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OfflineDeiymiyan
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Hiding Something... Are you?
    #2223124 - 01/06/04 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This post is an amalgamation of two members' posts of this Forum:

1- Mixomatosis's: Do you hold back ideas or beliefs on this forum?; and,

2- Frog's: Thief.


I'll wager that many members here are not afraid to 'stand trial' and defend their stance or belief..

I do, however, agree that NOT EVERYTHING is being presented.



And I don't blame you...



Why should you?



Just to have a vantage point that you have been working on so hard...  Stolen?




By...  a thief?  :eek:





See..  When it comes to theft,  REAL PHYSICAL belongings are not the only things that can be taken by 'predators'...

Ideas and beliefs can be also.




The question isn't really that concerning bad vs. good...  For, I agree with Shroomism that good is good, and bad is good... [A necessary balancing act]..


What it seems to stem down to, is RESPECT for what is not yours,  when it,  in fact, IS someone else's.


It would be the same to me, for example, if someone stole my car, or simply vandalized it completely beyond repair...  I'd still have 'lost' it. :shake:






In order to have the drive to REALLY SHARE, you need TRUST.



To share trust, you need to share RESPECT.




But, concerning these Forums, HOW can trust be established?

...When  even copywright LAWS are not RESPECTED.


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2223163 - 01/06/04 03:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I hold back little.

Sorry people, I won't be giving out my Social Security number and credit card information. :frown:


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2223322 - 01/06/04 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:thumbup:


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2223330 - 01/06/04 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know where you live. PM me for sclorch's address and phone number...


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2223404 - 01/06/04 04:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Deiymiyan said:
I'll wager that many members here are not afraid to 'stand trial' and defend their stance or belief..





I'd love to stand trial for my beliefs! :grin:


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OfflineDeiymiyan
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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Swami]
    #2223408 - 01/06/04 04:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like the Lion has you dangling by the tail Sclorch.. 

:oogle:

" My..  What BIG TEETH you have ! "


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OfflineDeiymiyan
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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: pattern]
    #2223575 - 01/06/04 05:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

pattern said:
Quote:

Deiymiyan said:
I'll wager that many members here are not afraid to 'stand trial' and defend their stance or belief..





I'd love to stand trial for my beliefs! :grin:




:thumbup:

Yes, you do show courage pattern.



The three of you who have lengthened this thread...  You are all great filters and contributors! 

In all honesty, I'm glad you guys are the heavy hitters that you are!

:laugh:


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2223640 - 01/06/04 05:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

All my knowledge is available for anyone who wants it - free of charge. I understand the concept of intellectual property, and I don't hold anything against a person who wishes to keep something of theirs to themselves.

But I am not like that :smirk:

Do you think I spend all my time thinking so I can take those thoughts to my grave?


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: trendal]
    #2223750 - 01/06/04 06:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

trendal, I am always glad when you share your thoughts.  You always put things in a different light than the way I am used to thinking,  and it causes me to think a little differently.    :smile:


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: trendal]
    #2223814 - 01/06/04 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
All my knowledge is available for anyone who wants it - free of charge. I understand the concept of intellectual property, and I don't hold anything against a person who wishes to keep something of theirs to themselves.

But I am not like that :smirk:

Do you think I spend all my time thinking so I can take those thoughts to my grave?





Absolutely NOT !  This was not about being 'stingy' with info.  I think you have a very fine mind as well!  I'm glad you joined this thread also.


Same with Frog.  She has a very interesting vantage point on every subject she touches upon.



There is now six of us 'in this thread'.


Suppose that we all worked hard on a very particular theory; isolated some variables; attempted experiments; and hopefully came up with some solutions. 

Say we discussed our honest work here because we had no other way of meeting [We all live in different parts of the globe].


And along comes a 'connected' writer..  Someone without scruples..  And takes our info,  and has it published while pawning it off as their own..


Wouldn't we feel robbed?  Foolish?

Even if we shared this info with the best of intentions..



Here's the thing..  And I'm not really sure if there is an answer or not..  Perhaps one of you may know...


How can trust be built among the Forums?


Is it even possible?


Or is this place destined only for mental masturbation ?


Or is there some kind of code of Honour that can ensure protection?


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2223885 - 01/06/04 07:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you come up with something good a lot of people a lot writers will steal it.

You can always point to this forum and say, Hey that was my idea, But if its a good idea they tend to spread very quickly and the real trick is implementing a good idea thats where the hard work gets done... 1% inspiration 99% mind numbing labor.

I really don't beleive ideas can be stolen. That the whole idea of copyrights is lame and artificial, but its the world we live in.


Edited by falcon (01/06/04 08:26 PM)


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2223950 - 01/06/04 08:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ive thought about this. Someone taking my ideas, probably not that they would take them anyway, but if they did, i would hope they would make a positive impact. I may never get those ideas out there myself, and if i did make it big, i would be able to stand stronger than someone who had stolen my information, given that i am the original source  :grin: ... well, technically :wink:  :laugh:


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2224057 - 01/06/04 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

THAT is a very interesting angle Zero7a1 !  Great point!

:thumbup:


Perhaps it's really who you are with, as in a group?  I mean, if you have a large and strong influencial group formed, you get the acknowledgement?

For example, Columbus 'discovered' America only because the Vikings were less 'mainstream' during their time, or less popular than Chris was later on?  Or is it just because Mr Columbus was supported by Royalty...  [Hence the importance of forming or interacting with a/ an  large/ influencial group..]


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2224113 - 01/06/04 09:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have written many things for publication, given speeches, and posted my ideas and writing on this thread.

I dislike the idea of people making money off of intellectual property, and if someone stole my ideas I would not care. They would just spread my ideas further and maybe they would have an impact.


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2224128 - 01/06/04 09:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If someone took any of my ideas, not that there's been anything original, but if there was, and ran with them and used them, I'd be pleased that there was something that I was thinking after all.  :grin:


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2224170 - 01/06/04 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would like to think that if someone "stole" an idea of mine and published it as their own...it would not bother me! This has never happened to me, so I can't be sure...but in general this type of thing does not bother me at all. In reality I prefer to not be in the limelight. I would actually prefer to be the creator of the theory, but have someone else be the implementor and take the credit.

Though I must admit, I would want them to give me at least some credit :wink:


Trust on the Forums? I don't think it's impossible...and not even unlikely! Relationships of all kinds can and do form here just as strongly as they do in "the real world".

Also, I would expect anyone whom I work with on here to keep records of our work, just as I would (will!). :wink:


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2224329 - 01/06/04 10:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have been through these problems when I made a website dedicated a rock band (Mudvayne). Many things on that website were my own original creations such as graphics, articles, interpretation of songs, etc. and it was starting to become quite a popular website (about 10,000 visitors in 5 months). Then all of a sudden I began to stumble upon other fansites which directly took stuff from my site and put it on theirs and gave no due credit. Long story short, I decided to close my site down since I didn't care enough to get involved with copyright laws and I felt like I was getting ripped off. Yea, that was my ego talking and I admit it, I wanted my site to get the attention it deserved and not have people thinking that it was me who ripped the other sites off.


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: chodamunky]
    #2224896 - 01/07/04 03:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ja.. first time I've ever been to a website like that and later found the person who created it at a forum not directly related to what the website was about... god, man. :grin:
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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2225243 - 01/07/04 09:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There's a big difference between just having an idea and having an idea and making profit from it. If someone steals something that was created by you and uses it to make profit it makes the theft a lot worse.

If something is not your idea you should never claim it was and take undue credit.


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Re: Hiding Something... Are you? [Re: Oook]
    #2225495 - 01/07/04 11:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There's a big difference between just having an idea and having an idea and making profit from it.


I think understand what you mean here.. You are refering to profit as only being monetary [to get cash out of it], right?

I feel that, making profit out of an idea SHOULD be the goal, where, EVERYONE profits from a great idea. Please do not confuse this ideal with only a materialistic purpose in mind.

At the same time, I don't think it would be wrong, for example, to make money with a plan to further help those that need it. Money makes the world go round these days; and for those that need help, mere words will provide little comfort.


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