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Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE.
#22232045 - 09/13/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi all, I used to practice OOBE and lucid dreaming when I was 14-17 and had much success with lucid dreaming and some with OOBE. However, I stopped developing my skills in this matter as I was getting really bad experiences which lasted all nights long: waking up in sleep paralysis, feeling the blanket being slowly pulled off me, and more terryfing thing which left me exhausted after several months of losing sleep.
Last night I "woke up" to a spontaneous partial OOBE. I felt completely weigthless. Both of my legs were floating 1 foot above the bed. I could feel/see it. It is hard to describe. Also I cannot remember it very well as it lasted only a short while.
I decided to try and leave my body completely. I started focusing and "imagining" movement towards the left. My whole body then immediately started vibrating in a very specific way. It felt like there was some resistance. But I managed to "move" nearly completely out of my body.
Then the fear kicked in. Instantly I feared meeting some evil entities, demons or aliens. I could not overcome this fear and returned to my body, then woke up in my physical body.
I don't know how to overcome this fear. Any ideas what should I do? Are there really some evil entities to be met during OOBE? If yes, how to make them go away? Or should I face them if they are really there?
And finally, what is OOBE, is this in fact just a form of dream? Back in the days I believed that we have souls etc. but recently I'm not convinced. Is there any strong evidence which I have missed?
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22232107 - 09/13/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No reaso. To be afraid of your own mind! There are no external "evil entities" only outward projections of your subconscious mind. If your mind is making these projections that vivid and real I would make peace with them since clearly you are out of balance right now(they represent so kind of tension or upheaval). Imo
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22232127 - 09/13/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr. Delban said: Hi all, I used to practice OOBE and lucid dreaming when I was 14-17 and had much success with lucid dreaming and some with OOBE. However, I stopped developing my skills in this matter as I was getting really bad experiences which lasted all nights long: waking up in sleep paralysis, feeling the blanket being slowly pulled off me, and more terryfing thing which left me exhausted after several months of losing sleep.
Last night I "woke up" to a spontaneous partial OOBE. I felt completely weigthless. Both of my legs were floating 1 foot above the bed. I could feel/see it. It is hard to describe. Also I cannot remember it very well as it lasted only a short while.
I decided to try and leave my body completely. I started focusing and "imagining" movement towards the left. My whole body then immediately started vibrating in a very specific way. It felt like there was some resistance. But I managed to "move" nearly completely out of my body.
Then the fear kicked in. Instantly I feared meeting some evil entities, demons or aliens. I could not overcome this fear and returned to my body, then woke up in my physical body.
I don't know how to overcome this fear. Any ideas what should I do? Are there really some evil entities to be met during OOBE? If yes, how to make them go away? Or should I face them if they are really there?
And finally, what is OOBE, is this in fact just a form of dream? Back in the days I believed that we have souls etc. but recently I'm not convinced. Is there any strong evidence which I have missed?
If you are doing something that you are not to be doing, when the soul explores when the body is resting, then you are being sent to the realm of death. And so undo what you are not suppose to be doing.
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Douglas Howard]
#22232142 - 09/13/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr. Delban said: Hi all, I used to practice OOBE and lucid dreaming when I was 14-17 and had much success with lucid dreaming and some with OOBE. However, I stopped developing my skills in this matter as I was getting really bad experiences which lasted all nights long: waking up in sleep paralysis, feeling the blanket being slowly pulled off me, and more terryfing thing which left me exhausted after several months of losing sleep.
Last night I "woke up" to a spontaneous partial OOBE. I felt completely weigthless. Both of my legs were floating 1 foot above the bed. I could feel/see it. It is hard to describe. Also I cannot remember it very well as it lasted only a short while.
I decided to try and leave my body completely. I started focusing and "imagining" movement towards the left. My whole body then immediately started vibrating in a very specific way. It felt like there was some resistance. But I managed to "move" nearly completely out of my body.
Then the fear kicked in. Instantly I feared meeting some evil entities, demons or aliens. I could not overcome this fear and returned to my body, then woke up in my physical body.
I don't know how to overcome this fear. Any ideas what should I do? Are there really some evil entities to be met during OOBE? If yes, how to make them go away? Or should I face them if they are really there?
And finally, what is OOBE, is this in fact just a form of dream? Back in the days I believed that we have souls etc. but recently I'm not convinced. Is there any strong evidence which I have missed?
If you are doing something that you are not to be doing, when the soul explores when the body is resting, then you are being sent to the realm of death. And so undo what you are not suppose to be doing.
What is it then that I am not to be doing? I don't get it.
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22232306 - 09/13/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr. Delban said: Hi all, I used to practice OOBE and lucid dreaming when I was 14-17 and had much success with lucid dreaming and some with OOBE. However, I stopped developing my skills in this matter as I was getting really bad experiences which lasted all nights long: waking up in sleep paralysis, feeling the blanket being slowly pulled off me, and more terryfing thing which left me exhausted after several months of losing sleep.
Last night I "woke up" to a spontaneous partial OOBE. I felt completely weigthless. Both of my legs were floating 1 foot above the bed. I could feel/see it. It is hard to describe. Also I cannot remember it very well as it lasted only a short while.
I decided to try and leave my body completely. I started focusing and "imagining" movement towards the left. My whole body then immediately started vibrating in a very specific way. It felt like there was some resistance. But I managed to "move" nearly completely out of my body.
Then the fear kicked in. Instantly I feared meeting some evil entities, demons or aliens. I could not overcome this fear and returned to my body, then woke up in my physical body.
I don't know how to overcome this fear. Any ideas what should I do? Are there really some evil entities to be met during OOBE? If yes, how to make them go away? Or should I face them if they are really there?
And finally, what is OOBE, is this in fact just a form of dream? Back in the days I believed that we have souls etc. but recently I'm not convinced. Is there any strong evidence which I have missed?
If you are doing something that you are not to be doing, when the soul explores when the body is resting, then you are being sent to the realm of death. And so undo what you are not suppose to be doing.
What is it then that I am not to be doing? I don't get it.
We are all doing something that we are not suppose to be doing, but if we are doing without having any remorse feelings inside of us, but loving it, that makes us a sinner. But sometimes it could be a warning sign that you are going down the wrong road and trying to get your attention to bring you back.
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Douglas Howard]
#22232401 - 09/13/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you trying to say that subconsciously I am trying to stop myself from having an OOBE?
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22233154 - 09/13/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please be aware Douglas Howard posts a lot of fundamentalist-type Christian statements on this board.
The entities and events like your blanket being pulled down are fear tests. This is all a mental construct. If you acknowledge the entities and events as fear tests, the construct allows you to leave your body and explore the "broader reality" as it gets called. I don't know why there are tests like these, perhaps it is an intellectual thing, to see if you can figure out it's just a test.
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22235020 - 09/13/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Genesis 32:24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Douglas Howard]
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22235431 - 09/14/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ask who sent them.
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Eggtimer]
#22235488 - 09/14/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And finally, what is OOBE, is this in fact just a form of dream?
OOBE is astral projecting part of your soul into the spirit realm. You do this every night when you dream, though usually without you being aware of it.
Not all beings that mess wioth you in sleep paralysis are evil. Some examine you, give you a message, want to play with you or be sexual with you.
FEAR AND DOUBT ARE SUSCEPTIBILITIES TO EVIL.
If you fear and doubt you open up sides of you that evil entities can latch onto. Your negative emotions are their hold over you. Meet evil with faith hope and love and you will overpower it.
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Asante]
#22238009 - 09/14/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Dr. Delban -
you might get better answers at the MBT forums for OOB stuff Its run by Thomas Campbell, a physicist who worked with Robert Monroe perfecting their OOB procedures.
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/index.php
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22238260 - 09/14/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's a video that is on Hulu plus that speak about the spiritual realm in an scientific way; it is called Beyond / death. It talks about orbs that comes out of the mind when we die but they calls this energy bio-plasma or cerebal plasma, but it is about 6 energy forces that they had discovered. But these researchers weren't intending to prove the scriptures in the Bible are true, but these scientist just stumbled into it, finding out that the scriptures are true, that there's an spiritual realm and it can be proven.
http://www.beyondtheseries.com/
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Douglas Howard]
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I'm starting to explore the possible existence of some kind of "less than good" presence in my DMT experiences. I took DMT for the first time 3 days ago(25 years of psychedelics, but I'm brand new to DMT). This is interesting for sure, I seem to be of the opinion right now that there is something creepy lurking in at least one, maybe 2 of the 3 worlds I've visited while under the influence of DMT. Nothing overtly evil, but it seemed to be right there on the horizon waiting to attack if I made the wrong move.
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: GeoDMT]
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GeoDMT said: I'm starting to explore the possible existence of some kind of "less than good" presence in my DMT experiences. I took DMT for the first time 3 days ago(25 years of psychedelics, but I'm brand new to DMT). This is interesting for sure, I seem to be of the opinion right now that there is something creepy lurking in at least one, maybe 2 of the 3 worlds I've visited while under the influence of DMT. Nothing overtly evil, but it seemed to be right there on the horizon waiting to attack if I made the wrong move.
Maybe you're a reflection of the cosmos and what you see is a part of you, you don't admit it exists in yourself. Irreducible Rascality That sinister element in us all where does it come from....
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Eggtimer]
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GeoDMT said: I'm starting to explore the possible existence of some kind of "less than good" presence in my DMT experiences. I took DMT for the first time 3 days ago(25 years of psychedelics, but I'm brand new to DMT). This is interesting for sure, I seem to be of the opinion right now that there is something creepy lurking in at least one, maybe 2 of the 3 worlds I've visited while under the influence of DMT. Nothing overtly evil, but it seemed to be right there on the horizon waiting to attack if I made the wrong move.
Maybe you're a reflection of the cosmos and what you see is a part of you, you don't admit it exists in yourself. Irreducible Rascality That sinister element in us all where does it come from....
What you just said might be the answer to the situation. Now that I think about it, it's almost as if the creepy feeling I have could be the feeling I'd get if I was hunting myself.... just slightly on edge of what's just over the horizon
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: GeoDMT]
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What you just said might be the answer to the situation. Now that I think about it, it's almost as if the creepy feeling I have could be the feeling I'd get if I was hunting myself.... just slightly on edge of what's just over the horizon
I know the feeling. I used to fear DMT even though I liked it. When I was there I just couldn't help but want to escape. I felt like I was getting lost or disappearing. Since I've taken a more I'm a reflection of the universe view(with the help of mediation on self and self-inquiry) the last breakthrough I had there was no fear or feeling like I was disappearing in fact there was this overwhelming feeling of self-discovery/liberation(welcome home, you finally know). I finally knew what it was, it was me. Not the egoic me but the highest self that is everything, simple consciousness or awareness.
Most people live their whole lives only identified with the ego(I). I did. I didn't even think I really had an ego oh boi was I wrong. Once you stop identifying with that reality transforms. You have no fear, no anxiety, no worries, everything turns into beauty, I see myself in everyone, I care for everyone and everything so much more than I thought was possible.
Here are some quotes from another post that may help with understanding. When I first heard about this kind of stuff I instantly would dismiss it because it just sounded so odd and I took it too literally. (The only people who ruin the game by flipping tables are the people who take it too seriously ) The world is full of those people right now
Here's a great Jung quote.
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Most people confuse "self-knowledge" with knowledge of their conscious ego-personalities. Anyone who has any ego-consciousness at all takes it for granted that he knows himself. But the ego knows only it's own contents, not the unconscious and it's contents. People measure their self-knowledge by what the average person in their social environment knows of himself, but not by the real psychic facts which are for the most part hidden from them. In this respect the psyche behaves like the body, of whose physiological and anatomical structure the average person knows very little too. Although he lives in it and with it , most of it is totally unknown to the layman, and special scientific knowledge is needed to acquaint consciousness with what is know of the body, not to speak of all that is not known, which also exists.
From the Katha Upanishad Good being like the highest self(love and compassion for all) and the dear being the ego(selfish and petty)
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Different is the good and different is the dear, they both, having different aims, fetter you men; He, who chooses for himself the good, comes to wellbeing, he, who chooses the dear, loses the goal.
The good and the dear approach the man, The wise man, pondering over both, distinguishes them; The wise one chooses the good over the dear, The fool, acquisitive and craving, chooses the dear.
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He (the Atman), difficult to be seen, full of mystery, the Ancient, primaeval one, concealed deep within, He who, by yoga means of meditation on his self, comprehends Atman within him as God, He leaves joy and sorrow far behind.
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Rise, awake! Having obtained these boons, understand them! Like the Razor's sharp edge is difficult to traverse, The path to one's Self is difficult.
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Know that the Atman is the rider in the chariot, and the body is the chariot, Know that the Buddhi (intelligence, ability to reason) is the charioteer, and Manas (mind) is the reins.
The senses are called the horses, the objects of the senses are their paths, Formed out of the union of the Atman, the senses and the mind, him they call the "enjoyer".

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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Eggtimer]
#22244508 - 09/16/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm.
But honestly you're not having these experiences without a reason. The universe is a conscious mental construct. It probably deems you worthy or sensitive enough spiritually to explore something it has built.
The OBEs are spontaneous probably because then you are completely unprepared for what is happening and the construct can see how you react. But if you just acknowledge the entities or situation as a test... if you calm down straight away and say, okay, here it is again, it's just seeing if I trust myself enough not to account all this to superstition and wake up suddenly and go to church because, hey, demons are real! ... and you sort of say to yourself, "I get it", the entities will disappear or the situation will neutralise and you will be able to get up and out of your bed - into a parallel of some sort of this reality. A double of it, perhaps.
The sensation is ultra-weird, you move around like some higher dimensional object. It's like childhood sometimes, like coming home other times. Actually it's more likely you will recognise the place than not, it probably is our home. Mystery is everywhere, design is everywhere. You will see an approximation or blueprint of your house but with strangely placed objects from your past in it, as if your whole life is some kind of meaningful construction or story. If you can get outside before waking up/returning to the body, which I keep struggling to do, your neighbour's dog will be 'sensed' as some cardboard cut-out running on clockwork or something. It's so bizarre. Everything gets represented symbolically or something. It does, however, seem more real and more of 'substance' than our present reality.
Good luck just keep trying every time it happens to recognise you are in a different reality and you are being tested to see if you are ready/worthy/spiritually genuine enough to visit these sacred grounds.
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: circastes]
#22245258 - 09/16/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks all, I think I got outlines of a plan now.
I must not fear anything. If I meet entities I will blast them off with a swirling ball of energy, which I will generate using my mind. Or just tell them to leave me alone and go elsewhere. I will also place a protective bubble of energy around my physical body, to keep them away.
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Re: Overcoming fear of evil entities during OOBE. [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22250908 - 09/17/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try overcoming the fear while not having a OBE so that ur starting fresh each time. The entities stay as long as your fears do.
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