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Breaking up spawn by hand
    #22230147 - 09/13/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

hello,

I have had mild success recently growing mono tubs but for the last 3 or 4 tubs, they have gone bad a few days after opening them. I am quite confident the reason is because the spawn is so soft that it does not break in the jar no matter how long I bang it against a basketball. It is also possible that the jars are overfilled.

Anyway, I have to break up the spawn by hand and in doing so, because it is so tightly held together, mushing the grain in the process sometimes.

I will see on the surface a white contam that turns green. I am not so educated with contams.

Any thoughts on this? I have built hundreds of tubs before with high success rates so this is unusual for me. Thanks!


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: blthirteenre]
    #22230181 - 09/13/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just got out of the same rut that you are in... Grew a number of times with success, but all at once, bam, multiple failed monotubs. From what I understand, if you get contamed to death like that then you must have bad spawn.
So I decided it was time to dive into agar. Not a problem in sight.:cool:


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: Spiracha]
    #22230193 - 09/13/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Next time don't overcook your grains during the simmering process. They are still salvageable tho, even if they are mushy. Spawn to your mono and hope for the best! :goodluck:


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22230244 - 09/13/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeh I agree with the salvageable part toss em in mono and hope for the best for real.


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: DivineO]
    #22230613 - 09/13/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The contamination is In the jar if it contaminates before you see mushrooms.


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22230761 - 09/13/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No, I am not saying contamination in the jar. They colonize 100% but then I cannot get them in the jar so it goes into the tub in clumps. I then have to break the clumps of grain up by hands and at that point sometimes I accidentally squish the grains bc they're very soft and it's easy to squish. Then my tub is contaminated as soon as I put it in fruiting conditions.


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: blthirteenre]
    #22230766 - 09/13/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm: the contamination came from the jar, you just can't identify it before spawning.

You could spit in your tub while you mixed spawn and substrate and it still wouldn't turn green that quick. The green causing mold is in your jars.


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: blthirteenre]
    #22230780 - 09/13/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I am not saying contamination in the jar. They colonize 100% but then I cannot get them in the jar so it goes into the tub in clumps. I then have to break the clumps of grain up by hands and at that point sometimes I accidentally squish the grains bc they're very soft and it's easy to squish. Then my tub is contaminated as soon as I put it in fruiting conditions.




Sounds like you're letting them consolidate if you're really having that much trouble breaking them up, spawn at 100%.


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22230826 - 09/13/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People routinely forget about cube spawn for weeks. And have to dig it out with a fork. And still don't have problems. There's green mold mycelium in your jar if it turns green before first flush.


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22231393 - 09/13/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok this is very informative... Thanks to everyone for their help


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: blthirteenre]
    #22231468 - 09/13/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you think squishing the grains is exposing uncolonized portions to the air, then let your grains sit for a few extra days after full colonization so the mycelium can penetrate everything real well.


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: Inocuole]
    #22232216 - 09/13/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22235158 - 09/14/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I got the feeling that's what he was really asking and nobody was giving him the answer he was actually looking for.

If you still do that, and the problem persists, then it's definitely your spawn, not just it's preparation, but how you're inoculating it, and with what.


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. [Re: Inocuole]
    #22235196 - 09/14/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

.p


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    #22235273 - 09/14/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Edited by sweetpea (10/03/15 02:47 AM)


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: sweetpea]
    #22235275 - 09/14/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If it's coir it doesn't even need pasteurization.


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: sweetpea]
    #22235277 - 09/14/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I started out here not too long ago with the same.problem. well kinda the same. I did everything I could to not get contams and still did. I'm now doing agar in hopes of thwarting this issue for good. As far as grains being stuck I would assume that u might be overfilling ur jars and they may be over boiled. I follow rr s tek on grain prep to the t and since I've had.no problem breaking em up. The key is dry on outside with no cracks of busted grains but.fully hydrated.

How long do u soak your grains before bringing to slight boil?? Hopefully not raging boil??


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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: megatacular]
    #22235282 - 09/14/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also how do you inoculate the jars? Ms syringe or???


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    #22235286 - 09/14/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Breaking up spawn by hand [Re: blthirteenre]
    #22235297 - 09/14/15 02:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Too many variables here.  What are you doing now that you did not do before?

Or, what did you do before, with success, that you are not doing now?


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