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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Achillita]
    #22239228 - 09/14/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As I said, exceptions. Minor ones at that. The ultimate head of native tribes was always male, they were also the ones that provided and protected. Female dominance throughout history has always been exceptionally rare.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22239234 - 09/14/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The tribal and warrior part were usually male, but the family and clan leaders were exclusively female in some parts. The Iroquois women run the family and clan for example.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22239236 - 09/14/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The dominance females have is withholding the pussy.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22239246 - 09/14/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

while largely true, I don't think that past models of behavior should be used as an excuse not to civilize ourselves now
hell I'm not saying men should kiss the ground women walk I just believe in equality. Live however you like, have whatever kind of relationship, I just find that most adult people want to be respected and treated as full functioning and capable individuals, regardless of gender.
If that's not the case, chances are you're dealing with someone with developmental or emotional issues or who was brainwashed into believing themselves as lesser, and therefor will not be truly happy in their submission of their will to another, in most cases


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #22239257 - 09/14/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Someone else gets it! Thank god. I essentially had an epiphany about this at work today while I was daydreaming. The basic psychological principles of intimate relationships are indistinguishable from those of a pride of lions or any other pack animal. It's almost this innate thing when it comes to higher life forms.




oh good Lord.

we need a God. smite the dumb people.

:facepalm: you're (note: we) are talking about societal chicanery, not real biological or even implied differences here.
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I like how everyone instantly jumps to the most blunt depictions of power right away. Dominance is as subtle as leading a conversation or commanding the attention of people when you speak, qualities women have and always will find attractive. There are exceptions to any rule but the general consensus among us, from as far back as we've kept records is that women are submissive and men the dominate part of the relationship. Of course there's outliers like the Amazonian women, but for the most part we don't stray from that and its rarely something as obscene as pimping. More often it's something as subtle as the guy deciding what they're gonna do for the night.




such as^

the power struggle in dominance is a human affair, and it's being relegated to only women being in the "submissive" role is not a human trait. at all. women like being seduced...do you think men don't? if you do, you are a fool.


and too OP: because fuck private message.
PS:men provide the sperm, and women bare the children. that's the only biology here. and the argument that women are smaller thus are not attuned to certain things is a hugely absurd notion. women are smaller thus are SUITED TO THINGS, but they are not HALTED in doing anything in particular, unless they're forced to be halted.

same goes for men.

so we are more alike then you are giving credit due.

and we shouldn't be "racial" anything. so what who cares where society is at? it's only gotten bigger, and it's ALWAYS been a minority of smart people and a majority of idiots, and i'm telling you, you're missing the point if you think we ought to be stuck at the lowest common denominator of women being bent to men's overwhelming them. society is a farce. but civility is not, it's real, and it's hopefully going to take the world over.

and people should stop being idiots about this shit, it's crazy how much effort people put into being idiots. here is my hypothesis, stupid people are fucking stupid ok...but idiots, THESE idiots, are so inherently stupid they cannot accept the reality of their stupidity or of anything else IN reality. they have to make their own issues up to struggle with, or else they've got dick all to complain about.

and then these idiots make us all idiots. we're talking about "power" but then giving women only "certain power" and men "certain power" that cannot be mutual because why? because those people are confused, that's why. they think they can buy a better world. nuff said.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Achillita]
    #22239258 - 09/14/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The tribal and warrior part were usually male, but the family and clan leaders were exclusively female in some parts. The Iroquois women run the family and clan for example.




The Iroquois are one tribe out of hundreds. Male dominance is seen even across species as the over arching norm of gender relationships. It is essentially, just how it is. Women flock to the leaders in skills, intellectualism, physical capability. Dominance is not always male to female.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #22239261 - 09/14/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

oh good, you're not a fool.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22239303 - 09/15/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A fool would've taken OP's picture at face value.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #22239321 - 09/15/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, but i didn't. i know what he is talking about (and you) and i ALSO know what he has said. what he has said doesn't match up with the inherent matter of truth here. power struggle and control happens in a relationship, because like gravity and addiction, there needs to be power to fuel it. one gives, the other takes, and vice versa. if one isn't distributing then the other isn't interested/may lose interest.

but the OP is referring to "men" and "women" and "civilization" and "humanity" in it's "natural state" as if their are roles divided among them. there isn't. it's all the same one thing.

apparently, you've been foolish today. i take back what i said.

like i said, what OP (and you) are discussing is the perception that you can buy or vote in or even advocate for a better world, when in this department of the the roles of power, you or i have no say and nothing is to change; unless you value destruction.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22239347 - 09/15/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are roles divided between them and natural inclinations to the roles each gender takes. They may reverse from time to time but the base state tends towards male dominance. The basic dynamics of sexual biology demand it.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22239363 - 09/15/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Women can do anything men can!!


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22239368 - 09/15/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

no. sperm dominance. male dominance just comes with the territory.

i explained this earlier in the thread already. the roles they are given means that they are specifically CONDUCIVE to certain things and certain roles, sure; but that doesn't PREVENT anyone any attaining of any thing, role, goal, idea, ect ect.

this is the main contention here. if you agree, we have nothing more to discuss.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22239378 - 09/15/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh no, Im not saying its some immutable physical law or something, just the general nature of things. Which means we're essentially on the same page.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22239382 - 09/15/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Mr. Material said:
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lillFish said:
From a woman's perspective, I see what you are saying. I do find that I want that, to an extent.




Do you believe in gender roles?

Let's pretend that you became Mrs. Material.

I would divde the chores.

I would do all of the hard dirty outside work, you - all of the inside work.

There would be no rent to pay, as I would already own property.

So we would be financially secure and you would be busy with assignments.

These assignments would all serve a greater purpose, and Mrs. Material would just have to believe in this.

How does that sound?





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I've thought long and hard about this, and I have come to the conclusion that the only way having a LTR would work for me, is if it was a relationship based off of a total power exchange.

It would have to be someone very special though. If she wants to be with me she has to be willing to live her life in absolute, and complete submission.

Like clay in a potters hand, I would  shape her into someone she never knew she could be.


I've seen several kinds of BDSM relationships in real life.

I knew a guy that turned his girlfriend into a real life sex doll. It was kind of scary because when you looked in her eyes it was hard to see if anyone was there. She was totally broken. He would lock her in a closet for hours at a time, and let other men "borrow her" for several days. It really bothered me, but I knew that it was consensual so I had to respect their lifestyle choice. If I had to, I would classify this relationship as a Owner/object one - rather that Dominant/submissive one.

Another guy I knew, had the traditional Master/slave dynamic. He treated her well, but his relationship started to crumble when he started falling in love with her. This ruined the dynamic and she started really getting turned off by the guy. She was way out of his league. She was a very professional model, and he was a unemployed average joe. I think he freaked out because it was too good to be true, you know? He eventually lost control of the relationship and she wound up with this fat, old disgusting British guy.

I learned a lot from watching this guy fail.

I have seen a few other kinds of BDSM relationships, some of them were very positive and healthy and some were very dark and scary.

If I had to classify the dynamic I'm after, it would be one of a Teacher/student.

I would teach her about the world, and about herself.

Ultimately, she would teach me about myself as well; since she would be a direct reflection of my guidance.

It sounds scary, but what relationship isn't to some degree?




You're a real hoot Mr. Material.  Do you know what this is called?  Fantasy.  I hate to break your bubble, but that's the only way it will ever work.  It's probably always going to be kinda silly unless you're actually a psychopath, but that's ok, life is funny sometimes.  Just saying, at least when it comes to stereotypical "desirable" women, you'll probably have more luck getting them to play into your twisted sexual fantasies if you meet them halfway and while you're getting to know them maybe pretend to be something other than a complete psychopath.

I know this probably makes you mad, like :shakefist: "but those are women and men control women!" but that is not true.  It seems like you have some level of emotional maturity, so I guess it's possible you're a normal guy, but for Christ's sake stop trying so hard to be an edgy BDSM master.  Maybe that is the only way you can become aroused, in which case I guess you'll have to make do, but that is not the case for all of us.



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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22239385 - 09/15/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh no, Im not saying its some immutable physical law or something, just the general nature of things. Which means we're essentially on the same page.



cool. i thought so. but i'm not so sure of OP. let's convince him of things.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22239390 - 09/15/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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you'll probably have more luck getting them to play into your twisted sexual fantasies if you meet them halfway and while you're getting to know them maybe pretend to be something other than a complete psychopath.





my last girlfriend was like that.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: Mr. Material] * 4
    #22239408 - 09/15/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here's an illustration of a functional Total Power Exchange relationship



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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: twighead]
    #22239418 - 09/15/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

we can all agree Tila Tequila is the role model of the Total Power Exchange.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22239430 - 09/15/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What she expected you to not be a psycho, or was she one herself?

I kinda get where OP is coming from, as every guy thinks at one point that maybe through some feat of manipulation he can get sex and not have to deal with the hassle of paying attention to other people's needs, but life doesn't work like that.  People sometimes convince themselves that it does, but they are living a lie.

At some point you're going to have her tied up, be sitting there jerking off in your pleather gimp outfit, and she is going to look at you and think "omg this guy is fucking pathetic".  No amount of beating or putting her in a dog cage can change that.  She probably won't even tell you, it will just fester until she is resentful in a way that is no longer fun or arousing, and then you break up and hopefully not murder her.  You need to romance them and to do that you need to get to know them, which means you are allowing women to influence you.  It's inevitable.

Especially with those novelty sex escapades, it just gets kinda silly after you blow a couple loads.  It certainly doesn't make an otherwise unhappy relationship work, and if I met someone who was not into this stuff and I really liked them I would drop the whole macho man act and do what it takes, because real men can adapt and live life in balance and harmony, which to me is just better anyway.


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Re: Total Power Exchange = Natural Human Male/Female Dynamic [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22239458 - 09/15/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

...  :awkward:


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