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Spray and fan sgfc
    #22234857 - 09/13/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Never really grew pf correctly i have a nice 58 qt sgfc with 6 cakes and 4 inchs of perlite.
Now for my question; is it necessary to mist and fan before the cake colonize the verm casing layer?
Is it necessary at all to mist and fan and what do you mist the cakes or walls?

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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22234873 - 09/13/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Never really grew pf correctly i have a nice 58 qt sgfc with 6 cakes and 4 inchs of perlite.
Now for my question; is it necessary to mist and fan before the cake colonize the verm casing layer?
Is it necessary at all to mist and fan and what do you mist the cakes or walls?

(jus some porn)



1. Yes, you want to mist the cakes 1-2 hours after rolling and placing them in the fruiting chamber, we wait this hour or 2 so the verm sticks, and doesn't just fall off when it gets misted.

B. Yes, it is necessary, if you want optimal/descent results....and You want to mist the cakes, gently with a fine mist until they glisten, then fan out the chamber for a humidity drop, to make room in the air for evaporation of the water you just misted to take place.

X. Is that ur FC in the pic?


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: PussyFart]
    #22234896 - 09/13/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Pussyfart :havesomescience:


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: PussyFart]
    #22234907 - 09/13/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Never really grew pf correctly i have a nice 58 qt sgfc with 6 cakes and 4 inchs of perlite.
Now for my question; is it necessary to mist and fan before the cake colonize the verm casing layer?
Is it necessary at all to mist and fan and what do you mist the cakes or walls?

(jus some porn)



1. Yes, you want to mist the cakes 1-2 hours after rolling and placing them in the fruiting chamber, we wait this hour or 2 so the verm sticks, and doesn't just fall off when it gets misted.

B. Yes, it is necessary, if you want optimal/descent results....and You want to mist the cakes, gently with a fine mist until they glisten, then fan out the chamber for a humidity drop, to make room in the air for evaporation of the water you just misted to take place.

X. Is that ur FC in the pic?



lol fuck no i think that is pic from the pf tek inventor

okay i will mist but first im going to have to wash my spray bottle since i use it to hold my BETCO Af79 disinfectant


im thinking i can spary and fan in the morning after work and before bed . They are by the window to so the'll have plenty of warm sunlight .


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22235169 - 09/14/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would invest in a new spraybottle instead of reusing one that had chemicals in it.... but that's just me.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: braincrash]
    #22238806 - 09/14/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I would invest in a new spraybottle instead of reusing one that had chemicals in it.... but that's just me.



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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22238821 - 09/14/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You can get a spray bottle at dollar tree youndont want to ingest mushies with chems all over them.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: RMGtrippy]
    #22238838 - 09/14/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You can get a spray bottle at dollar tree youndont want to ingest mushies with chems all over them.




i cleaned the bottle pretty well i would say


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22238881 - 09/14/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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PussyFart said:
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Never really grew pf correctly i have a nice 58 qt sgfc with 6 cakes and 4 inchs of perlite.
Now for my question; is it necessary to mist and fan before the cake colonize the verm casing layer?
Is it necessary at all to mist and fan and what do you mist the cakes or walls?

(jus some porn)



1. Yes, you want to mist the cakes 1-2 hours after rolling and placing them in the fruiting chamber, we wait this hour or 2 so the verm sticks, and doesn't just fall off when it gets misted.

B. Yes, it is necessary, if you want optimal/descent results....and You want to mist the cakes, gently with a fine mist until they glisten, then fan out the chamber for a humidity drop, to make room in the air for evaporation of the water you just misted to take place.

X. Is that ur FC in the pic?



lol fuck no i think that is pic from the pf tek inventor

okay i will mist but first im going to have to wash my spray bottle since i use it to hold my BETCO Af79 disinfectant


im thinking i can spary and fan in the morning after work and before bed . They are by the window to so the'll have plenty of warm sunlight .




Those are fahtsters cakes. Recognize em a mile off. Dude was the only person I ever saw rock PE on cakes like that.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22239081 - 09/14/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I knew that, I wanted to see his response....lol....I can spot em a mile away as well.....


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: PussyFart]
    #22239091 - 09/14/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I knew that, I wanted to see his response....lol....I can spot em a mile away as well.....





The guy that lurks in the journal with a school bus in his profile pic (dont know his name) always talks shit on this pic lol


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22239096 - 09/14/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I remember seeing his cakes for the first time in the mushroom videos I was like :jawdrop:
Straight up dick treasure chest, can't see the perlite for the mushrooms.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22239219 - 09/14/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You can get a spray bottle at dollar tree youndont want to ingest mushies with chems all over them.




i cleaned the bottle pretty well i would say





Im sure there will be some residual debris left in the bottle. But to each his own.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: RMGtrippy]
    #22239339 - 09/15/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Am I the only one that thinks the effectiveness of the sgfc goes up when you have more cakes (eg more substrate) to supply more humidity?

When I grew three cakes in a 105 qt sgfc it seemed to hold humidity poorly but when I packed the damn thing with cakes wall to wall i got incredible results.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22239358 - 09/15/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nope.  That's definitely true.

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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22239364 - 09/15/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, the more cakes the stronger the natural air currents in the SGFC,the cakes put off heat that rises drawing more humid fresh air through the perlite. I agree more does better than less.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22336399 - 10/05/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I am actually making my very first sgfc's of my own right now, and I have some questions..
I am using rather small chambers, 15 liter/4 gallon each and made 20 8mm holes in them. I put a wet rag in one of them and put a hygrometer in it to test it.
The RH landed at, just above 80% and I wonder if you guys think that is humid enough...
Of course it ought to climb even higher with perlite and 4 pf cakes each in them.
Any thoughts?


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: braincrash]
    #22336478 - 10/05/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You could make smaller SGFCs that would work, read the link in my signature to understand the principles. Another thing is humidity of the chamber isn't that important, the only place it is important is on the surface of the cakes, this is why we roll the cakes in verm and keep them misted. It produces a humid micro climate on the surface, and allows for evaporation which promotes pinning. Build a proper SGFC and ditch the hygrometer.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: fahtster]
    #22336492 - 10/05/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Nope.  That's definitely true.

Faht





would it help to fruit low numbers of cakes with some sponges in the FC
to act as dummy cakes?


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: DaveyJones6911] * 1
    #22336512 - 10/05/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

just colonize the sponges..
:lol: just kidding


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22336529 - 10/05/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It wouldn't be the same, sponges don't produce heat like mycelium. Warm humid air rises, drawing more air through the bottom and perlite. When I had my SGFC full of cakes and used to smoke cigs, you could see where the air was sucked in at the holes the perlite was stained with tar, lol


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22336693 - 10/05/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I too think the more cakes the better. I have tried with just a few and they didn't do very well. If I only have a few to fruit I now just use a 2liter bottles. (that is when I do cakes which isn't often these days.)


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: cronicr]
    #22336715 - 10/05/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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just colonize the sponges..
:lol: just kidding




lol... might be able to you could if you made up a nutrient solution. would be a cool experiment anyways...


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #22336718 - 10/05/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

there is bran and agar in there:smile:


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: cronicr]
    #22336720 - 10/05/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it is a rieshi jar and it is currently fruiting just fine:grin:


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #22336766 - 10/05/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Right on brother!


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22338801 - 10/05/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You could make smaller SGFCs that would work, read the link in my signature to understand the principles. Another thing is humidity of the chamber isn't that important, the only place it is important is on the surface of the cakes, this is why we roll the cakes in verm and keep them misted. It produces a humid micro climate on the surface, and allows for evaporation which promotes pinning. Build a proper SGFC and ditch the hygrometer.



Ok, thanx a lot man!
I am trying to become a good cultivator and with help from people like yourself it feels within reach.
Just a pic of my sgfc project


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: braincrash]
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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22338872 - 10/05/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid: You need a LOT more holes all around the tub (1/4") separated by about 2 inches.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22340688 - 10/06/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542

Re-read that one.



Hmm.. thanx for the tip.. but in my defense the fc in the pic was made b4 my first post in this thread...
I really like the design and understand the principles, I understand the airflow and evaporation etc...
Unfortunately it got me a bit bummed out... 
Maybe this will make you spin, but I wonder if there is any adjustments to do to lower the mist and fan count per day?
You see, I work pretty much, and are usually away from home at least 14 hours/day, does this mean that sgfc's are out of the question for me? 
Right now I run a very small improvised fruiting chamber with about 20 holes in it, I only have time to mist and fan 2-3 times per day, and that is just, barely, enough for that fc. 
With this design I am sure you get very much improved performance, but with no one to take care of the misting during day time I wonder if you could lower the amount of holes, or mabe make them smaller?; of course with some loss in performance, but still.??
Or should I just give up and go for other fc design, and if so, what fc would work best for me. I do some pf cakes and also cased popcorns.
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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: braincrash]
    #22340848 - 10/06/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

A SGFC was designed to be left for 14 hours a day. Many people mist and fan them too much anyway. When you move up start monotubs which can be left for weeks.


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Re: Spray and fan sgfc [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22344879 - 10/07/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, thanx!
That sounds great and I am very relieved!
The holes I have done so far are 8mm (there is a pic in an earlier post I did in this thread), according to the sgfc tutorial you should use 1/4inch holes, which is 6.35mm in metric, so it shouldn't make that much difference, but the rest of the holes I will make 6mm.
I will post pics of the fc when it's done, which will be this weekend.
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