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megatacular
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22238579 - 09/14/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: many people on here are unreasonable.
the GOOD people on here are not. they will see some crazy advice or method, and just wanna see pics. i don't think thats too much to ask 
its kind of silly to say "this is what i did, why isn't it working when it worked before?" and then when someone asks for pictures of how it worked before, to say "trust me, it worked, but i don't have pictures"
that is sketch science, and will be chewed out the ass on mush cult, and for the most part, rightly so.
most people won't say ur lying, but most will think it w/o documentation.
That's not at all what happened here.
He asked for pics, he did not ask for pics of my past success.
I didn't say why isn't it working, I said its been this amount of time, what should I expect.
Temp is 65-70 that could be stalling it too.
Why are people calling it 'bulk suvstrate ' that's fucking retarded.
I listed the ingredients. I've used MS to colonize horseshit and straw. Straw spores can begin on
Look breh. Anything other than grains. Like rye or wbs or anything I can't.think of right now (others please help). Is considered a substrate. That needs to be pasteurized and only last long enough for mycelium to colonize it. Spores take a lot longer to do this so we use sterile grains in jars with filters to keep contams out to germinate them in to grow our myc to then add to bulk sub.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22238585 - 09/14/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said:
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blindingleaf said: many people on here are unreasonable.
the GOOD people on here are not. they will see some crazy advice or method, and just wanna see pics. i don't think thats too much to ask 
its kind of silly to say "this is what i did, why isn't it working when it worked before?" and then when someone asks for pictures of how it worked before, to say "trust me, it worked, but i don't have pictures"
that is sketch science, and will be chewed out the ass on mush cult, and for the most part, rightly so.
most people won't say ur lying, but most will think it w/o documentation.
That's not at all what happened here.
He asked for pics, he did not ask for pics of my past success.
I didn't say why isn't it working, I said its been this amount of time, what should I expect.
Temp is 65-70 that could be stalling it too.
Why are people calling it 'bulk suvstrate ' that's fucking retarded.
I listed the ingredients. I've used MS to colonize horseshit and straw. Straw spores can begin on
you ever see anybody write a tek without grain spawn? ever seen anything considered a good grow without it? i have not myself
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megatacular
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22238603 - 09/14/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Weather it works or not. No one would ever agree nor reccomend you do it that way. Just saying. So to end it all hopefully. Yes 7 days isn't enough time. It may have germinated but it could be deep inside where u can't see. Wait another week if it gets contaminated or grows. Then u will know. If it does work please post picks we all want to see it happen.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22238609 - 09/14/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i predict mold, if ever i was to try without grain i would sterilize it. as i already said we only have a short window with a pasturized sub and even using grain spawn at 1:4 still takes 10-14 days averag...this has fail written all over it but better luck in the future and i'm done here
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22238623 - 09/14/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22238702 - 09/14/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the input everyone I will post my results.
I dont agree that the nutrients come from grain because I added Gypsum and Guano, and Horseshit, straw and coco coir has plenty of nutrients to my knowledge.
But yes, thanks for making it clear that you must start MS from grains, but my thought on that was that they could start from Straw, because it is a type of grain.
Which I do have success doing.
I want to make it clear that im not denying the profesionals advice. I was saying that some advice given was short, snappy, and quite negative due to the factual evidence of possible success here with my methods.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22238713 - 09/14/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i wasn't trying to be negative i really did want to see somebody who has pulled it off i doubt i ever will though good luck muffing and keep us posted
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: cronicr]
#22238795 - 09/14/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is much less worry using rye grain. Its sterile and will stay sterile till u expose it to open air. And it can easyly be broken up and mixed in with bulk. Its just a surefire way of getting through the germ process and knowing u have growth before add to bulk sub. Put it in jars with ur bulk sub and let colonize and u have ur cakes again. Its just safer that way. And grains have more nutrients than u think. But good luck man hope it all works out
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22238816 - 09/14/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If shroomery negative. Thick skin not have. We want to see you succeed. Maybe not as gently as your mother does tho.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: bodhisatta]
#22238835 - 09/14/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If shroomery negative. Thick skin not have. We want to see you succeed. Maybe not as gently as your mother does tho.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22238877 - 09/14/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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He's saying if you think the shroomery is a negative/mean place, then you must be weak/faint of heart. (After all this is the internet..) No matter how mean we may appear to be, ultimately we mean well. We just aren't gonna baby you like your mother would. lol
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Ah. Gotcha.
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22239370 - 09/15/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Omfg small amounts of spores don't germinate on the substrate you listed. You need grains which are super nutritious and sterilized. If you only pasteurized this stuff then there are too many competing organisms for the small amount of spores you used to gain any kind of foothold to colonize.
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Also if you had so much success with it in the past then why are you asking us how long it should take? You clearly have more experience to go off of than us since no one here inoculates shit and coir with a spore syringe. Sure there might be slim and outlier successes with that but most of the trusted cultivators here have never seen a successful grow from pasteurized sub inoculated with a tiny amount of spores. So it's hard to take the idea seriously. Sterilized jars would have worked better I think.
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Im really sorry. Im not trying to come off like an asshole but this thread is painful to read. Did you take ALREADY PASTEURIZED SUBSTRATE and mix in extra stuff and then PASTEURIZE IT ALL A SECOND TIME?
So part of the contents has been pasteurized once while some of the contents has been pasteurized twice?
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elasticaltiger said: Also if you had so much success with it in the past then why are you asking us how long it should take? You clearly have more experience to go off of than us since no one here inoculates shit and coir with a spore syringe. Sure there might be slim and outlier successes with that but most of the trusted cultivators here have never seen a successful grow from pasteurized sub inoculated with a tiny amount of spores. So it's hard to take the idea seriously. Sterilized jars would have worked better I think.
Because I havent done this in small jars. I have only done this in pound bags. Ive done 1 pound bags (blocks) of pasteurized Horseshit/Straw using MS, I only used 2cc and I get fine mycelium growth. In probly 50%+ of the bags.
EDIT: note, my temperatures are 65-70. This would give Mycelium the upper hand as far as my knowledge goes.
Edited by MajickMuffin (09/15/15 08:35 AM)
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22242951 - 09/15/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont agree that the nutrients come from grain because I added Gypsum and Guano, and Horseshit, straw and coco coir has plenty of nutrients to my knowledge.
But yes, thanks for making it clear that you must start MS from grains, but my thought on that was that they could start from Straw, because it is a type of grain.
There are nutes in straw and coir but far far less than is needed to produce a good flush (What sort of yield did you get on those 1 lb bags?) And straw is not a kind of grain, straw refers to the dry stalk of the plant that wheat seeds develop on and is more a byproduct of grain production seeing that all the seeds (grain) are harvested. Think tomato plant rather than the tomato itself.
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MajickMuffin
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Ok so im going to expect nothing from those jars. But I still think its possible.
Ill be starting from Popcorn grains now and spawning it to these jars or trays.
"There are nutes in straw and coir but far far less than is needed to produce a good flush (What sort of yield did you get on those 1 lb bags?)"
Ingredients: 50% Horseshit/straw 50% Cococoir /1% Guano /1% Gypsum.
Are you really going to list 1/3 of the ingredients and say its not enough nutes....
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22244570 - 09/16/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 7+days no sign of Growth in jars [Re: megatacular]
#22245399 - 09/16/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ingredients: 50% Horseshit/straw 50% Cococoir /1% Guano /1% Gypsum. That's 102%
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