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Mr. Material
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Ezuma]
#22238864 - 09/14/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: yeah no i totally disagree then you're basically dealing with a useless child of a woman, and to me, that would get old reeeeally reaaally fast. the best relationships i've seen are the ones where responsibility is shared the most thoroughly. sure no one's perfect. but giving 100% of the responsibility to one member just seems reeeeeally stupid
You're not dealing with a child if she's helping you (which is indirectly helping her).
For example, let's look to the streets and see the dynamic between a pimp and his hoe. The pimp benefits from the submission of his hoe when she brings in his paycheck.
The hoe benefits from her submission by security, status and a stable life. This is the dynamic that has stood the test of time.
I haven't seen any relationship with shared responsibilities that didn't involve some kind of struggle.
It IS really stupid if you give up your power to someone who is incapable of providing the most basic of needs.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material] 1
#22239013 - 09/14/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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holy shit. this is fantastic. you're really gonna change us around, ya, fuck my lady having anything when she can't even provide for herself!
she can't have none of me that's for sure! she can have some other sucker, who'll probably be her bitch, pffft, what an asshole. it's really men like that that are giving the women of the world all that unwieldy power they're fucking shit up with with their damn feminism.
fucking christ, are we mad!? giving up our power!?
just basically asking Russia to crush us.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material] 1
#22239027 - 09/14/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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 In many ancient societies, women where given power. In matrilineal societies, the family belongs to the woman. As it is traced down her path. In sparta, the women would have power over the house, land, and government. Pretty much anything outside of warfare.
In many native american tribes, women were held with the utmost respect. My own tribe had laws that any rape, or beating of a woman would result in death or severe punishment(for the beating). Through out the whole south east, the natives viewed women as the makers of life, giving birth, taking care of the family ect. Men were considered the takers of life, warriors, hunters, ect.
Societies that were controlled mainly or respected women highly existed for a long time.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material] 2
#22239030 - 09/14/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Material said:
I'm not talking about relationships. I'm talking about total power exchange.
You think that something that has been around as long as humanity, is "wrong" simply because it isn't the current model accepted in this current society.
no. not at all. i understand the power exchange. only you're wrong. it's not "men control women".
people control themselves. that's it. that is the exchange. you scratch my back, i scratch yours, or else i find someone else. it's the way it HAS always been and continues to be to this day.
what you're talking about is some crazy shit like going back to caveman status. i have a big stick and i'm not afraid to use it type mentality.
cause if you have that big stick, which men throughout history have always lept for, but not just for control of women (your mistake) but for control of themselves, to fight men as well as well take women. because they could.
now you can't. and you're mad. and pathetic, by the way.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma]
#22239097 - 09/14/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
no. not at all. i understand the power exchange. only you're wrong. it's not "men control women".
people control themselves. that's it. that is the exchange. you scratch my back, i scratch yours, or else i find someone else. it's the way it HAS always been and continues to be to this day.
what you're talking about is some crazy shit like going back to caveman status. i have a big stick and i'm not afraid to use it type mentality.
cause if you have that big stick, which men throughout history have always lept for, but not just for control of women (your mistake) but for control of themselves, to fight men as well as well take women. because they could.
now you can't. and you're mad. and pathetic, by the way.
Yeah, you're right. It isn't "men control women".....
I was going to post some links on D/s but I know that you wouldn't read them. You'd just armchair your way through these posts with insults.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: propensity] 1
#22239104 - 09/14/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes he was. Half the people that responded in that thread are convinced he's either currently, or preparing to be a rapist.
you better choose your words carefully son, I told you last night and im going to tell you again you don't get to slander me. The thread was a debate on if it should become "legal", therefor you have zero basis for putting that label on me, you aren't funny, it isn't a joke, and if your such a pansy about the topic as you claim to be, you wouldn't be slinging it around so casually. Incase you didn't know calling someone a rapist in the pub is serious business, a line shroomery.com won't even cross.
  
You better choose your words carefully bro, he's gonna backtrace you.
I think I'm safe. I'm not female, I have no reason to fear him raping me.

I also love how he accused me of dodging questions, and then went on to dodge Apolly's question for like 5 pages.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Shroomslip]
#22239118 - 09/14/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't dodge mine
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Achillita]
#22239124 - 09/14/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You haven't asked me one.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Shroomslip]
#22239130 - 09/14/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I meant OP...
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akira_akuma
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material] 2
#22239132 - 09/14/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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no, that's what you're preaching. i'm telling you flat out, you are preaching that men control women, because they hold "more power" and women are "naturally submissive" towards that construct. i'm telling you, if the tables are turned, men behave like women (in that regard aforementioned) and women behave like men, with that mindset and those thoughts kicking around in your head, like right now.
and i'm telling you and anyone else who thinks they've been let in on some big secret that they control, that you're wrong to begin with.
there is no "men power" and "women power". there is no right or wrong here. it's just self-interest.
and men these days are just as interested as women are these days in a: being idiots and b: trying to gain as much control over one another's groups as humanly possible.
please send me your links, or don't...i'd read them, and point out any inconsistencies, and maybe if i agree with a particular point i might expand on it.
but you are insisting that women love submitting to powerful men because "that's the way it ought to be because it's natural".
no. it's the same thing when the tables are reversed and you have a powerful women and submissive man, and lets just take submissive out of the equation here, because the word is useless here.
there is no "total" power, that's YOUR mistake here. there is just power, and then wanting to be under the wing of that power, or, sometimes, it's love, or some other aspect that gets a man and a women together. this is the fact of the matter, what i'm saying...what you're saying is just total hogwash, if that's the extant of your purview.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material]
#22239161 - 09/14/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Someone else gets it! Thank god. I essentially had an epiphany about this at work today while I was daydreaming. The basic psychological principles of intimate relationships are indistinguishable from those of a pride of lions or any other pack animal. It's almost this innate thing when it comes to higher life forms.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22239188 - 09/14/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like how everyone instantly jumps to the most blunt depictions of power right away. Dominance is as subtle as leading a conversation or commanding the attention of people when you speak, qualities women have and always will find attractive. There are exceptions to any rule but the general consensus among us, from as far back as we've kept records is that women are submissive and men the dominate part of the relationship. Of course there's outliers like the Amazonian women, but for the most part we don't stray from that and its rarely something as obscene as pimping. More often it's something as subtle as the guy deciding what they're gonna do for the night.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22239190 - 09/14/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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THANK you jesus how this crap can pass for reasonable is beyond me
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22239192 - 09/14/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Except complete male dominance and female submission isn't characteristic of every culture to exist. And that it's an idea that seems to permeate through much of europe and asia.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22239203 - 09/14/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's a difference between males being outgoing and confident in themselves, and able to meet the needs of their family/protect them, and dominating them. One is attractive and just, the other is far from it
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Achillita]
#22239208 - 09/14/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Europe, Asia, south America, North America, Australia, the UK...yeah pretty much everywhere.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Ezuma]
#22239211 - 09/14/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: There's a difference between males being outgoing and confident in themselves, and able to meet the needs of their family/protect them, and dominating them. One is attractive and just, the other is far from it
Dominance and domination are two completely different words my friend.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22239215 - 09/14/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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dominance: power and influence over others.
domination: the exercise of control or influence over someone or something, or the state of being so controlled.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Ezuma]
#22239216 - 09/14/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If we say that a man is in a position of dominance, in a relationship, that means the woman must be submissive or below that dominance, which means the woman is less powerful, less central, less free and anything but an equal partner or human being
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#22239220 - 09/14/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Women of Sparta ran the government, owned the property, ect.
In both North and South America, women were revered highly. There are exceptions however. Many of these tribes were Matriarchal, which pretty much shows the womans ownership of the family.
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