

Maybe I'm talking about being spied on ,impersonated stalked and so on that goes far beyond this thread and even I to my real life.

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    #22254617 - 09/18/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't do any drugs, ive been sober for 3.5 or more years.

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    #22254632 - 09/18/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What about DMT and other psychedelics?


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    #22254671 - 09/18/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, its been a really long time, I'm really into spirituality and chemistry,so I study, but I have not actually taken these compounds for years.

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    #22255123 - 09/18/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you knew what was happening to me you would think my statements were mild.

-E. Borodin




I don't think so..:rolleyes:

BTW, you don't have to associate with any of these people that are victimizing you.  If you continue to let it happen, who's fault is it?


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    #22255203 - 09/18/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't, I get impersonated, spied on and followed, I don't associate with anybody.

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    #22255342 - 09/18/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think you've been spending too much time by yourself dude.  No one is impersonating you -- your thoughts are running away with you.  Unless you're some famous person and we just don't know it, it's just not plausible.


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    #22255372 - 09/18/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you don't associate with anybody, how do you know this?


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    #22255381 - 09/18/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My brother is schizophrenic and he thinks people are following him when he isn't medicated.


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    #22255399 - 09/18/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In response to your first post
Ok, that's fine if you don't believe me, and I obviously thought about that very deeply.

-E. Borodin

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In response to the second, because somebody called me and told me all of this.


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In response to the third post

I obviously thought about that.

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    #22255712 - 09/18/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well I hope the authorities find this mysterious stalker.


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    #22256245 - 09/18/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't.

I don't want anything to do with any of this, I really don't even know what is going on, but I know I'm being blamed for things I never did, and I just want to be left alone, what is going on here?

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    #22256380 - 09/18/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All I can tell is that I'm being blamed for things that I never did, I'm getting accused of saying things I never said, and there's something seriously fucked up going on, I don't want anything to do with any of this, I don't understand any of this, I'm not a malicious person, and I never have been, I'm actually a very peaceful and spiritual person, the whole time I have been trying to figure this out I was never hostile, and I still pray for the happiness of all sentient beings, that's all I can do, I know ive done nothing wrong, and God knows ive done nothing wrong.

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    #22256658 - 09/18/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude... what the fuck are you going on about?  These posts you're making don't seem to have any relation to this thread, or to reality.  No one is out to get you, I guarantee you.


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That's not what you told me about IncidentalOpossum in a PM.


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    #22256779 - 09/18/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

See! Ive never PMd ANYBODY from this thread! What is going on here!!!!

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    #22256795 - 09/18/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Who pm'd you that you think is me?

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What the fuck is incidetalopossum?

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Pretty sure you are at the bottom of it.


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    #22256803 - 09/18/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:puddingpop:  Who are you pudding on now?


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Pretty sure you are at the bottom of it.




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    #22256816 - 09/18/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No, I don't know what is going on, all I can do is pray that these people can find happiness, I know ive done nothing wrong and so does God, I don't know whats going on here, and I don't want to, ive never done anything malicious to anybody, ive NEVER PMd anybody from this site except for two people, and they were asking for specifics on some molecule or something.

I just hope that anybody who is consumed with hate is able to find relief from their suffering, ill pray that you all find happiness and good fortune.

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    #22256891 - 09/18/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What is the oposite of an opossum?


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    #22256914 - 09/18/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know

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    #22256922 - 09/18/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A mussopo! :elmo:


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    #22257022 - 09/18/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That's not what you told me about IncidentalOpossum in a PM.




Quote:

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See! Ive never PMd ANYBODY from this thread! What is going on here!!!!

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It was a PM about you, not from you. Put on your listenen ears boy.


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    #22257078 - 09/18/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If the mindset of people in the world became one that was kinder, friendlier and more compassionate towards one another, peace and harmony would definitely result, and there would also be greater harmony and peace between humanity and the environment. This has to be our aspiration. - Dzigar Kongtrul Rinpoche

May all beings everywhere plagued with sufferings of body and mind quickly be freed from their illnesses. May those frightened cease to be afraid, and may those bound be free. May the powerless find power and may people think of befriending one another. May those who find themselves in trackless, fearful wildernesses - the children, the aged, the unprotected - be guarded by beneficent celestials, and may they swiftly attain Buddhahood. - U.N. Day of Prayer for World Peace 2




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    #22257097 - 09/18/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What is this sanctimonious bullshit?  This is completely out of place.  You're on Mars, bro.


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Re: the white whale [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22257122 - 09/18/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22257182 - 09/18/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If the mindset of people in the world became one that was kinder, friendlier and more compassionate towards one another, peace and harmony would definitely result, and there would also be greater harmony and peace between humanity and the environment.

I think this is simplistic.

Human aggression, selfishness, greed, and all the rest is hard-wired into us by millions of years of evolution. If we didn't posses these qualities, some other more-aggressive and nastier species would have out-competed and wiped us out way back when all creatures on Earth struggled for food, resources, and shelter with other species. The reason we're here today and the neanderthal are all fossils is because we beat the shit out of them, stole their lunch, ate their children, and left the rest to die. Had neanderthals been the greater assholes, we would be the fossils, and a civilization of neanderthal every bit as nasty as we are would have won the race.

This is why the assholes of the world end up with wealth, power, and hot spouses to fuck and amplify in their offspring the very same asshole qualities that put them in control of all the other humans who are kinder, gentler, and less ambitious;

That's how nature works. If you don't like that, stop praying to god who set up the rules of the game this way. Or you could take the rational route and give up fairy tales and accept that the universe is almost-certainly nihilistic, and we are just animals behaving like animals with no choice in the matter.

Now, to be clear, I hate this state of affairs. I'm a gentle soul who helps his neighbors and never kicked a puppy. But I'm also not deluded into believing in superstitious mumbo-jumbo about absent gods and ineffective spirituality to sugar coat the truth and help me sleep at night.


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    #22257367 - 09/18/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The instinct to.smash the brains out of anything moving near us has not been benificial to our species since the ice age and before.

You can call Buddhism supperstious mumbo jumbo if you please,  your entitled to your oppinion, but why treat people who only wish that you find peace and happiness with such hostility? Not everybody is going to like each other, that's life, but if someone is causing no harm to you and just wants to be left alone, if this person responds to aggressions with words of prayer and love, and only seeks peace between all sentient beings, why come after them?

99% of the things said about me are absolute lies, the only things I actually did involved being black out drunk and braking things by mistake, I have never been malicious or mean and I have always had a good heart.

I wish I could be mean, or negative, or hateful, but that's not me and it never has been, which like you said causes my problems, people see someone who does not want to feed into these things, i dont want nice possesions or tons of women or respect or recognition, I'm happy living with nearly nothing, and I'm happy just being left to myself to study and practice spirituality, I mean no harm to anyone, and I never did.


Its a game of cooperation now, if we don't all work together, we will die when our planet runs out of resources or when our star explodes, humanity is going to have to work together if it is going to survive. And the negative does not always triumph, I think even the coldest most hateful people have compassion and empathy in their hearts, hate and anger are secondary emotions, and its often personnel.suffering that is the cause.

Its a choice, ive never seen good hearted people act out of hatred.


People expect me to be angry over this, and I'm not angry, I'm saddened that these people suffer so greatly that they are willing to do these things to another human, it truly saddens me, and I only want to see them find true happiness.

Even if you think spirituality is "mumbo-jumbo" there's still thousands of years of wisdom behind it.

But I say to you, love your enemies and bless the one who curses you, and do what is beautiful to the one who hates you, and pray over those who take you by force and persecute you.- Mathew 5:44
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The dalai lama knew misguided actions, his homeland was stolen from him, and he has never said anything but "I forgive you" about it.

Below are the words of the dalai lama:

When reason ends, then anger begins. Therefore, anger is a sign of weakness.

If subconscious anger had a parallel in Buddhist writings, it would have to do with what is called mental unhappiness or dissatisfaction. This is regarded as the source of anger and hostility. We can see subconscious anger in terms of a lack of awarness, as well as an active misconstruing of reality.

If there are sound reasons or bases for the points you demand, then there is no need to use violence. On the other hand, when there is no sound reason that concessions should be made to you but mainly your own desire, then reason cannot work and you have to rely on force. Thus, using force is not a sign of strength but rather a sign of weakness. Even in daily human contact, if we talk seriously, using reasons, there is no need to feel anger. We can argue the points. When we fail to prove with reason, then anger comes. When reason ends, then anger begins. Therefore, anger is a sign of weakness." from 'The Dalai Lama
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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22257748 - 09/18/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You can call Buddhism supperstious mumbo jumbo if you please,  your entitled to your oppinion, but why treat people who only wish that you find peace and happiness with such hostility?

What? Where is the hostility? I'm just stating things as I perceive them. There is no hostility there. That is 100% your own projection.

See, I think this is part of your problem. You read things that you WANT to read instead of the things that were ACTUALLY written. It's also why I've asked twice if English is a second language for you. You are not getting things right even though they are written very clearly in simple language. This may be why you think people are following and impersonating you when the truth is that you are inventing all of it yourself, though I don't think you do it intentionally. I think you just need to slow down and read more carefully so you don't keep making these mistakes that so distress you.

For example, OrgoneConclusion wrote that he got a PM from Sun King *ABOUT* you, not *FROM* you. But you somehow read that is was a PM from you. That is completely different than what was actually written. Don't buy it? Scroll up and read it again, slowly.

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    #22257834 - 09/18/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm fairly sure at this point that he cannot be reasoned with.


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Re: the white whale [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22258011 - 09/18/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ive done nothing but say peaceful things, you guys automatically assume that everything I'm talking about involves you, ive never specified who was involved in any of this. Unless your that sure there's nothing else going on in my life, though I don't see how its possible that you could know that.

I don't know whats going on.

There's really nothing I can say.

Ill just remain ignorant off all this.

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22258057 - 09/18/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How do you feel about sustainable development?


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    #22258076 - 09/18/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not familiar with it.

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    #22258078 - 09/18/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Coincidentiaoppositorum:

Please stop saying that over and over.  PLEASE READ AND RESPOND TO DIPLOID'S POST -- Just above.

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    #22258083 - 09/18/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I did respond, I'm not familiar with sustainable development.

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    #22258088 - 09/18/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm:


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    #22258109 - 09/18/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I did respond, I'm not familiar with sustainable development.

-E. Borodin





Seems odd you quote UN philosophy/prayer and have not a clue what sustainable development is.


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    #22258124 - 09/18/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I thought sustainable development had to do with growing things in symbiosis for resource management, it doesn't have to do with Buddhism or shamanism as far as I know...

If I didn't respond to it, it was probably because I had nothing to say.

Why is it these people on this thread think I'm talking about them.

I have a family member who spies on me, trys to plant drug paraphenilia in my house to get me kicked out, files false police reports on me, generally does every malicious and vindictive thing to me someone can do, and all ive tried to do was be reasonable with this person.

This is what the original post was about ,yet you all seem to think I'm talking about something else.


That's why I keep.saying, I don't know whats going on here.

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    #22258147 - 09/18/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No, it has nothing to do with some pie in the sky thing.  It's about stacking and packing people in tight quarters with food and jobs close by.  Sounds lovely, right?  So when you quote UN mumbo jumbo prayer nonsense, that's the type of thing you are supporting without even knowing it.  Slums.


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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22258164 - 09/18/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you guys automatically assume that everything I'm talking about involves you

We assume that because that is exactly what you wrote.

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Coincidentiaoppositorum wrote:You can call Buddhism supperstious mumbo jumbo if you please,  your entitled to your oppinion, but why treat people who only wish that you find peace and happiness with such hostility?




That is a statement involving me, buddy. Get your story straight and don't tell me that what you wrote doesn't involve me when it clearly does right there in your own words quoted verbatim.

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    #22258806 - 09/19/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
If the mindset of people in the world became one that was kinder, friendlier and more compassionate towards one another, peace and harmony would definitely result, and there would also be greater harmony and peace between humanity and the environment.

I think this is simplistic.

Human aggression, selfishness, greed, and all the rest is hard-wired into us by millions of years of evolution. If we didn't posses these qualities, some other more-aggressive and nastier species would have out-competed and wiped us out way back when all creatures on Earth struggled for food, resources, and shelter with other species. The reason we're here today and the neanderthal are all fossils is because we beat the shit out of them, stole their lunch, ate their children, and left the rest to die. Had neanderthals been the greater assholes, we would be the fossils, and a civilization of neanderthal every bit as nasty as we are would have won the race.

This is why the assholes of the world end up with wealth, power, and hot spouses to fuck and amplify in their offspring the very same asshole qualities that put them in control of all the other humans who are kinder, gentler, and less ambitious;

That how nature work. If you don't like that, stop praying to god who set up the rules of the game this way. Or you could take the rational route and give up fairy tales and accept that the universe is almost-certainly nihilistic, and we are just animals behaving like animals with no choice in the matter.




This is a chilling post because of how true it is imo. :sad:


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    #22258979 - 09/19/15 04:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is a chilling post because of how true it is imo. :sad:



Yeah, that's exactly what I thought when I read it. Had to read it over a couple of times to let it sink in.


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    #22259079 - 09/19/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't understand any of this, I did not do anything to deserve any of this.


That's why I cant understand with any of this, I respond to all hostility with peace and will continue to do so

Below are the words of the dalai lama:

When reason ends, then anger begins. Therefore, anger is a sign of weakness.

If subconscious anger had a parallel in Buddhist writings, it would have to do with what is called mental unhappiness or dissatisfaction. This is regarded as the source of anger and hostility. We can see subconscious anger in terms of a lack of awarness, as well as an active misconstruing of reality.

If there are sound reasons or bases for the points you demand, then there is no need to use violence. On the other hand, when there is no sound reason that concessions should be made to you but mainly your own desire, then reason cannot work and you have to rely on force. Thus, using force is not a sign of strength but rather a sign of weakness. Even in daily human contact, if we talk seriously, using reasons, there is no need to feel anger. We can argue the points. When we fail to prove with reason, then anger comes. When reason ends, then anger begins. Therefore, anger is a sign of weakness." from 'The Dalai Lama


I'm sorry your suffering is so deep that you must poject all these things onto me.  All I can say is I pray for your happiness.





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    #22259082 - 09/19/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If an unarmed man is getting beat down and all he says is "I forgive you
"  as they are doing it, who is the bad person? People will justify horrors of all kinds to act out their selfish obsessions.

I don't know what you think I did, but obviously there's no reasoning with you.

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    #22259087 - 09/19/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Matthew 5:44King James Version (KJV)

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


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    #22259099 - 09/19/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Psalm 137:9

Blessed shall he be who takes your babies and dashes them against the rock!


Planned Parenthood in Biblical times, I guess... :shrug:


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    #22259104 - 09/19/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What does that have to do with anything?

Some say Jesus may have yraveled to India, which may be where the Buddhist like philosophy shines through...
though in 325 Constantine destroyed that religion by altering all their texts, thank God the nag hamadi and dea sea scrolls survived.

I'm out of anything to say, I'm probably leaving this forum, which I would have done sooner had I not started getting blamed for things I never said or did, someone is obviously impersonating me and out to get me, I don't know why, all I can do is respond with kindness and compassion.

Ive got nothing left to say.

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    #22259107 - 09/19/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whateveryousayfreak:



Leviticus 11:9-12 King James Version (KJV)

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.


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    #22259160 - 09/19/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What does that have to do with anything?

Some say Jesus may have yraveled to India, which may be where the Buddhist like philosophy shines through...
though in 325 Constantine destroyed that religion by altering all their texts, thank God the nag hamadi and dea sea scrolls survived.

I'm out of anything to say, I'm probably leaving this forum, which I would have done sooner had I not started getting blamed for things I never said or did, someone is obviously impersonating me and out to get me, I don't know why, all I can do is respond with kindness and compassion.

Ive got nothing left to say.

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    #22259186 - 09/19/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: the white whale [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22259216 - 09/19/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm out of anything to say, I'm probably leaving this forum, which I would have done sooner had I not started getting blamed for things I never said or did, someone is obviously impersonating me and out to get me, I don't know why, all I can do is respond with kindness and compassion.

Ive got nothing left to say.

-E. Borodin



Hey brother, I think I can see what's happened here - it's just a misunderstanding, which, unfortunately, is a lot more likely when all we have to communicate with is text (body language would be an enormous help here). Please, don't take it personally and don't leave the forum because of it. I, for one, enjoy reading what you have to say.

You seem like a good guy to me, and I think it's just a lack of comprehension of language which has lead this discussion to the point it has got to.

How about just chalking this one up to experience and sticking around?


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    #22259305 - 09/19/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its going far beyond this forum, I don't know what is being said about me, ive found facebook pages in my name with other peoples pictures, I'm being threatened on the street, and I don't kknow whet is going on, and nobody will tell me. All I get is passive agresdion and threats.

I'm done, seriously, I'm deleting my emails and throwing my tablet away.

I don't know what I did or whats being said about me, and since no human on this earth will be direct with me, but apparently has no issue with threatening me, I'm done.

You win, give up, come and kill me if that's what you want, just at least explain to me why first.

Its had to delete an email.account...I'm going to try to delete my shroomery account if I can.
I know it wont stop people from impersanating me, but I'm done, fucked up people are going to be fucked up, and bo matter how good of a person you are, if they believe something that is untrue, they will even justify murder over it, without even checking with the person they are trying to kill...


The ONLY things I have ever done involve me being black out drunk (5 or 6 years ago) on st. Paddy's day none the less, where my girlfriend left me that same day and I started drinking at. 8am, I don't remember the incident, and ill admit to being a drunken jackass and accidentally braking things, but something tells me this goes far beyond that, there were fake facebook accounts in my REAL name, with someone else's picture that looked somewhat like me, I have people come up to me saying I was talking shit, when I don't even know who the fuck these people are, I cant talk.shit about people that I don't know God Damn it! I don't say anything bad about anyone, I'm a good hearted and honest person, for a while my ex would send people who I did not know to spy on me, so at this location I would tell them all some story about myige to see what got reported back on the other end, but that's extreme mesutes for an extreme situation.

I know for a fact ive never done anything to intentionally harm any one, and this is what I get for trying to be a good person.

I don't know if this is some big joke or what but seriously people have crossed the line, people I don't even know are threatening me on the streets....but will anybody tell me why? No!

I cant take it amy more, I'm done.




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    #22259317 - 09/19/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry to hear all this, and from the sounds of it your ex has done a number.

There is such a thing as "Gang Stalking" and you are likely a victim of it aka a "targeted individual".  Google it, lots of info.  They have your picture, they know your name.  They threaten you individually yet there are many of them.

It may be time to move elsewhere and to change your appearance.


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Re: the white whale [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #22259342 - 09/19/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not an option, I didn't do anything, I'm ready to just let them kill me, if they can justify it, let them do it, but let me say this I KNOW IVE DONE NOTHING TO DESERVE IT.

Let it happen, I'm not going to run, I'm going to start confronting them when they they threaten me, ive seriously had enough, if they want to beat down or kill an unarmed man for something he did not do SO BE IT.

Hopefully they will have the decency to explain this to me while they are doing it.

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    #22259345 - 09/19/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If getting drunk and braking these by mistake can justify this....

There has to be something more going on here

So be it.

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    #22261239 - 09/19/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I talked to a former friend who I know was involved, I asked him at the end of my ropes to mist be honest with me, I looked this kid right in the eyes asking for the truth, and he lied right to my face, then he kept bringing up creepy shit, I have at least Identified who is responsible, and I KNOWFOR A FACT I NEVER did anything g but try to be a good friend to this person, ive never done anything to amy of these people, in fact they have been victimizing me for years, if anything I should be pist at them....

But I'm not, I forgive them, even the person who I thought was my friend who was able to look me straight in the eyes and lie to me...

Nobody will tell me whats going on, nobody will tell me why they are doing this to me....


Someone who I thought was a friend, I always said good things about this guy, ive done nothing to this person but try to be a good friend, and yet he can justify what he is doing to me....

I was hanging out with this kid, I had only been eating morning star farms food, and this kid brings of the specific product that I buy, they keep pushing me with their passive agressive non-sene.

Well, I'm fed up, this is my last post.


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    #22261287 - 09/19/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Boo


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Re: the white whale [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22261350 - 09/19/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I bet 1500 quatloos it is not his last post.


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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22261354 - 09/19/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How will you know if it's him or an impostor?


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    #22261396 - 09/19/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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How will you know if it's him or an impossum?






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Re: the white whale [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22261405 - 09/19/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That thing is so cute in a vicious sort of way.


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