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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma]
#22239561 - 09/15/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: it made perfect sense what i said, and (it was) not confusing whatsoever to me. maybe not the most practical wording but my words and memories aren't for sale (anyways).
the words in parentheses are your's though, free. maybe they can help you. they didn't help me.
Uh, ok then. Thanks, I think.
You reminded me of this old diddy just now
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma]
#22239569 - 09/15/15 02:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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being submissive doesn't mean being a doormat, it means accepting your concernment with the other as being mutual
^ this is the point
women do not specifically follow the platitudes you're pandering about. they do not specifically like to be lead and to follow and to be told what what's by their man.
what i said is a much more accurate proposal. what you are sharing is a subjective experience and it's not mutual to probably a fair amount of people. so in your experience you dictate that women are usually like so and so, but i say, that's just how they were raised. 
PPS: i actually really like that song.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material]
#22240433 - 09/15/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Material said: I've thought long and hard about this, and I have come to the conclusion that the only way having a LTR would work for me, is if it was a relationship based off of a total power exchange.
It would have to be someone very special though. If she wants to be with me she has to be willing to live her life in absolute, and complete submission.
Like clay in a potters hand, I would shape her into someone she never knew she could be.
I've seen several kinds of BDSM relationships in real life.
I knew a guy that turned his girlfriend into a real life sex doll. It was kind of scary because when you looked in her eyes it was hard to see if anyone was there. She was totally broken. He would lock her in a closet for hours at a time, and let other men "borrow her" for several days. It really bothered me, but I knew that it was consensual so I had to respect their lifestyle choice. If I had to, I would classify this relationship as a Owner/object one - rather that Dominant/submissive one.
Another guy I knew, had the traditional Master/slave dynamic. He treated her well, but his relationship started to crumble when he started falling in love with her. This ruined the dynamic and she started really getting turned off by the guy. She was way out of his league. She was a very professional model, and he was a unemployed average joe. I think he freaked out because it was too good to be true, you know? He eventually lost control of the relationship and she wound up with this fat, old disgusting British guy.
I learned a lot from watching this guy fail.
I have seen a few other kinds of BDSM relationships, some of them were very positive and healthy and some were very dark and scary.
If I had to classify the dynamic I'm after, it would be one of a Teacher/student.
I would teach her about the world, and about herself.
Ultimately, she would teach me about myself as well; since she would be a direct reflection of my guidance.
It sounds scary, but what relationship isn't to some degree?
Wow seriously don't be so graphic. *hides boner*
That's hot
Edited by Beanhead (09/15/15 09:32 AM)
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Beanhead]
#22241791 - 09/15/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's funny because it seems like he wants to find a balance between complete objectification and complete selflessness there, but still insists on the "total power control" of men thing, as if having a balanced relationship would get in the way of having a proper balance between respect and the ability to have your will as an individual remain intact.
But he has this notion of superiority, that as far as I can tell boils down to old fashioned patriarchal family values and him being in total control of sex where she should have no expectations of him whatsoever 
There is a certain amount of servitude for men in those old-school relationships if you read between the lines, definitely there is expectations. When it comes to being a great teacher and leader, I think someone like that can just do it, they don't need to set out the paremeters of the relationship specifying "I am the one in charge." If that is the case, it will happen. If not, it is in the realm of role play, which is more about fun and games than anything as serious as 100% power exchange.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22241815 - 09/15/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very well said moonrock.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Beanhead]
#22244355 - 09/16/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beanhead said:
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Mr. Material said: I've thought long and hard about this, and I have come to the conclusion that the only way having a LTR would work for me, is if it was a relationship based off of a total power exchange.
It would have to be someone very special though. If she wants to be with me she has to be willing to live her life in absolute, and complete submission.
Like clay in a potters hand, I would shape her into someone she never knew she could be.
I've seen several kinds of BDSM relationships in real life.
I knew a guy that turned his girlfriend into a real life sex doll. It was kind of scary because when you looked in her eyes it was hard to see if anyone was there. She was totally broken. He would lock her in a closet for hours at a time, and let other men "borrow her" for several days. It really bothered me, but I knew that it was consensual so I had to respect their lifestyle choice. If I had to, I would classify this relationship as a Owner/object one - rather that Dominant/submissive one.
Another guy I knew, had the traditional Master/slave dynamic. He treated her well, but his relationship started to crumble when he started falling in love with her. This ruined the dynamic and she started really getting turned off by the guy. She was way out of his league. She was a very professional model, and he was a unemployed average joe. I think he freaked out because it was too good to be true, you know? He eventually lost control of the relationship and she wound up with this fat, old disgusting British guy.
I learned a lot from watching this guy fail.
I have seen a few other kinds of BDSM relationships, some of them were very positive and healthy and some were very dark and scary.
If I had to classify the dynamic I'm after, it would be one of a Teacher/student.
I would teach her about the world, and about herself.
Ultimately, she would teach me about myself as well; since she would be a direct reflection of my guidance.
It sounds scary, but what relationship isn't to some degree?
Wow seriously don't be so graphic. *hides boner*
That's hot 
This is one of the cringiest things I ever read.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Apollyphelion]
#22244370 - 09/16/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sissy boys lol
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Apollyphelion]
#22244377 - 09/16/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22247512 - 09/16/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I like how everyone instantly jumps to the most blunt depictions of power right away. Dominance is as subtle as leading a conversation or commanding the attention of people when you speak, qualities women have and always will find attractive. There are exceptions to any rule but the general consensus among us, from as far back as we've kept records is that women are submissive and men the dominate part of the relationship. Of course there's outliers like the Amazonian women, but for the most part we don't stray from that and its rarely something as obscene as pimping. More often it's something as subtle as the guy deciding what they're gonna do for the night.
QFT, you need to be a guy who knows what he's doing. How can you expect a woman to love you if she can't respect you?
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: philopian_tube] 1
#22250593 - 09/17/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i don't like girls to interest me at all, i only want to interest them, because i'm a man...a man-man-man.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma]
#22549525 - 11/19/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i don't like girls to interest me at all, i only want to interest them, because i'm a man...a man-man-man.
So sensitive!
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: moonrockmushy]
#26487063 - 02/15/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: It's funny because it seems like he wants to find a balance between complete objectification and complete selflessness there, but still insists on the "total power control" of men thing, as if having a balanced relationship would get in the way of having a proper balance between respect and the ability to have your will as an individual remain intact.
But he has this notion of superiority, that as far as I can tell boils down to old fashioned patriarchal family values and him being in total control of sex where she should have no expectations of him whatsoever 
There is a certain amount of servitude for men in those old-school relationships if you read between the lines, definitely there is expectations. When it comes to being a great teacher and leader, I think someone like that can just do it, they don't need to set out the paremeters of the relationship specifying "I am the one in charge." If that is the case, it will happen. If not, it is in the realm of role play, which is more about fun and games than anything as serious as 100% power exchange.
Yes, after a few relationships and several years later - I agree with this post. Learned a lot since my original post but I don't believe that anything is 100% anymore. You can have this kind of relationship and it takes a lot of work, like it takes A LOT of work.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material]
#26487073 - 02/15/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I learned a lot since my original post and I still lean heavily towards traditional gender roles. However, what I learned was that while men have their ways to get what they want women, through evolution or intelligent design (whatever you believe) have ways to get what they want. Always.
I think that seduction is for a woman, what violence is for men. Just a thought. A woman with nothing can seduce her way to where she wants to be; likewise, a man with nothing can - with force of violence make a good life for himself.
I read somewhere that violence for men, is like the foundation to get things we want/need and to protect the things we have.
There are men who have small capacity for violence and there are women who have a small ability to seduce. It may or may not be reflected physically.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material]
#26500022 - 02/23/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's still a weird thing to me to consider a relationship where seduction and violence are the first things that come to mind. What about dignity, loyalty, and respect? Where do those fit in to your world view?
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material]
#26500065 - 02/23/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov
Violence is a pretty pathetic way to deal with your problems, not to mention un-shroomy.
To regard it logically as a solution or truth may be a viewpoint perhaps gained in a moment of perceived isolation or a depressive state. If you feel you have to force physical reality with violence to suit your beliefs you clearly have some issues, imo. To me this shows a lack of control, not taking control.
Seduction can be fun and peaceful, if both parties know it is sort of a "game".
Everyone manipulates to some degree, but it is never healthy or a sign of intelligence if done outright and as a default method of interacting with the world, imo.
Trust, loyalty, peacefulness and telling the truth are pretty high up there in terms of the virtues a human being can achieve in his/her lifetime. Not only that, but it also seems like the most intelligent thing to do in any given situation, for the benefit of individuals and groups of human beings - even on an evolutionary level.
What ever benefits all parties simultaneously is always the best route for the well-being and prosperity of all.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material]
#26500069 - 02/23/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow wow, slow it down with the power exchange ... I ran away from the kink forum, only to find it here? .. And not even in the 'sexuality' section? ... Not cool,man !
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Lottie_a]
#26500081 - 02/23/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello new person I’ve never met before. How are you?
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material]
#26500178 - 02/23/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr. Material said: I learned a lot since my original post and I still lean heavily towards traditional gender roles. However, what I learned was that while men have their ways to get what they want women, through evolution or intelligent design (whatever you believe) have ways to get what they want. Always.
I think that seduction is for a woman, what violence is for men. Just a thought. A woman with nothing can seduce her way to where she wants to be; likewise, a man with nothing can - with force of violence make a good life for himself.
I read somewhere that violence for men, is like the foundation to get things we want/need and to protect the things we have.
There are men who have small capacity for violence and there are women who have a small ability to seduce. It may or may not be reflected physically.
How do you get things you want with a foundation of violence? What things? I have no idea how to unpack this because I don't really understand what you're saying and how it applies to the world we live in. What kind of savage life are you living here?
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material]
#26500216 - 02/23/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The fruits of violence - whether metaphorical or physical are ephemeral - the more you gain, the more enemies you make.
You may even in many senses outwardly succeed in a way throughout your life, say for instance Stalin - but the enemy he made of his own mind - the paranoia that came from the fear of his enemies, and the fear that came of knowing that others out there would wish to reflect the violence and cruelty against him that he committed clearly tortured him deeply.
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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: twighead]
#26500444 - 02/23/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Men and women do often times get things in life or gain success through different means. Although there can be alot of overlap between gender qualitys, it just depends. But the "masculine" way to get what you want isnt through violence. It's confidence/determination/assertiveness etc. Violence rarely does anyone any good unless theres a genuine self defense situation. And there's other ways a man,or anyone else, can achieve success or get what they want in life. Intelligence, humblness/compassion, humor and other things. Also if your a sexy ass man you could seduce your way through all kinds of situations lol. It just kind of depends on the situation/person.
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