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MajickMuffin
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7+days no sign of Growth in jars
#22233608 - 09/13/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Used a MS syringe to innoc 10 jars (small) of: 50% horse shit/straw 50% coco coir /1% guano /1% gypsum -pasteurized
After 7+ days I see absolutely no signs of growth. I figured the syringe was bad. Used another syringe. 1cc into each. Been 4+ days no signs.
Is it going to take longer since its only 1cc or wtf
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22233867 - 09/13/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well first of all link to the TEK you followed. 7 days is not a long enough time to worry 1cc is way more than enough Meth is bad If you pasteurized your jars you're fucked. You need to sterilize them.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22233883 - 09/13/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting mix. We're you going to fruit them as cakes?
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22233900 - 09/13/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: After 7+ days I see absolutely no signs of growth. I figured the syringe was bad. Used another syringe. 1cc into each. Been 4+ days no signs.
Is it going to take longer since its only 1cc or wtf
Wait, hold up, you re-inoculated the same jars with another syringe? That'll just increase the chance of contams, being as MS syringes are never 100% sterile, and potentially throw off the moisture content of your jars.
And 1 week is not a long enough time frame to wait for MS to germinate. It sometimes takes up to two weeks to see growth. Next time make some agar plates, put spores on there, then make a nice LI syringe and inoculate with that.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22233922 - 09/13/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That sounds like a kick ass substrate to mix colonized grains with but not to use for jars.....hmmmm....
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: dowtish]
#22234378 - 09/13/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input guys.
Yes I'm going to attempt to fruit them as cakes.
The horse shit/straw was already pasteurized, and then I added the coco coir, guano, gypsum and pasteurized them real well. Could have been between pasteurizing and sterilizing.
2cc total from MS into each jar, that won't throw off water content..
I doubt the MS are contaminated I've never had problems with them, also the substrate contents shouldn't be easy to contaminate. Although, I'm not sure since it is nutrient rich with guano powder and gypsum.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22234385 - 09/13/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't follow any tek.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin] 1
#22235478 - 09/14/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Start over its pure fail.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: bodhisatta]
#22236400 - 09/14/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Start over its pure fail.
Elaborate please
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22236422 - 09/14/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agar man. Its the.only way. Then add a few wedges to grains in about 7 to 10 days add to bulk sub like you have there and put in trays or monotub. Success u will have with proper sterile tek
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22236432 - 09/14/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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megatacular said: Agar man. Its the.only way. Then add a few wedges to grains in about 7 to 10 days add to bulk sub like you have there and put in trays or monotub. Success u will have with proper sterile tek
Why would you say 'its the only way' when its not. I've used MS so many times and hadsuccess
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22236459 - 09/14/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well its the only way to know for sure u have no contams. Good mycelial growth and the best chance to produce that great even blanket of the.same size and shape shroomage man. Its fool proof. We've all had our fare share of ms success. A few good clusters here and there but the best harvest always start with agar.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22236495 - 09/14/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Start over its pure fail.
Elaborate please
your trying to inoculate a bulk mix with spores, start with grain
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22236539 - 09/14/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Start over its pure fail.
Elaborate please
Try following before failing. Blaze your own trail when you know more than zilch
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22236582 - 09/14/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Start over its pure fail.
Elaborate please
your trying to inoculate a bulk mix with spores, start with grain
Yeah listen to this guy I obviously don't.know shit. Don't.know why I bother sometimes. Good luck
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22236611 - 09/14/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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spores will rarely ever germinate on a bulk mix
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22236612 - 09/14/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Start over its pure fail.
Elaborate please
your trying to inoculate a bulk mix with spores, start with grain
Yeah listen to this guy I obviously don't.know shit. Don't.know why I bother sometimes. Good luck
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22237172 - 09/14/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: spores will rarely ever germinate on a bulk mix
A bulk mix?
They should be able to start on the straw.
Ive done many bags of Horse Shit/straw and they start from spores just finely IME
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22237246 - 09/14/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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pics? logs? links?
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22237254 - 09/14/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22237521 - 09/14/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hah,
Seriously though, you can't inoculate bulk with sporess. They have a hard time germinating.
Now if it were LC you used, then it'd be a different story.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22237619 - 09/14/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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didn't think so
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22237622 - 09/14/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol.
I will tell you my method.
I used a bag of pre-pasteurized Horseshit/straw, mixed it with Hydrated coco coir, added in a little guano, gypsym, then used Franks Proper Pasteurization tek.
Once cooled I knocked them up.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22237624 - 09/14/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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didn't think so
If you only would have waited one more fucking munite
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22237626 - 09/14/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22237943 - 09/14/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol.
I will tell you my method.
I used a bag of pre-pasteurized Horseshit/straw, mixed it with Hydrated coco coir, added in a little guano, gypsym, then used Franks Proper Pasteurization tek.
Once cooled I knocked them up.

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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22238292 - 09/14/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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didn't think so
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22238306 - 09/14/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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didn't think so

I dont see the point.
I explained everything I have done.
Im not sure why people here are all talking about a potential problem with my method. There should be absolutely no problems here with my methods used.
I was simply asking on the timeframe of MS syringes. Thanks everyone for the input.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22238350 - 09/14/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some people are just assholes man. Especially ones that like to quote them selves twice in the same thread. I mean people come on here asking for help not for someone to tell them they're dead fucking wrong in everything they do and refuse to answer a simple question. I just followed a thread where a guy has been growing shit on fucking tortillas for gods sake. Ur method is as unorthodox as that for sure but if u say it works to ur liking so be it. What's a little cracked on the side but still works just fine don't fix it right?
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22238357 - 09/14/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bro seriously .i dont always agree with this guy but hes rite ur mix is fine but not for germing. put that shit 2 agar or grain then noc it its a fail as is .i c ur qs is how lng for ms germ but id say that also depends on what ur nocing IME AN ms to agar noc will b much fster than puttng it 2 that sub mix u got goin ya kno
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professorFATTYCAP said: bro seriously .i dont always agree with this guy but hes rite ur mix is fine but not for germing. put that shit 2 agar or grain then noc it its a fail as is
do u think if he used a confederate flag in the jars, it would germinate faster
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22238399 - 09/14/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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People are going to be skeptical when you describe past success directly innoculating to a bulk substrate from a spore syringe. Not saying it's impossible but i don't recall ever seeing a grow log involving direct inoculation from a SS that worked out so it it is understandable when people think it could be your method rather than your spores that are the problem. On top of that you claimed to have used MS inoculation on bulk with good success in the past which would generally suggest that you would have more experience with spore germinating times on what could only be described as a highly questionable grow method than most people on here have never tried or tried and failed with it. But to answer your question 3-14 days would be normal depending on temperature for spores to germinate. Skeptical bunch on here when it comes to claims of a method used successfully that would be generally considered to be a guaranteed fail without some pictures to back it up. If it works for you thats great but many folks hear would love to see a documented grow where direct inoculation to bulk actually worked. Slart
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: blindingleaf]
#22238413 - 09/14/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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professorFATTYCAP said: bro seriously .i dont always agree with this guy but hes rite ur mix is fine but not for germing. put that shit 2 agar or grain then noc it its a fail as is
do u think if he used a confederate flag in the jars, it would germinate faster 
ok are we just talking stupid or are we havng a real discussion
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many people on here are unreasonable.
the GOOD people on here are not. they will see some crazy advice or method, and just wanna see pics. i don't think thats too much to ask 
its kind of silly to say "this is what i did, why isn't it working when it worked before?" and then when someone asks for pictures of how it worked before, to say "trust me, it worked, but i don't have pictures"
that is sketch science, and will be chewed out the ass on mush cult, and for the most part, rightly so.
most people won't say ur lying, but most will think it w/o documentation.
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slartibartfast said: People are going to be skeptical when you describe past success directly innoculating to a bulk substrate from a spore syringe. Not saying it's impossible but i don't recall ever seeing a grow log involving direct inoculation from a SS that worked out so it it is understandable when people think it could be your method rather than your spores that are the problem. On top of that you claimed to have used MS inoculation on bulk with good success in the past which would generally suggest that you would have more experience with spore germinating times on what could only be described as a highly questionable grow method than most people on here have never tried or tried and failed with it. But to answer your question 3-14 days would be normal depending on temperature for spores to germinate. Skeptical bunch on here when it comes to claims of a method used successfully that would be generally considered to be a guaranteed fail without some pictures to back it up. If it works for you thats great but many folks hear would love to see a documented grow where direct inoculation to bulk actually worked. Slart
See. Now that's an answer all the while beingpolite about explaining.why innocing.to bulk is tarded. Good job.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: blindingleaf]
#22238476 - 09/14/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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agreed but i dont always hav pictures of the shit i do that i know wrks and i get shot dwn and called out often but ijust shrug it dude i know it wrks it dnt really matter on the big cuz its not like ur gettn worldwide recg and congrats for ur findings no one even knows who the fuk u are so why even bother posting anythng just do what wrks for u and who cares if people bleeve u or not
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22238485 - 09/14/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just don't enjoy the ridicule is all. I mean I said the same thing. I used to use ms before. Then decided enough was enough. So I made an account. Started some agar and am following rrs tek on grain prep and using coir/verm mix to star off.once I succeed I'll move on to bigger and betters. So far I think what I'm doing is easyest and fool proof.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22238489 - 09/14/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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didn't think so

I dont see the point.
I explained everything I have done.
Im not sure why people here are all talking about a potential problem with my method. There should be absolutely no problems here with my methods used.
I was simply asking on the timeframe of MS syringes. Thanks everyone for the input.
This guy here is having trouble himself, not trying to be a dick about it it's just the way it is, you are simply going about this in the wrong way, grains are our main nutrtion source and our foundation to a good grow, you are a prime example of why people on here are talking potential problems with this method, pasturizing a bulk substrate buys you about a 2 week window give or take and a pasturized sub is very good at fending off competing spores(cubes included) which is why we use mycelium, you guys can say what ya want but nobody is being mean here at all just pointing out the obvious
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: blindingleaf]
#22238529 - 09/14/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: many people on here are unreasonable.
the GOOD people on here are not. they will see some crazy advice or method, and just wanna see pics. i don't think thats too much to ask 
its kind of silly to say "this is what i did, why isn't it working when it worked before?" and then when someone asks for pictures of how it worked before, to say "trust me, it worked, but i don't have pictures"
that is sketch science, and will be chewed out the ass on mush cult, and for the most part, rightly so.
most people won't say ur lying, but most will think it w/o documentation.
That's not at all what happened here.
He asked for pics, he did not ask for pics of my past success.
I didn't say why isn't it working, I said its been this amount of time, what should I expect.
Temp is 65-70 that could be stalling it too.
Why are people calling it 'bulk suvstrate ' that's fucking retarded.
I listed the ingredients. I've used MS to colonize horseshit and straw. Straw spores can begin on
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22238537 - 09/14/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Know what? Ur right. My apologies. Well put cron. An attack is what it seemed like an attack on the poor guy. He's struggling as well but maybe someone needs to explain it in a different way is really all I'm saying
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22238579 - 09/14/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: many people on here are unreasonable.
the GOOD people on here are not. they will see some crazy advice or method, and just wanna see pics. i don't think thats too much to ask 
its kind of silly to say "this is what i did, why isn't it working when it worked before?" and then when someone asks for pictures of how it worked before, to say "trust me, it worked, but i don't have pictures"
that is sketch science, and will be chewed out the ass on mush cult, and for the most part, rightly so.
most people won't say ur lying, but most will think it w/o documentation.
That's not at all what happened here.
He asked for pics, he did not ask for pics of my past success.
I didn't say why isn't it working, I said its been this amount of time, what should I expect.
Temp is 65-70 that could be stalling it too.
Why are people calling it 'bulk suvstrate ' that's fucking retarded.
I listed the ingredients. I've used MS to colonize horseshit and straw. Straw spores can begin on
Look breh. Anything other than grains. Like rye or wbs or anything I can't.think of right now (others please help). Is considered a substrate. That needs to be pasteurized and only last long enough for mycelium to colonize it. Spores take a lot longer to do this so we use sterile grains in jars with filters to keep contams out to germinate them in to grow our myc to then add to bulk sub.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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blindingleaf said: many people on here are unreasonable.
the GOOD people on here are not. they will see some crazy advice or method, and just wanna see pics. i don't think thats too much to ask 
its kind of silly to say "this is what i did, why isn't it working when it worked before?" and then when someone asks for pictures of how it worked before, to say "trust me, it worked, but i don't have pictures"
that is sketch science, and will be chewed out the ass on mush cult, and for the most part, rightly so.
most people won't say ur lying, but most will think it w/o documentation.
That's not at all what happened here.
He asked for pics, he did not ask for pics of my past success.
I didn't say why isn't it working, I said its been this amount of time, what should I expect.
Temp is 65-70 that could be stalling it too.
Why are people calling it 'bulk suvstrate ' that's fucking retarded.
I listed the ingredients. I've used MS to colonize horseshit and straw. Straw spores can begin on
you ever see anybody write a tek without grain spawn? ever seen anything considered a good grow without it? i have not myself
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
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Weather it works or not. No one would ever agree nor reccomend you do it that way. Just saying. So to end it all hopefully. Yes 7 days isn't enough time. It may have germinated but it could be deep inside where u can't see. Wait another week if it gets contaminated or grows. Then u will know. If it does work please post picks we all want to see it happen.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
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i predict mold, if ever i was to try without grain i would sterilize it. as i already said we only have a short window with a pasturized sub and even using grain spawn at 1:4 still takes 10-14 days averag...this has fail written all over it but better luck in the future and i'm done here
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
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Thanks for all the input everyone I will post my results.
I dont agree that the nutrients come from grain because I added Gypsum and Guano, and Horseshit, straw and coco coir has plenty of nutrients to my knowledge.
But yes, thanks for making it clear that you must start MS from grains, but my thought on that was that they could start from Straw, because it is a type of grain.
Which I do have success doing.
I want to make it clear that im not denying the profesionals advice. I was saying that some advice given was short, snappy, and quite negative due to the factual evidence of possible success here with my methods.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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i wasn't trying to be negative i really did want to see somebody who has pulled it off i doubt i ever will though good luck muffing and keep us posted
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
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There is much less worry using rye grain. Its sterile and will stay sterile till u expose it to open air. And it can easyly be broken up and mixed in with bulk. Its just a surefire way of getting through the germ process and knowing u have growth before add to bulk sub. Put it in jars with ur bulk sub and let colonize and u have ur cakes again. Its just safer that way. And grains have more nutrients than u think. But good luck man hope it all works out
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
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If shroomery negative. Thick skin not have. We want to see you succeed. Maybe not as gently as your mother does tho.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: If shroomery negative. Thick skin not have. We want to see you succeed. Maybe not as gently as your mother does tho.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
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He's saying if you think the shroomery is a negative/mean place, then you must be weak/faint of heart. (After all this is the internet..) No matter how mean we may appear to be, ultimately we mean well. We just aren't gonna baby you like your mother would. lol
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
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Omfg small amounts of spores don't germinate on the substrate you listed. You need grains which are super nutritious and sterilized. If you only pasteurized this stuff then there are too many competing organisms for the small amount of spores you used to gain any kind of foothold to colonize.
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Also if you had so much success with it in the past then why are you asking us how long it should take? You clearly have more experience to go off of than us since no one here inoculates shit and coir with a spore syringe. Sure there might be slim and outlier successes with that but most of the trusted cultivators here have never seen a successful grow from pasteurized sub inoculated with a tiny amount of spores. So it's hard to take the idea seriously. Sterilized jars would have worked better I think.
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Im really sorry. Im not trying to come off like an asshole but this thread is painful to read. Did you take ALREADY PASTEURIZED SUBSTRATE and mix in extra stuff and then PASTEURIZE IT ALL A SECOND TIME?
So part of the contents has been pasteurized once while some of the contents has been pasteurized twice?
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elasticaltiger said: Also if you had so much success with it in the past then why are you asking us how long it should take? You clearly have more experience to go off of than us since no one here inoculates shit and coir with a spore syringe. Sure there might be slim and outlier successes with that but most of the trusted cultivators here have never seen a successful grow from pasteurized sub inoculated with a tiny amount of spores. So it's hard to take the idea seriously. Sterilized jars would have worked better I think.
Because I havent done this in small jars. I have only done this in pound bags. Ive done 1 pound bags (blocks) of pasteurized Horseshit/Straw using MS, I only used 2cc and I get fine mycelium growth. In probly 50%+ of the bags.
EDIT: note, my temperatures are 65-70. This would give Mycelium the upper hand as far as my knowledge goes.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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I dont agree that the nutrients come from grain because I added Gypsum and Guano, and Horseshit, straw and coco coir has plenty of nutrients to my knowledge.
But yes, thanks for making it clear that you must start MS from grains, but my thought on that was that they could start from Straw, because it is a type of grain.
There are nutes in straw and coir but far far less than is needed to produce a good flush (What sort of yield did you get on those 1 lb bags?) And straw is not a kind of grain, straw refers to the dry stalk of the plant that wheat seeds develop on and is more a byproduct of grain production seeing that all the seeds (grain) are harvested. Think tomato plant rather than the tomato itself.
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Ok so im going to expect nothing from those jars. But I still think its possible.
Ill be starting from Popcorn grains now and spawning it to these jars or trays.
"There are nutes in straw and coir but far far less than is needed to produce a good flush (What sort of yield did you get on those 1 lb bags?)"
Ingredients: 50% Horseshit/straw 50% Cococoir /1% Guano /1% Gypsum.
Are you really going to list 1/3 of the ingredients and say its not enough nutes....
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
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Ingredients: 50% Horseshit/straw 50% Cococoir /1% Guano /1% Gypsum. That's 102%
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22245564 - 09/16/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm out. Dunno what's going on anymore
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22245821 - 09/16/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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By /1% I mean under, as in unsure of the actual statistical amount
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
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megatacular said: I'm out. Dunno what's going on anymore
Nothing is going on anymore I got my answer on the first page. 
So eh....get the fuck outa here then..
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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i know i was joking lol,mega is on a two week break
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
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Hah, Could try some manure cakes.
Manure, brf/rgsf, vermiculite, water.. @ a 1:1:1:1 ratio (1cup,1cup,1cup,1cup)
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Manure, brf/rgsf, vermiculite, water.. @ a 1:1:1:1 ratio (1cup,1cup,1cup,1cup)
Thats what I should have done.
My fuckin problem is I dont have a PC so I guess Flour is my only option. Cuz I can sterilize flour with steam but not Full grains I guess.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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If you dont have a PC then you definitely shouldn't do popcorn..
If you want to expand in this hobby your going to need invest in a pressure cooker. Simple.
You work bra?
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: If you dont have a PC then you definitely shouldn't do popcorn..
If you want to expand in this hobby your going to need invest in a pressure cooker. Simple.
You work bra?
Ill make god damn flour out of god damn corn then! Fuck!
Ill expand in this god damn hobby without one
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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MajickMuffin said: Ill expand in this god damn hobby without one 

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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
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Psilosoulful I cant tell you how many times I was scanning through a thread and see your Avatar, think Bassfreak is back. I have to take a second look to assure myself that this place isnt ruined.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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MajickMuffin said: Psilosoulful I cant tell you how many times I was scanning through a thread and see your Avatar, think Bassfreak is back. I have to take a second look to assure myself that this place isnt ruined.

He had that same avatar? I had no idea
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
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No not the same, but its a Bear that looks like that one.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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I dont see it..
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I dont see it..
Its an association type thing....ever take a psychology class or are you still in FUCKING high school!?
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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...?? I was just "joshin" bro. Dont be so tempermental
But to answer your question no, Im not in HS. Im in college majoring in microbiology. Futhermore, I have my certification as a MA. & currently work in a family practice.
Step it up, kid
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: ...?? I was just "joshin" bro. Dont be so tempermental
But to answer your question no, Im not in HS. Im in college majoring in microbiology. Futhermore, I have my certification as a MA. & currently work in a family practice.
Step it up, kid
I was just 'joshin' too
Dont be so sensitive I get good laughs out of being harsh. 
Mod edit: let's keep the racism out
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
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