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Iron Horse
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Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti
#22234366 - 09/13/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello all,
This is my first post here (long time lurker) and I have a simple question that I hope someone can help answer:
I recently came across these cacti (cactuses?) at a market here in Asia, and they looked a lot like lophophora to me. I showed the grower who worked at the stall some photos of lophophora williamsii on my phone, and she said her plants are the same.
What say you? Are any of these something?
I apologize in advance for the blurriness of the photos, I took them covertly (scroll to see them in their entirety). I am considering buying these outright soon and taking better pictures at home, regardless of their activity level (still, fingers crossed that they're not diffusa).
Thank you for your help:

Edited by Iron Horse (09/13/15 11:07 PM)
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: Iron Horse] 1
#22234723 - 09/13/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The bottom picture is lophophora williamsii var caespitosa and they seem a bit stretched looking for some better light.
The top pictures are blurry but I'd put my money on lophophora williamsii because diffusa seems to be a bit harder to get your hands on IME.
Read this and it'll help you distinguish what it actually is.
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: Iron Horse] 1
#22234734 - 09/13/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The few with multiple pups may be lophophora w. var caespitosa.
Not really sure on their activity level, though they are definitely active. Depending on you location in asia, i would say they are legit, as i know thailand is a pretty big producer of these awesome little dudes!
Edit: damn beat me to it!
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Edited by natedawgnow (09/13/15 10:22 PM)
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: natedawgnow]
#22234888 - 09/13/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, that's a real help; like I said, I'm going to buy one soon (it's a weekend-only market) and take better pictures to share here.
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: Iron Horse]
#22234924 - 09/13/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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is that ariocarpus fissuratus next to it?
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From what I can see it is.
If I was you I would pick up one of those fissuratus as well dude
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: spaceman101]
#22235098 - 09/14/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lovely diffusa's in the top pic.
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#22235104 - 09/14/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can you tell with the blurr? I thought 1 might be but the others I need a clearer pic of to be sure.
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: spaceman101]
#22235113 - 09/14/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Skin colour, wool and areole spacing all suggest diffusa to me.
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#22235186 - 09/14/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh ok thanks for the info buddy
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: spaceman101]
#22237431 - 09/14/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asia must be nice. They got really cool ones for aale. They have some here but it's not the same.
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: ferrel_human]
#22248291 - 09/16/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suppose my next question is...are these worth tripping off of at all? I'm not looking to kill a very old, rare cactus, but, what about a few big buttons from the caespitosa only?
Common wisdom seems to be to just go for San Pedro, though I'm not sure of availability around here (and I don't feel like having it sent to me from abroad).
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: Iron Horse]
#22248743 - 09/16/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It doesn't quite work like that from what I know.
Honestly why destroy a beautiful old growth Loph when you could just order a bridge or 2 and have nearly an endless supply replenish it's self each year?
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: spaceman101]
#22255608 - 09/18/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The top ones, green flesh and big single heads with ill defined ribs are inactive diffusae. The bluish polycephalic ones on the bottom are LW var. caespitosa and active.
What's the cost? And what size pot are they in? With LW legal in your country and easily found in the nursury then bridgesii might actually be a more expensive and hard to source way to trip for you personally.
I would say that if you dried up both of those caespitosas, you could have at least one solid trip. What I would do is buy some small myrtillocactus, san pedro, selenicereus or hylocereus at the same time, remove 5 or 6 of the smaller heads and graft those to the rootstocks you bought so that you will have more plants down the line. Then, cut the main head off the plant, leaving the stem and roots to callous and put out more heads (it will most likely survive), then cut up the rest of the head into thin slices, dry in a food dehydrator. Here's a link on peyote dosage, although I've heard that nursery grown plants can be much weaker than the wild ones most potency figures are based on, more in the 1% range rather than 4-6%. 
Discussion like this is probably better left to other parts of the shroomery, people in the EG tend to get all bent when you talk about eating lophs. If you want info on consumption methods, take it to the Psychedelic Experience.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (09/18/15 10:37 AM)
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22272511 - 09/22/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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P. Zappa,
Sorry for the slow response; the cost for one caespitosa is about USD$60. I'm not sure of the size of the pot exactly, but I'd say the top diamater is about 10 inches across. There are quite a few heads there, so overall a good size.
I'll head over to the PE, though, thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: Iron Horse]
#22273292 - 09/22/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's pretty expensive then. I wouldn't sacrifice $120 for one trip. You may want to buy one and then buy some cheap grafting stocks and graft a few heads on them. In a few years you could have enough to trip and in the meantime you'd have some great looking plants. It took 3 years from when I started growing peyote until had enough to spare for a trip and just had my first mescaline experience last weekend. It's worth the wait if you have the patience, but realize that mescaline producing plants grow slow and it takes a lot material to trip. Not a cheap or easy to come by experience.
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Re: Help identifying (possible) Lophophora W. cacti [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22273469 - 09/22/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, I personally would snatch up one of those diffusa, kohresii and ariocarpus fissuratus if I had the money. That store has an epic selection of plants.
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