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Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!!
    #22229862 - 09/13/15 03:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi all . . . not really posted much on this site but use as a research tool lots . . .

Ok so I bought fresh Atlantis truffles (sclerotia) from Holland like I usually do. Although this time I thought I'd order more and dry them out to keep for longer. I tested the batch for strength (as fresh) and they were as potent as normal (anywhere between 15-25g).

To dry them out I scattered the truffles on a tray lined with greaseproof paper, left them in a warm airing cupboard with a fan blowing over them for a few days until cracker dry. This was prob about a year ago now, but I stored them in a sealed plastic bag with silicon gel sachets to absorb any leftover moisture. Then this bag went into an airtight lockable jar which I kept at the back of a kitchen cupboard.

I had a festival coming up a few weeks ago so I thought I would take some of the truffles along, and what better way to eat as chocolate. I sort the recipe on here and melted down a few bars of organic dark chocolate, added some ginger/cinammon for flavour (and also digestive aid) then added 120g (or approx. 40g dried weight) of the truffles. I kept the mixture on a very low heat for a very short period and poured into ice cube trays to set and into the fridge.

They looked perfect and tasted great although there was little to no effect from eating 2.5 of the chocolates which amounted to 17.5g (or approx. 6g dried weight).

So any ideas on why they might have lost potency? Is it normal for this to happen when drying them out? I shared the chocolates out at this festival and received lots of gifts in return so was gutted/rather embarrassed they failed. I sorted advice from here all the way so am fairly bemused as to the reason.

Any light shed would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Rich


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: shroomrich]
    #22229886 - 09/13/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm confused

120g (40g dried weight)
17.5g (6g dried weight)

Where are you getting this figures?

They have about 90% moisture so, say, if you have 120g fresh, they dry to approximately 12g.


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: pablokabute]
    #22229900 - 09/13/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Truffles are about 60% water weight. Mushrooms are 90% water weight.


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: Achillita]
    #22229941 - 09/13/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

^^^ As above . . .


Duds!

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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: shroomrich]
    #22229971 - 09/13/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dang, that sucks. Sorry dude.

Psilocybin is very sensitive to heat, it starts to break down-evaporate at 100 degrees F. (about 40 Celsius) and depending how you prepare them, you will destroy most of the molecules. (They do not evaporate like THC does when vaped, so even with that wrap, it won´t save your Psilocybin because it breaks down and turns into something else, not psychoactive... Just eat the truffles with soft chocolate chips cookies if you can´t handle their horrible taste haha.


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #22229981 - 09/13/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)


Are these poisonous?


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: Rex10101]
    #22230161 - 09/13/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

^^^ As above . . .
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Are these poisonous?




Wrong group/thread dude . . .


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: shroomrich]
    #22230625 - 09/13/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Truffles don't dry well IME, I too have noticed a big drop in potency upon drying.  After the first time I dried them when I was growing gallindoi I would harvest the truffles, clean them off with a brush or paper towel, then put them in a clean tupperware container with some foil instead of the lid, pop a couple of air holes and put them in the back of the fridge.  They will store for weeks if not months like that, usually they will start growing fresh healthy mycelium and turn white. 

My question is, why the fuck are you still buying them from Holland?  Take a clone from the next batch you buy and start growing them yourself, you'll save a lot of money that way.


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #22232018 - 09/13/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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AkashicExplorer said:
Dang, that sucks. Sorry dude.

Psilocybin is very sensitive to heat, it starts to break down-evaporate at 100 degrees F. (about 40 Celsius) and depending how you prepare them, you will destroy most of the molecules. (They do not evaporate like THC does when vaped, so even with that wrap, it won´t save your Psilocybin because it breaks down and turns into something else, not psychoactive... Just eat the truffles with soft chocolate chips cookies if you can´t handle their horrible taste haha.



Psilocybin in not that heat sensitive. I make tea about 80% of the time when I trip, and I've noticed no loss in potency. I make tea with boiling water. Pure psilocybin may break down at those temperatures, but not actives in a structure or solution.


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: shroomrich]
    #22232071 - 09/13/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Supposedly Koods had great success freezing fresh mushrooms sprinkled with ascorbic acid, the same technique could be used on fresh sclerotia.

Worth a shot next time around.


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22234897 - 09/13/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Freezing mushrooms is bad news, the ice crystals rupture the cells and expose the alkaloids to oxygen and when you thaw them you have a pile of inactive black goo.  It's the most surefire way of ruining a batch. 

If you're going to add acid to protect them, why not just take it one step further, do an acidic water extraction (lemon tek/tea) and freeze that?  I don't know why you'd want to keep the mushroom tissue.  The fact that truffles are less hydroscopic than mushrooms would make adding acid and freezing seem even less likely to work for preservation as the inside would be untouched, unless you ground it all up, but then again, if you're going that far why not just extract, strain and then preserve the liquid? 

Keep them fresh in a container with a bit of air exchange or make tea and freeze it.  There is no potency loss from heat if you're making an acidic solution, only dry heat oxidizes psilocybin.  Drying truffles takes to long, exposes them to too much air and will make you lose potency.  Use them fresh or go straight to tea and freeze and you'll have no loss.

Remember that sclerotia are dormant bodies of mycelium that are evolved to last through tough conditions like winter and drought; put them in the fridge in a clean container with some air exchange and they just grow a protective layer or fresh mycelium and chill out, sleeping and alive, hell probably even getting more potent.  You could plant them in a pastuerized substrate months later and do a grow, or just eat them when you're ready.  I don't see why you wouldn't just keep them fresh until you're ready to use them.  I've never had truffles go bad in the fridge, they last till you're ready to eat them and it's like eating them fresh every time.    :shrug:


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #22234910 - 09/13/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

AkashicExplorer said:
Dang, that sucks. Sorry dude.

Psilocybin is very sensitive to heat, it starts to break down-evaporate at 100 degrees F. (about 40 Celsius) and depending how you prepare them, you will destroy most of the molecules. (They do not evaporate like THC does when vaped, so even with that wrap, it won´t save your Psilocybin because it breaks down and turns into something else, not psychoactive... Just eat the truffles with soft chocolate chips cookies if you can´t handle their horrible taste haha.



Thats some bad fucking false information.

A standard dehydrator which most people use to dry mushrooms heats at 130-155degrees fareihnheit. No potency loss/ or little if any, just because its dry rather than fresh.


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22235791 - 09/14/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks a lot for your advice guys much appreciated . . .

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My question is, why the fuck are you still buying them from Holland?  Take a clone from the next batch you buy and start growing them yourself, you'll save a lot of money that way.




A lot less effort is required! But your right I'm gonna head over to the cultivating section to read up (-:

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If you're going to add acid to protect them, why not just take it one step further, do an acidic water extraction (lemon tek/tea) and freeze that?    :shrug:




I'm going to look up lemon tek/tea, can you do an acidic alcohol extraction? My friend attempted this as he wanted to convert to crystal but failed for some reason . . .

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I don't see why you wouldn't just keep them fresh until you're ready to use them.  I've never had truffles go bad in the fridge, they last till you're ready to eat them and it's like eating them fresh every time.    :shrug:




How long is till you're ready to eat them? My previous mushroom trip was approx. a year before this failed attempt.

So fruits (cubensis) are more suited to the drying out process and converting to (enjoyable) edible treats . . .


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Re: Truffles lost potency (from fresh to dried to chocolate). VERY UPSET!!! [Re: shroomrich]
    #22235904 - 09/14/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is pretty much everything you'd need to know about alcohol extraction.  The cost of the materials IMO, make it not worth the time and effort. 

I never let my fresh truffles wait more than a month, if you trip once a year I'd recommend just learning to grow cubes.  Dried mushrooms are easier to store and consume.  When you dry truffles they lose potency and turn hard as a rock, and frankly I find freezing and storing tea or making alcohol extractions to be a major pain in the ass. 

Luckily, I live in an area where I usually find more wild psilocybe in a season than I can use in a decade, so I don't bother with growing or ordering truffles.  :lol:


Edited by P.Zappatecorum (09/14/15 10:21 AM)


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