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TrippyDog18
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Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote?
#22232209 - 09/13/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always see people claiming that a trip was enlightening/peak into higher dimension/ascension etc. the vernacular used is irrelevant because we are all talking about the same thing. Those moments of a trip where it feels like we are connecting with a whole and know everything yet can't hold convo with someone sober or do remedial things like tie shoes or work the TV.
Well after lots of trips and then accessing those experiences honestly and objectively, I can say that it is the complete opposite. These experiences are when are mind is so blown on drugs that we know NOTHING, which (while high) feels like you know EVERYTHING because all connections make sense. Especially with DMT, we get so "high" more accurately "low" that our brain begins anthropomorphizing our own subconscious and environment. This is what people call "meeting God" .
This is not to say that drugs aren't useful for seeing different perspectives in life. Psychedelics have helped me reach great success in dog psychology and horse training by allowing me to understand body language(a lower communication) intimately. Drugs have taught me not to think in the moment but to feel it insteAd. This way I don't begin to guess the future and therefore influence with my own body language.
ANYWAY, just wanted to put this out their that enlightenment to me is going "low" and more basic instead of "high" and more complex and divine.
Any thoughts?
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Bigfeely123
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: TrippyDog18]
#22232380 - 09/13/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let me ask you, are you on drugs right now?
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rajabrokes
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: TrippyDog18]
#22232492 - 09/13/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Firstly, for me high doses of LSD or DOC are entirely different than high doses of mushrooms or DMT, ayahuasca, ho mipt, etc.
I agree in some ways even though I don't understand the kind of language you used to describe something so vague and with such confidence in your assumptions about getting really far out there on psychedelics in general.
When up is down there is no telling what a person can access or what is possible. Let's not oversimplify things like how the human brain works is all I am saying. For example, for many people high dose lsd tends to prove your statements ironic and neither here nor there.
Though I see what you are saying, but only to the point where obviously mushrooms can disorient a person in some very profound ways. You could be talking to the metatron or so high on the same dose that you can't speak. So your ideas strike me as totally interesting because that is the irony of high doses. They tend to go both ways. Not this high and low you speak of or your perception of how psychedelic "complexity" works. I love your effort to explain this type of thing though.
Like how a huge dose of LSD can cause a person to think in such an insanely complex holographic tapestry of ways that they are disoriented to the point of not being able to speak. That same dose can induce an inspired capacity to speak and think. There is no question this is true, negating much of what you said. Nobody understands what happens when a smart person takes a shitload of LSD. It's magical with borderline telepathy and time travel. Seemingly crazy things like Juxtaposed mental time-travel during heavy time dilation that seems to break the rules of physics as it pertains to "mind" and the order in which we think governed by our perception of time. Encountering things that we don't have words to explain. And much more insane observations that are very much real. The hierarchy of overminds could just as easily laugh like elves in unison bouncing off your walls at the idea that you can map out the experience using words like high and low to describe the complexity that is "out there" for you to access. So from what I gather, the answer is yes mushrooms, lsd and dmt can be disorienting, but the mental topology you occupy on high doses is not so simple to describe. As to where the complexity lies etc.
It's an interesting subject and I just wanted to give my take on what you are saying.
-------------------- Really though we are not living in a scientific or technological age. Today human life is dominated by a hateful and greedy form of stasis which stands in the way of a coming technological age. One where there is hope for the future for example, instead of fear.
Edited by rajabrokes (09/13/15 04:20 PM)
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22232519 - 09/13/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The crazy shit I was just explaining reminds me of Einstein and how he explained that his idea of God granted him probably the best guess work in our galaxy. A sort of space-time travel really. Einstein being an artist of sorts. A psychedelic artist of math. Beamed down to him. Within himself. Like extracting something most people can't see or understand. He blamed God and as we can see, it was good.
-------------------- Really though we are not living in a scientific or technological age. Today human life is dominated by a hateful and greedy form of stasis which stands in the way of a coming technological age. One where there is hope for the future for example, instead of fear.
Edited by rajabrokes (09/13/15 04:27 PM)
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22232563 - 09/13/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even reminds me of how Banisteriopsis caapi supposedly informed the people of what benign looking plant to use with it.
I'm one of those people who gets highly psychedelic using only the vine. So maybe I believe in magic, or what we might not understand and call magic. Like the "magic" you'll find in a highly involved physics book. Particle physics revealing real life magic, or what we would have previously called "magic" or "impossible".
-------------------- Really though we are not living in a scientific or technological age. Today human life is dominated by a hateful and greedy form of stasis which stands in the way of a coming technological age. One where there is hope for the future for example, instead of fear.
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Bigfeely123
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22232570 - 09/13/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Unfortunately I did not understand what OP was trying to explain. (The reason for my first comment.)
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TrippyDog18
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: Bigfeely123]
#22232619 - 09/13/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Bigfeely123 said: Let me ask you, are you on drugs right now?

Haha. Actually, no. I'm coming off a year long break from tripping. Haven't even been using cannabis. Just came back with some DMT usage. Raja I used to have your same perspective and do in some regards; I just disagree about the whole " beaming from God" stuff. To my knowledge no one has gained any info from a trip, but they have reformatted info already in their head. I have never seen someone become more intelligent when under the influence of any psychedelic when I was a sober outside observer. Have you? I would love to hear about it. Can you provide a link to info where ayahuasca shamans didn't just use trial and error over time to assemble their brews.?
Don't get me wrong I feel and see the magic; I just feel and see it all the time now. From my understanding , these drugs make it seem like they cause it just because they give us such a novel angle to see it from. This is why overuse will "lose the magic". Novelty wears off
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TrippyDog18
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: Bigfeely123]
#22232632 - 09/13/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bigfeely123 said: Unfortunately I did not understand what OP was trying to explain. (The reason for my first comment.)
In a nutshell, psychedelics offer a lower more primal lower state of intelligence and not an enlightened higher state of intelligence while on them. I feel that understanding this makes them a more useful applicable tool for acclimation into sober life.
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rajabrokes
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: TrippyDog18]
#22232668 - 09/13/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
TrippyDog18 said:
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Bigfeely123 said: Unfortunately I did not understand what OP was trying to explain. (The reason for my first comment.)
In a nutshell, psychedelics offer a lower more primal lower state of intelligence and not an enlightened higher state of intelligence while on them. I feel that understanding this makes them a more useful applicable tool for acclimation into sober life.
That is inherently false but one hell of a way to get sober. Sober is good. Keep it up yo!
-------------------- Really though we are not living in a scientific or technological age. Today human life is dominated by a hateful and greedy form of stasis which stands in the way of a coming technological age. One where there is hope for the future for example, instead of fear.
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22232948 - 09/13/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look, in my opinion psychedelics dont really enlighten the user. But they do point out the simple yet blatant peace, clarity, gratitude, and beauty that is often beyond words which we experience in day to day life. Often times we are too caught up to see true beauty. Every moment is a miracle and psychedelics remind me of this. simply dropiing acid isnt enough for a sserious life change though
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Re: Enlightenment on psychedelics, then why can't I figure out the TV remote? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22232985 - 09/13/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psychedelics enhance certain types of thinking, most of which are not used in everyday life. They do, however, have numerous applications in philosophy, science, psychology, art, and many other fields. This radical shift in perspective can be so complex and foreign that it can make you feel confused and stupid. The knowledge gained from the use of psychedelics must be reconciled with your normal way of thinking (integrated) before it can be useful.
-------------------- Think, it ain't illegal yet. - George Clinton Substances I have allegedly taken: Cannabis (bud, edibles, and concentrates), Mushrooms (P. Cubensis), LSD, ETH-LAD, ALD-52, DMT, MDMA, Mescaline (Peruvian Torch), 25I-NBOMe, Salvia Divinorum (10x), Syrian Rue, Amanita Muscaria (10x), Cocaine, Nightshade (Henbane). All posts are hypothetical or entirely fictional.
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