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Peyote Road
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guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose 1
#22227605 - 09/12/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I ODed on mescaline, not in a physical sense but I mean I got insanely potent cactus and I took way too much.
It was absolutely comsic, i wont even begin to describe it but everyting worked out great, I came back to my ego in one piece and was feeling full of joy and acceptance. Then I made the stupid decision to smoke some hash, which normally always helps me but this time in sent into a bad trip.
all my defence mechanisms broke down and all my unresolved unconsciously material poured into my consciosness but i was not able to work through it. I got stuck in a state of resistance and depersonalization. i realized was a stupid stoned idiot i am and how i need to quit smoking cannabis.
I then smoked more hash to try to go back "out there" and see if i could fix what I messed up. This was somewhat successful thanks to BoB marley, who helped me my find my ryhthm again (oh btw, i was shown why white people have no rythm, rhythm is a natural thing but whites have gone so far out of alignment with nature they have lost their rhythm)
but anyway, how do i put myself back together now? I never should have smoked that hash. I feel depersonalized, lost in space, trapped up between a rock and a hard place in my mind and devoid of love. my old identity has died and i am reborn, but as this wretched thing.
this has been an absolute disaster. smoking hash on thhat much mescaline was just too much. i angered the peyote spirits by violating the sanctity of the peyote ceremony by adding hash to it, when traditionally there is no hash at peyote ceremony.
and then there is the issue of the spiders. they began to crawl all over me and in my sleeping bag, next thing i know i am seeing spiders everywhere and realizin i am afraid of spiders. i felt like those spirders violated the sancity of the ceremony, but one good thing is i was able to understand the spider spirit thanks to native american legends i had read about spiders.
anyway, i am just looking for advice on how to go about reassembling myself and living life as a person again, or am i to remain as this thing?
man, this trip really did a number on me. i would say it was equiv to 1000 to 1200 micrograms of LSD plus the hash, and it was beautiful and wonderful until i smoked the hash.
i am probably going to have to trip again just to heal myself from this trip
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22227639 - 09/12/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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is it possible i did some kind of damage to my nervous system? i feel empty inside, whereas before the hash I felt full of love and peace and joy. what have i done to myself? its like theres nothing left of me, just this jagged unfillable emptiness.
be careful combining cannabis with ridiculously intense cactus trips folks. this combo can get a little out of hand, major splitting of the ego, being in different places at once,
-------------------- The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22227651 - 09/12/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just ask yourself, what really changed? The answer my friend is nothing. All that happened was you took some drugs and got high, otherwise your life is exactly the same as it was before, you have absolutely nothing to be depressed about that you didnt have before.
It may take a day or two for this to sink in, just go back to your usual routine. Keep your mind occupied, try not to just sit there on your bed thinking about how shitty everything is.
I was right where you are now after my 1500ug lsd trip, you feel broken, like theres all these things you need to do but you have no idea what it is. Like there are all these things in your life that you need to change, like its all been a big lie so far.
It'll pass man, trust me. Like I said just try to keep your mind occupied and you'll be fine in a few days, your ego will heal.
Keep us updated!
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: xThunder]
#22227728 - 09/12/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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all you need to do is make sure you keep yourself hydrated and well food with food thats actually good for you for the next couple days, let things balance out.
the only other thing you need is time, time to reflect upon your experiance, keep it with you and over only time will you figure things out about it.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#22228125 - 09/12/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is coming from the same guy saying that natural is always better. Looks like the universe decided to teach you a hard lesson. My advice; it's sobriety time. Stop everything...including pot & alcohol for a while. Exercise on a regular basis, eat a solid balanced diet, get enough sleep & meditate for at least 30 minutes per day. Yoga would be great as well. Getting yourself back on track will take time, but doing the above will greatly speed up the process.
An aside; it doesn't take 1,000 mics to hit ego death. Out of curiosity, have you ever taken that much....knowing beyond a doubt that it was?
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22228764 - 09/12/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: (oh btw, i was shown why white people have no rythm, rhythm is a natural thing but whites have gone so far out of alignment with nature they have lost their rhythm)
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Sheekle] 1
#22228991 - 09/12/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: (oh btw, i was shown why white people have no rythm, rhythm is a natural thing but whites have gone so far out of alignment with nature they have lost their rhythm)
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More like fucking stupid. Maybe we whites have no rhythm because we are the most evolved species and you don't need rhythm to survive. We lost our rhythm first. Maybe in a few thousand years the blacks will catch up and lose theirs.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 2
#22229004 - 09/12/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm a white as fuck hillbilly. Ya'll should see me play the spoons.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22229391 - 09/12/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: is it possible i did some kind of damage to my nervous system? i feel empty inside, whereas before the hash I felt full of love and peace and joy. what have i done to myself? its like theres nothing left of me, just this jagged unfillable emptiness.
be careful combining cannabis with ridiculously intense cactus trips folks. this combo can get a little out of hand, major splitting of the ego, being in different places at once,
If symptoms persist for more than a few days, make an appointment with a psychiatrist. If hallucinatory symptoms persist more than 24 hours (assuming you sleep), then immediately make an appointment with a psychiatrist.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22229409 - 09/12/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think mescaline can have a similar effect to MDMA in that it can leave you a little serotonin depleted the next day. I could be wrong about it, but it seems that can be the case from what I've seen.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Dark_Star]
#22233657 - 09/13/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am doing ok guys. I lost a piece of myself on this trip and I spent about 24 hours grieving the loss. My ego has come back together but its not the same as before. I am a different person now, than I was before this trip. However, I think I actually like the change. I am more spiritual now. Some doors in mind were blown open and they have not shut. I know I need to quit smoking weed/hash, but I want to experience another dose of mescaline like this (maybe a little less) without weed. The hash just ruined it and made me feel like a psychotic idiot.
I was shown deep truths about life on this trip that my ego was not ready for. I saw heaven, hell and the devil. I also saw myself from an objective perspective and all my faults became quite apparent to me. This was very difficult, but I believe I have come out a better person for having seen this. I know I need to make some serious changes to myself and hopefully this trip will finally be the motivation. It is one thing to believe in God, it is another to actually experience God's judgment, be judged unworthy and go to hell.
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Dark_Star said: This is coming from the same guy saying that natural is always better. Looks like the universe decided to teach you a hard lesson. My advice; it's sobriety time. Stop everything...including pot & alcohol for a while. Exercise on a regular basis, eat a solid balanced diet, get enough sleep & meditate for at least 30 minutes per day. Yoga would be great as well. Getting yourself back on track will take time, but doing the above will greatly speed up the process.
An aside; it doesn't take 1,000 mics to hit ego death. Out of curiosity, have you ever taken that much....knowing beyond a doubt that it was?
ok first of all, I still think natural is better. I did something stupid, I took 3 gravity bongs hits of hash while on an insane dose of mescaline. I have read about the exact same thing happening to people with LSD and weed. I think it would have been worse had it been LSD because I seem to suffer more after effects from LSD.
Second, yes I have taken that much knowing what it was. I mean no I didn't measure the micrograms but I had a sheet of really good acid, friends of mine experienced with LSD said it was the best LSD they had ever taken and it was obviously the real deal, two hits was a powerful experience. I took 12 of those. So, they had to be close to 100 ug per hit, even if they were only say 80, twelve times 80 is 960 and there is just no way they were significantly less than that. Second, ego death is not always dose dependent. while it is more likely on higher doses, its not guaranteed. I have experienced ego death on a couple hits of weed before, and I did not experience ego death on LSD ever, very very close of course but a tiny piece of my ego managed to hang on.
-------------------- The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra
Edited by Peyote Road (09/13/15 07:32 PM)
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22234420 - 09/13/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Glad to hear you are feeling OK now. Sometimes both the shock of the experience and the shift in brain chemistry can be a little overwhelming. Sounds like you learned some good lessons, now to put them into action! Reminds me of some difficult mushroom experiences I've had that taught me some good lessons. Sometimes I had to learn the same lesson more than once though. Guess I'm kinda hardheaded like that.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22234647 - 09/13/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: (oh btw, i was shown why white people have no rythm, rhythm is a natural thing but whites have gone so far out of alignment with nature they have lost their rhythm)
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More like fucking stupid. Maybe we whites have no rhythm because we are the most evolved species and you don't need rhythm to survive. We lost our rhythm first. Maybe in a few thousand years the blacks will catch up and lose theirs.
The Beatles have no rythm? Eminem? Hank Williams/Jr/3? Rolling Stones? Deicide? Sex Pistols? The Doors? Waylon Jennings? AC/DC? Slade? The Slits? Eric Clapton? What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm still feeling mescaline, it leaves me very lazy and content. Coming down is hard, had some mad itching. Will go again tonight.
Edited by usulpsychonaut (09/13/15 09:58 PM)
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22234699 - 09/13/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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its not all white people, of course there are white people with rhytm. i mean, as a race, white people lack rhythm. just look at our culture, society. it's not exactly harmonious, is it?
many of the more indiginous peoples have more of a beat. they are in tune with the natural rhythms of life.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22234805 - 09/13/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yo....Hall and Oats !.....nuff said playboy! 
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22235323 - 09/14/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: its not all white people, of course there are white people with rhytm. i mean, as a race, white people lack rhythm. just look at our culture, society. it's not exactly harmonious, is it?
many of the more indiginous peoples have more of a beat. they are in tune with the natural rhythms of life.
Or just "the poor" of whatever race.
That is why Christ said "It would be easier for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Realm of Heaven".
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22235558 - 09/14/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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voodoochild1000 said: Yo....Hall and Oats !.....nuff said playboy!  
...come on ...that shit is hilarious!lmfao
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22238922 - 09/14/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just how does this chaos become ordered again? I've certainly lost my Rythm now.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22239373 - 09/15/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i am probably going to have to trip again just to heal myself from this trip
Well that's retarded. That's the difference between you kids and my generation. Whenever something was too much we quit. You think this shit is medicine or something? You don't fix previous bad trips with more drugs, you heal the damage by quitting. You guys don't want to hear this shit do you? You are better off quitting, psychedelic drugs are not for everyone and almost everyone quits. Sorry I don't take part in the group denial this board so often entails, you should quit.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: my3rdeye] 1
#22239448 - 09/15/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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you dont know what you're talking about man. I just fixed it with some DMT.
I have fixed bad trips with other trips many times. I know the advice to quit sounds good but its actually not good advice for a number of reasons.
Anyway, today I was reading LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof. He says, if you have a bad trip, you should schedule another trip as soon as possible.
He says this is because bad trips are not caused by some unpredictable effect of LSD but because of unresolved material in the subjects unconscious. Therefore, the best thing to do is go back and attempt to resolve that material.
So thats what I did, I smoked some DMT, went straight back to that place of ego dissolution, accepted it, surrendered to it and then was reborn into a world of incredible beauty.
You dont give up on psychedelics becase of one bad trip. How silly.
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Edited by Peyote Road (09/15/15 12:46 AM)
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22239496 - 09/15/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is why i've recently chosen to not smoke marijuana while tripping. It's taken me to some very uncomfortable places after doing so and can really weird out an experience.
I'm also with dark star on this one, just chill out for a while and make healthier choices. Doing more drugs to offset bad drug experiences is foolish and has never worked for me. I'm not saying don't ever trip again, but tripping for the sole purpose of balancing out another is misguided.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22239792 - 09/15/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey man I hope you're feeling better. I had an extremely rough trip when I was young during my second acid trip ~200mcg. I felt as though time had stopped entirely and that everyone was angry at me. I felt a moment of eternity when I for a second felt insane. It was the most horrid thing possible. I rode that trip out by myself 12 hours of totally catatonic mind fucking. I was so exhausted mentally, physically, and emotionally. I couldn't figure out why I had such an experience when my first acid trip was nothing short of pure ecstasy. Anyway I healed from that trip, and I also gained valuable insight from it after deep thought. Examine what you were feeling and why. It may take some time, but you will heal.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22239839 - 09/15/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: (oh btw, i was shown why white people have no rythm, rhythm is a natural thing but whites have gone so far out of alignment with nature they have lost their rhythm)
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More like fucking stupid. Maybe we whites have no rhythm because we are the most evolved species and you don't need rhythm to survive. We lost our rhythm first. Maybe in a few thousand years the blacks will catch up and lose theirs.
I hope you're not serious
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: moonzo]
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More like fucking stupid. Maybe we whites have no rhythm because we are the most evolved species and you don't need rhythm to survive. We lost our rhythm first. Maybe in a few thousand years the blacks will catch up and lose theirs.
I hope you're not serious
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: my3rdeye]
#22240929 - 09/15/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i am probably going to have to trip again just to heal myself from this trip
Well that's retarded. That's the difference between you kids and my generation. Whenever something was too much we quit. You think this shit is medicine or something? You don't fix previous bad trips with more drugs, you heal the damage by quitting. You guys don't want to hear this shit do you? You are better off quitting, psychedelic drugs are not for everyone and almost everyone quits. Sorry I don't take part in the group denial this board so often entails, you should quit.
And all the generations before you were using psychedelics as medicine. I mean its only been a short while where psychedelics have been considered drugs. I guess medicine can only be bought in a bottle from the pharmacy by your definition.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: LSDreamer]
#22241716 - 09/15/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: is it possible i did some kind of damage to my nervous system? i feel empty inside, whereas before the hash I felt full of love and peace and joy. what have i done to myself? its like theres nothing left of me, just this jagged unfillable emptiness.
be careful combining cannabis with ridiculously intense cactus trips folks. this combo can get a little out of hand, major splitting of the ego, being in different places at once,
If symptoms persist for more than a few days, make an appointment with a psychiatrist. If hallucinatory symptoms persist more than 24 hours (assuming you sleep), then immediately make an appointment with a psychiatrist.
Sounds like a anti-psychotic prescription, that is idiotic. Psychiatrists are freaken dangerous, avoid. Taking more drugs is the correct way forward. I am up for some speedy lower dose sessions now. No need to unravel again any time soon.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22241737 - 09/15/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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"natural born village idiot" well, your title is appropriate considering you are spewing nonsense.
psychiatrists/psychologists are not dangerous. in many instances, they are very necessary in the betterment of an individual's mental health. doing more drugs here is highly misguided.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: 404]
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No, they are very dangeous. I saw a psychiatrist one time. He put me on benzos, which completely destroyed my life. I have spent the last 6 years recovering from benzo withdrawal.
Of course, if you find a good psychologist it can be very helpful in some cases, but be very careful. Mostly they're simply drug pushers and their drugs are a lot worse than ours.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
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I feel you brother. Try practicing some unconditional positive regard during your assimilation back into normal brain wave patterns that you'll feel comfortable with.
Here is a cosmic video about rhythm. Everyone should see it. You are right about rhythm and the western world. I know a lot of musicians who play their instruments "well" but don't have a sense of real rhythm for shit... and it upsets me. Even non-musicians who are sure they have no rhythm within themselves bothers me. Things like that can make unconditional positive regard difficult but not unworkable.
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Peyote Road said: you dont know what you're talking about man. I just fixed it with some DMT.
I have fixed bad trips with other trips many times. I know the advice to quit sounds good but its actually not good advice for a number of reasons.
Anyway, today I was reading LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof. He says, if you have a bad trip, you should schedule another trip as soon as possible.
He says this is because bad trips are not caused by some unpredictable effect of LSD but because of unresolved material in the subjects unconscious. Therefore, the best thing to do is go back and attempt to resolve that material.
So thats what I did, I smoked some DMT, went straight back to that place of ego dissolution, accepted it, surrendered to it and then was reborn into a world of incredible beauty.
You dont give up on psychedelics becase of one bad trip. How silly.
Just curious, op...Why did you create a thread seeking advice from other like-minded people when you already knew what you were going to do?
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Doesnt sound like a bad trip at all. Just sound like the inner truth hit you like a ton of bricks and you didn't like it.
Meditate on what you saw, heard, learned, felt. It came from the cosmos within, not without. ACCEPT & LEARN
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Peyote Road said: you dont know what you're talking about man. I just fixed it with some DMT.
I have fixed bad trips with other trips many times. I know the advice to quit sounds good but its actually not good advice for a number of reasons.
Anyway, today I was reading LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof. He says, if you have a bad trip, you should schedule another trip as soon as possible.
He says this is because bad trips are not caused by some unpredictable effect of LSD but because of unresolved material in the subjects unconscious. Therefore, the best thing to do is go back and attempt to resolve that material.
So thats what I did, I smoked some DMT, went straight back to that place of ego dissolution, accepted it, surrendered to it and then was reborn into a world of incredible beauty.
You dont give up on psychedelics becase of one bad trip. How silly.
Just curious, op...Why did you create a thread seeking advice from other like-minded people when you already knew what you were going to do?
I didn't know what I was going to do. I have learned not to make important decisions while on high doses of psychedelics plus weed. I made the thread while I was coming down and in a very unstable frame of mind. Then the following day I read some of LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof and he re-assured me that tripping again was the right thing to do.
also if you read my post, (which was obviously made while tripping) I wasn't asking for advice on when, if or in how long I should trip again. I was asking for advice on how to deal psychologically with what I was going through. Telling me not to do drugs is really of no help in that regard. Sure it might have future benefits, but I was looking for advice on how I could feel better at the time. In this case, I think you should give a person, love and support, not tell them what to do. Its very helpful to share personal experiences like that one guy who told me he felt the same after a high dose LSD but came out of it fine. That was very reassuring, and EXACTLY what I needed to hear at the time, which is why I made the thread.
Thats why I dislike the standard, stop taking drugs line. It doesn't help the person at all in the moment and if youre someone like me who has been doing drugs for a very long time and smoking weed every day for years, saying i have to quit or else just adds more stress to an already stressful situation.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
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I think the blame you're putting on the marijuana could be equally shared with your irresponsible dosage of the cacti. IMO the only safe, reliable dosage is to extract the mescaline from the cactus, so you know how much you're working with.
That being said, I've taken 500mg mescaline before and had a very euphoric, beautiful experience. On the come-down I vaped some cannabis but on the first inhale my body and mind seemed to reject it. It felt way different than normal vaping, I too got the feeling that I abuse cannabis and shouldn't have taken any then. As if the mescaline was insulted that I wasn't completely satisfied with just its effects.
After I finished the vapors and settled into the high those feelings went away though. Ended up being one of my favorite combos. Was watching a movie at that point and the actors were switching between all the characters I've ever seen them play. Was like my memories were ultra-real and imposed over my vision. Made it difficult to tell what was actually happening in this movie, but was a very entertaining and interesting mindset.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Icon]
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I would never extract the mescaline because I believe there are other good alkaloids in the cactus which would be lost were I to do such a thing. I'd probably lose a fair amount of mescaline in the process as well.
IMO cactus is quite safe. I mean I severely overdosed and came out of it physically fine and mentally fine also, until I smoked the hash. But cactus isn't hard to dose if you simply test each batch for strength instead of just assuming that the new cactus is the same as the last like I did. I got received several orders from ebay that were all about the same, and I just assumed that they would all be like that and I would never be lucky enough to get some significantly better. But I was wrong!
I actually believe that nature does this on purpose, because sometimes we need to trip harder than we are willing (or sometimes less hard than we are willing) and if we always knew the strength, this would never happen. Some of the greatest trips of my life have happened as a result of dosage miscalculations. Luckily psychedelics are safe enough that you don't die when you get an especially potent batch.
anyway, i felt exactly like you, that I abuse cannabis and disrespected the cactus by not being satisfied with it alone. I mean at the dosage I took, in a certain sense it is quite ridiculous to not be satisfied with the experience I got and need to add cannabis to it also. I believe its a form of spiritual greed, where I just keep wanting to have more and more incredible spiritual experiences and this is something I need to work on.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22243363 - 09/15/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had a similar bad mescaline experience... It just takes time I think. I hate I had such a horrid trip off it, because it completely turned me off to the stuff and thats been over 10 years ago. I might try it again now, but for the longest time I was repulsed by the stuff... Powerful substances, respect them, never hurts to dose on the low end at first...
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: GeoDMT]
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Meditate on what you saw, heard, learned, felt. It came from the cosmos within, not without. ACCEPT & LEARN
Thanks, you are right. I saw a lot of uncomfortable truths about myself on that trip. I am now learning how to be a better person.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
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Time passes differently. All my trips are uncomfortable. Losing all concepts is absurd, an abomination. Boredom still follows me. Why do I do this to myself? I don't learn anything. Everything is always returns to how it was. I'll be doing it again. Got nothing better to do. It is not possible to become a better person.
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usulpsychonaut said: Time passes differently. All my trips are uncomfortable. Losing all concepts is absurd, an abomination. Boredom still follows me. Why do I do this to myself? I don't learn anything. Everything is always returns to how it was. I'll be doing it again. Got nothing better to do. It is not possible to become a better person.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Peyote Road said: (oh btw, i was shown why white people have no rythm, rhythm is a natural thing but whites have gone so far out of alignment with nature they have lost their rhythm)
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More like fucking stupid. Maybe we whites have no rhythm because we are the most evolved species and you don't need rhythm to survive. We lost our rhythm first. Maybe in a few thousand years the blacks will catch up and lose theirs.
I love how you called somebody else stupid and then followed it up with a significantly more idiotic statement lol
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
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The reason bad things happen to you... Give it a week. Stay hydrated. Masturbate regularly. Eat chocolate. Don't smoke weed, if you want to move on in life.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: maug]
#22250118 - 09/17/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nah Peyote Road knows best what is best for him. For me personally, it would be ridiculous to stop using mescaline frequently right now. An absolute waste of potential. I was due for a total reboot, must avoid being square during the installation.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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usulpsychonaut said: Time passes differently. All my trips are uncomfortable. Losing all concepts is absurd, an abomination. Boredom still follows me. Why do I do this to myself? I don't learn anything. Everything is always returns to how it was. I'll be doing it again. Got nothing better to do. It is not possible to become a better person.
It is not possible to become a better person because you choose not to make different decisions that will better yourself. This is not always apparent either. Things return to the way they were because you've made no change, drugs won't change you, only choice will. Drugs can help you (sometimes) to see those choices, but only your own will and conviction will make those different choices and actually stick to them, not just try it out once, it immediately fails, so you go back to old routines, that shit is redundant.
I'm not trying to be preachy or judgmental, I'm speaking from experience. I've seriously fucked up parts of my life by doing the same shit and making the same mistakes over and over again. It took years and tears and loosing friends and family and drugs and almost jail for me to smarten the fuck up and change it.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said: This is coming from the same guy saying that natural is always better. Looks like the universe decided to teach you a hard lesson. My advice; it's sobriety time. Stop everything...including pot & alcohol for a while. Exercise on a regular basis, eat a solid balanced diet, get enough sleep & meditate for at least 30 minutes per day. Yoga would be great as well. Getting yourself back on track will take time, but doing the above will greatly speed up the process.
this... so many people, after a bad trip, think 'more tripping' is the answer, when it may only make things worse. the only surefire way to recover is to sober up for a while. this worked for me after a horrible mushroom trip. it took a month so to completely recover but it was worth feeling normal again.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Travel]
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this... so many people, after a bad trip, think 'more tripping' is the answer, when it may only make things worse. the only surefire way to recover is to sober up for a while. this worked for me after a horrible mushroom trip. it took a month so to completely recover but it was worth feeling normal again.
I dont know if youve kept up on this thread but more tripping was the answer for me.
Read LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof. He says that after a bad trip, you should trip again as soon as possible.
Sure, not tripping might work but you yourself admitted that it took you a whole month to recover. I recovered a couple of days later by smoking DMT and having a beautiful trip. I think Stanislov Grof knows what he is talking about.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
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I'm happy to hear you're better. but seriously? this is your life we're talking about my friend. and seeing from your posts it sounds like you still have a lot of life to live. 1 month was necessary because the shroom trip was so horrible my thoughts were racing even after i came down. i couldn't think straight. i went insane during the trip; i really thought i was in hell. i understand now why that happened but that's beside the point. if i were to have tripped again while in that state i know i REALLY would have fucked things up even worse. this isn't a game... i'm glad tripping again helped you but it's clear you still have no idea how powerful these drugs can be--especially when you abuse them.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Travel]
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I get that they are powerful but I try to use them for healing purposes and they have healed me in many ways. Were you using the shrooms for healing or trying to get high when you had the bad trip?
I went pretty insane and went to hell too. I saw the devil. I saw many demons. I felt like an escaped mental patient. But I have lived such a deranged, messed up life, that I am very used to things like this happening to me, so they don't affect me in the way they would a regular person.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22259855 - 09/19/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i had healing from a 3.5g trip, then more from a 5g trip, but nothing significant. i wanted more than that. It did teach me things; bad trips can have the best lessons if you listen to them. Don't think for a second that you're in the minority with a messed up life though. don't ever think that. more people are messed up than you think...myself included.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Travel]
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Race isn't a thing... It's a shade of the color brown. We're all brown.
As far as piecing yourself together goes... I should know, because I had 3 years of PTSD and HPPD before I realized your mind can make a fly vanish into thin air... Anyway, I have completely destroyed my past self by expelling it all on synthetic mescaline (shulgin). To be frank, I just missed the point of death and experienced everything I could. Besides running through the course of time as I saw fit (I had the power to perform any action, and if it did not go according to my own delight, I would reverse the action and perform it differently, as if it had not yet happened but with the knowledge of what not to do (I was god))... Paradise is real, heaven is real, etc etc. but the reality is that that is unimportant, less important to free will, doing as you please.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: slacknsurf420]
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As far as piecing yourself together goes... I should know, because I had 3 years of PTSD and HPPD before I realized your mind can make a fly vanish into thin air... Anyway, I have completely destroyed my past self by expelling it all on synthetic mescaline (shulgin). To be frank, I just missed the point of death and experienced everything I could. Besides running through the course of time as I saw fit (I had the power to perform any action, and if it did not go according to my own delight, I would reverse the action and perform it differently, as if it had not yet happened but with the knowledge of what not to do (I was god))... Paradise is real, heaven is real, etc etc. but the reality is that that is unimportant, less important to free will, doing as you please.
Entirely depends on what you mean when you say race "isn't a thing". From a biological perspective: No, it's really not. Humans in different regions have not had enough time to develop actual sub-species of human.
However, from a sociological and psychological perspective, race absolutely is a "thing". You can say it shouldn't be and advocate for some form of egalitarianism, which is a commendable goal and a reasonable position. As of right now, though, race does have a large impact on a person's experience of any given society, and what that experience is differs from place to place.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: LSDreamer]
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I also believe different races have different spirits. For example, I am Italian and German. This means I carry a piece of the holocaust pain within me even though I've never been to Germany or spoken a word of German or been against Jews.
The Holocaust was a very dark chapter in German history and as a result, all Germanic people carry some holocaustian pain within their heart. Because we are all connected, I also share in this pain that is part of the one heart us Germans all share in. I was shown this on mescaline one time.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
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Christianity, Islam and Communism were pretty good at senseless mass murder and general inhumanity. Every human is comes from rape, bestiality, cannibalism, genocide and war. Germany's dark chapter is nothing unique, the Nazis started out as long haired wanderers very similar to the hippies. Christianity was far more brutal than the Nazis ever got to be. Humanity is forever lost in chaos and delusion. Islam is a religion of peace. Nazis are a religion of peace. Both statements are nonsense but one of them is politically correct and is an aggressively enforced point of view.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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why the hell is everyone talking about race and religion and mass murder. has absolutely nothing to do with the title and you're just forcing your views down other people's throats it's stupid
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Peyote Road said: I also believe different races have different spirits. For example, I am Italian and German. This means I carry a piece of the holocaust pain within me even though I've never been to Germany or spoken a word of German or been against Jews.
The Holocaust was a very dark chapter in German history and as a result, all Germanic people carry some holocaustian pain within their heart. Because we are all connected, I also share in this pain that is part of the one heart us Germans all share in. I was shown this on mescaline one time.
I wonder how much of that had to do with your knowledge of German history rather than your inherited guilt. You carry that burden as if your direct ancestors were responsible themselves. And maybe they were, but how does that make you any more guilty just by being aware of it? I'm guessing your german ancestors had ancestors in other cultures that may have committed horrible acts, but you may not feel guilty of them because your lack of awareness.
I don't understand how that divides the common spirit of humanity. Golden rule makes it pretty simple, do unto others as you would have them do to you. No matter who your ancestors are or what they've done, we're all of the same family and spirit.
Plus German is not a race... it's a nation.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22266014 - 09/20/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: Christianity, Islam and Communism were pretty good at senseless mass murder and general inhumanity. Every human is comes from rape, bestiality, cannibalism, genocide and war. Germany's dark chapter is nothing unique, the Nazis started out as long haired wanderers very similar to the hippies. Christianity was far more brutal than the Nazis ever got to be. Humanity is forever lost in chaos and delusion. Islam is a religion of peace. Nazis are a religion of peace. Both statements are nonsense but one of them is politically correct and is an aggressively enforced point of view.
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Christianity, Islam and Communism were pretty good at senseless mass murder and general inhumanity. Every human is comes from rape, bestiality, cannibalism, genocide and war. Germany's dark chapter is nothing unique, the Nazis started out as long haired wanderers very similar to the hippies. Christianity was far more brutal than the Nazis ever got to be. Humanity is forever lost in chaos and delusion. Islam is a religion of peace. Nazis are a religion of peace. Both statements are nonsense but one of them is politically correct and is an aggressively enforced point of view.
I didn't mean to imply that Germany's chapter was unique, although actually I disagree with you about that. The Nazis committed mass murder on a larger scale than had ever been done before throughout the history of humanity. I am not saying there haven't been other actrocities, of course I am aware of the extremely violent history of this planet, but you have to admit the Holocaust still ranks pretty high up there in terms of crimes against humanity.
But to clarify, that's not the point I was making. I was simply using the holocaust as an example (because its very recognizable) to show that every race has its own shared collective pain from the past and everyone who shares in that race genetically or through enculturation takes on some of the pain of the collective.
So, I wasn't necessarily saying that the Germans have it worse than any other group. I was just using them as an example to show how the pain from a horrific event can affect an entire group, even if they are born long after the event took place and seemingly have little to no connection with it. For instance, before that cactus trip I never thought the Holocaust had anything to do with me but the cactus showed me that some of the pain had been transmitted to my own heart through my genetic heritage. Of course you are correct that in comparison to the incredibly violent history of mankind, the holocaust is merely one small event. But as I explained, I was merely using it as example, not trying to say that Germans have it worse than any other race.
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Christianity was far more brutal than the Nazis ever got to be.
I dont know what you mean by that. I know Christians have done some pretty terrible things, but how do you figure they did worse than the Holocaust? Do you have any idea what went on during the Holocaust? I don't really think it is possible to get "far more brutal" than that. Can you explain how one gets "far more brutal" than the Holocaust? Because I can't even imagine what that would look like.
also, being greatly influenced by Christianity myself, I have to point to the positives also. The nazis didn't really do a whole lot of good for the world as far as I am aware. The evil deeds done by Christians are at least offset somewhat by the massive amount of good and charitable things Christians have done. People seem to love to talk about all the bad things Christians have done as if this somehow proves Christianity is bad or something. I have never undertood this because the Bible teaches that humanity is evil. Not naturally evil but evil as a result of the fall. So it should come as no surprise that Christians commit evil. What may come as a surprise however, is all the good Christians have done. Millions upon millions of souls have been saved through Christianity. For thousands of years, Christians have cared for the poor and the sick and the downtrodden, fed the hungry, given shelter to the homeless, brought spiritual truth to the blind, preached love and compassion and forgiveness, etc.
Heck, I myself have volunteered at my church caring for the homeless and I know a lot of other Christians who have done the same. Can you explain what is so evil about that and how it is worse than the Holocaust because I am not seeing it.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Icon]
#22266049 - 09/20/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: I also believe different races have different spirits. For example, I am Italian and German. This means I carry a piece of the holocaust pain within me even though I've never been to Germany or spoken a word of German or been against Jews.
The Holocaust was a very dark chapter in German history and as a result, all Germanic people carry some holocaustian pain within their heart. Because we are all connected, I also share in this pain that is part of the one heart us Germans all share in. I was shown this on mescaline one time.
I wonder how much of that had to do with your knowledge of German history rather than your inherited guilt. You carry that burden as if your direct ancestors were responsible themselves. And maybe they were, but how does that make you any more guilty just by being aware of it? I'm guessing your german ancestors had ancestors in other cultures that may have committed horrible acts, but you may not feel guilty of them because your lack of awareness.
I don't understand how that divides the common spirit of humanity. Golden rule makes it pretty simple, do unto others as you would have them do to you. No matter who your ancestors are or what they've done, we're all of the same family and spirit.
Plus German is not a race... it's a nation.
Basically what I was shown by the cactus was this: we are all connected, so everything you do can be understood in terms of being done to the one heart of humanity. Therefore all the pain humans cause, they ultimately cause the one heart which bares all.
However, the one heart spreads the pain out not in a random fashion but in such a way as to return to people the same energies which they or their ancestors sent out. So because the Germans sent out Holocaustian energies, Holocaustian energies must return to the Germans. Thus anyone who is German or who immerses themself in German culture, will receive some of these Holocaustian energies.
Or something like that. This is simply what the Cactus showed me. I can't really say whether its true or not, but I tend to trust the cactus. If anything I am saying is wrong, it is probably my error in interpreting rather than the cactus being wrong.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22266152 - 09/20/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Take time to integrate your experiences. Cactus isn't going to give you brain damage but if you keep pushing all these psyche's you may end up in the loony bin for a while. It's not the worst thing but it's something to consider.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22266216 - 09/20/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I must be in the looney bin because i believe this.
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Peyote Road said: However, the one heart spreads the pain out not in a random fashion but in such a way as to return to people the same energies which they or their ancestors sent out. So because the Germans sent out Holocaustian energies, Holocaustian energies must return to the Germans. Thus anyone who is German or who immerses themself in German culture, will receive some of these Holocaustian energies.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22267277 - 09/20/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ever heard of the Dark Ages? The Nazis were only around for a few years, how could they possibly have caught up with Christianity, that has been murdering people for nearly 2000 years.
I guess the Nazis were simply a continuation of slaughter by Christians really.
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Catholic extermination camps Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Genibus]
#22267394 - 09/20/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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the dudes probabl a troll look at his name haha
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22267422 - 09/20/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm sorry but I don't see the comparison. Because some guy who professed to be Christian committed such and such atrocities it follows that Christianity is bad? That's not logical. You could just as well argue that atheism is bad because Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist. How does that make any sense?
Christianity is a religion. Let's say I created a religion based around loving others (This I command you, love one another - Jesus), forgiveness (Jesus said to forgive seventy times seven times), treating others as you would wish to be treated (pretty sure Jesus said something about that) caring for the poor, being honest and just, etc and etc, all the principles upon which the teaching of Christ is founded.
Now let's imagine that some of the people who professed to follow my religion did bad things, mostly things which went against what my religion said. Would that make my religion bad? If so, why?
Secondly, as I said before, if you are to argue that Christianity is bad because of the actions of some people who called themselves Christians, its only fair that you also include all the good actions done by people calling themselves Christians.
This is where I am sure Christianity has Nazi Germany beat, by a long shot. While it might have 2,000 year history of murder, violence and oppression, it also has 2,000 year history of producing saints, saving souls, spreading spiritual truth, light and energy, caring for the sick and hungry, providing shelter for the homeless, defending the marginalized, etc.
Pick up any phonebook and tell me how many Chrisitan charities, assistance programs, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, schools, counseling services, etc you find. Now tell me how many Nazi charities you find.
Why you don't mention this? How can you speak about Christianity without mentioning all this? Is it possible you have some sort of biased agenda?
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22267463 - 09/20/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hereditary guilt is bullshit, that's one of the main reasons I lost faith in Christianity as a child. There is no justice in punishing a child for the sins their great-great grandfather. Any God that would do so merely an evil spirit rather than a proper deity.
If we have to pay for our ancestors' crimes though, we'll all fucked for sure. Every culture on earth at some point has committed atrocities.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22267596 - 09/20/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You might think it is bullshit but the fact is, we all pay for each other's misdeeds.
We are at a time in history where this is quite evident with what has been done to the natural world. I didn't ask to be born into a world where the rivers are polluted, where most of the natural beauty has been paved over, where many species of creature have been extinct or only exist in zoos or preserves, etc. But I must pay for the misdeeds of my ancestors.
Please don't lose faith over that. It is simply your arrogance showing itself, in thinking you know better what is fair than God. This is why pride is the cardinal sin folks.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#22267693 - 09/21/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nazis were just people like the rest of us. There would have been much nazi humanitarian work done if they were to be around for 1700 years. I am a Christian. I choose not to forget that Christians mass murdered pagans and healers. I am fond of many opposing things. Jews, Isreal and Zionists have my respect, there is plenty of Jewish supremacy around. WW2 happened, like the weather happens. I'm not going to elevate nazis as evil incarnate. Revolutions cause inhumanity. Psychotic murders always grab the reigns of power during revolutions and kill allot of people. Genocide was around for a long time before the Nazis, without Christianity, there would never have been any Nazis. It is impossible to make sense of history. Chaos rules the world and no one knows shit about anything.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22267764 - 09/21/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just remember these things create chemical imbalances in your brain, the things you see and/or feel are not necessarily true, and most likely untrue. It is quite impossible to live without defense mechanism or denial systems I believe. I once read a sentiment saying everyone intellectually knows they are going to die, but no one truly believes it or we would be in a state of sheer panic. Having nearly drowned once, I believe it.
As everyone else is saying, give it some time I suppose, glad your a bit better though.
Also, I really don't want to get into a spiritual debate, but if you think god gets a laugh "revealing" himself to trippers, I suggest you put your logic hat on and think that over a bit.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22267869 - 09/21/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: is it possible i did some kind of damage to my nervous system? i feel empty inside, whereas before the hash I felt full of love and peace and joy. what have i done to myself? its like theres nothing left of me, just this jagged unfillable emptiness.
be careful combining cannabis with ridiculously intense cactus trips folks. this combo can get a little out of hand, major splitting of the ego, being in different places at once,
Sounds like when i mix alcohol with LSD before i overcame the mindgames. I am going to assume you convinced youself things about this reality, and how maybe its not so real, left withiut purpose. You made the assumption that whites have no rythem. Assumptions are danherous. If yiu believe they have no rythem, i believe deep down you know you lack this rythem. Its time now, to combat everyhing you convinced yourself, with fact. And if you cant find fact, its time for positice re-enforcement.
For example, my biggist psychosis, was that this life, isnt real at all, its a big escapade beyond our comprehension, a biological coding. Like binary for computers. But DMT is the root of all things kiving, code. I felt distraught. I felt i am in a dream world, a coma. As if i were god of all things. And i banished myself to this world (hell) amd split myself up into everything and everyone, and until i learn my lesson, ill be here to live life over and ov3r and over in new shells.
I still havent come over this psychosis. But i have mended it. I still believe it all. Its not something i can undo.
But guess what. If this is all fake, and doesnt matter, ima still play this damn dumb game to the best i can. And i do. And im happy. Not bothered any longer. Nor threatened by the thought of death. Ill get to do it again eventually.
So yoj see, whatever it is inside of you, you broke down, and over analyzed, you MUST give it reason. Im not going to be the same again, but honestly, believeing what i believe, im glad i wont be. I feel (i know) that these others around me, are open to manipulation and influence. Something i am now free of. I looked upon all of my influences. Ones i didnt even know influenced me at all. Now i am the creator to my own path. And these people have glass foreheads. I can see whats going on and where they are coming from, for i was there, now social situations are mine to control. For its all fake anyways right? =p its a clusterfuck. I wish you luck sir.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut] 1
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usulpsychonaut said: Nazis were just people like the rest of us.
There would have been much nazi humanitarian work done if they were to be around for 1700 years. I am a Christian. I choose not to forget that Christians mass murdered pagans and healers. I am fond of many opposing things. Jews, Isreal and Zionists have my respect, there is plenty of Jewish supremacy around. WW2 happened, like the weather happens. I'm not going to elevate nazis as evil incarnate. Revolutions cause inhumanity. Psychotic murders always grab the reigns of power during revolutions and kill allot of people. Genocide was around for a long time before the Nazis, without Christianity, there would never have been any Nazis. It is impossible to make sense of history. Chaos rules the world and no one knows shit about anything.
I agree. I simply used the holocaust as an example for something. I wasn't trying to demonize Nazis or compare them to Christians.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22268070 - 09/21/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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All knowing, all powerful, benevolent. Three conflicting ideas in a world with so much wrong and evil happening. Christians also believe the old testament of fire and brimstone and eye for an eye as much as the new testament. Not speaking down about Christians either I believe for the vast majority of has done far more good for the common faith holder. Destroying the earth is an atrocity that spans beyond all races and creeds and effects all.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: nuentoter]
#22268091 - 09/21/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No they don't, the new testament is contains the gospel message. It is the fullfillment of what the Old Testament is building to. Most Christian know this.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
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The old testament is hogwash where they stone the women to death who have been raped. The new testament was made by king james in the dark ages to make you pay money to abolish your sinful soul to heaven.
Massive tool of control. Its laughable people still live by it.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: MysticMoteToter]
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MysticMoteToter said: the dudes probabl a troll look at his name haha
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
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If you actually put forth some effort toward studying the old testament, you would find it rich in spiritual wisdom and allegory. It is a brilliant work, like the Bhagavad Gita or the Teo Te Ching. If you want to ignore all that because of some parts you don't like, that's your decision, but don't pretend it isn't in there.
As for the new testament, I have no idea how you think it was made by King James. King James wasn't even alive at the time the NT was written.
Also, just because some people have used the Bible to control people or make money, does not invalidate the spiritual teachings contained in the Bible.
Use logic my friend. So many people seem to make that error. They point to some aspect of Christian history that is questionable or corrupt and act as if that somehow invalidates the teaching of Christ.
Well, it doesn't. God's law remains unaffected by human doings. If you don't trust the purity of the Biblical documents translation, I suggest studying other religions as well as the apocrypha. This wil help give you an idea of what sort of spiritual thought currents were floating around when the Bible was written and you'll be able to judge for yourself what to believe in.
For example, Buddha spoke of the Law also, even though Buddhism isn't even really a theistic religion. That should tell you something. Once you have developed sufficient spiritual discernment, you will be able to understad the wisdom in the Bible and leave the parts that don't make sense to you. You can leave those for priests and theologians to ponder over and simply take what you need for your own spiritual growth and evolution. The Bible is really a wonderful collection of spiritual writings. Thats why its so popular all these year. most people who critisize it have not really prayerfully studied it or applied it to their lives, imo.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
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Peyote Road said: If you actually put forth some effort toward studying the old testament, you would find it rich in spiritual wisdom and allegory. It is a brilliant work, like the Bhagavad Gita or the Teo Te Ching. If you want to ignore all that because of some parts you don't like, that's your decision, but don't pretend it isn't in there.
As for the new testament, I have no idea how you think it was made by King James. King James wasn't even alive at the time the NT was written.
Also, just because some people have used the Bible to control people or make money, does not invalidate the spiritual teachings contained in the Bible.
Use logic my friend. So many people seem to make that error. They point to some aspect of Christian history that is questionable or corrupt and act as if that somehow invalidates the teaching of Christ.
Well, it doesn't. God's law remains unaffected by human doings. If you don't trust the purity of the Biblical documents translation, I suggest studying other religions as well as the apocrypha. This wil help give you an idea of what sort of spiritual thought currents were floating around when the Bible was written and you'll be able to judge for yourself what to believe in.
For example, Buddha spoke of the Law also, even though Buddhism isn't even really a theistic religion. That should tell you something. Once you have developed sufficient spiritual discernment, you will be able to understad the wisdom in the Bible and leave the parts that don't make sense to you. You can leave those for priests and theologians to ponder over and simply take what you need for your own spiritual growth and evolution. The Bible is really a wonderful collection of spiritual writings. Thats why its so popular all these year. most people who critisize it have not really prayerfully studied it or applied it to their lives, imo.
  
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22268516 - 09/21/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not saying there wasnt. But its all pretty primitive. Saying basically we arent shit. All hail the trinity and christ and if we dont we will be damned.
Sounds like fear tactics to keep people in line. People saw lighting and didnt know what to think 2000 years ago. And a smart man probably took the opportunity to take control of everyone's - - and called it god. Dont make god msd this and that.
Really, i suscribe to the Buddhist ideals far more. They dont discredit Christiananity, and many monks go on to talk about Jesus christ. He was a real man. A son of god like we all are. A very enlightened man, like many over the ages. Like Buddha himself. Buddha isnt god, he was a man, who connected to the higher power, like Christ. We all, everyone of us have the same powers and capabilities as these enlightened men. Wether we choose the path and walk it correct is another thing. Anyone or anything that instills fear in a human, to change their mind, is manipulative fear tactics.
The whole basis of Catholicism is exactly that.
But who lnows. Its all religous mumbo jumbo. But facts are facts. Fear is used to control the outlook of another. So fuck that bible.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: voodoochild1000]
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
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I'm going to recieve hate for this, but there isn't a guide or person or being capable of or preventing you from reaching paradise.
I have been to paradise. I can tell you I haven't done many wrongs and I am a good person. I was very young (23) and it was incredibly difficult to get there. Again, I used synthetic mescaline and I would be taken as a fool by many, many people.
All it is is light. It's flourescent and you can 'walk' within it. There is no food or water, only light. You'll see trees. There is nobody there, just you (in my instance). I was probably there to die with it, I have a cold, sinking feeling I was greedy to live on.
But anyway, I'm not going to preach I'm the messiah or whatever. I'm still just a man. Just fullfilled is all.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: slacknsurf420]
#22437680 - 10/26/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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slacknsurf420 said: I'm going to recieve hate for this, but there isn't a guide or person or being capable of or preventing you from reaching paradise.
I have been to paradise. I can tell you I haven't done many wrongs and I am a good person. I was very young (23) and it was incredibly difficult to get there. Again, I used synthetic mescaline and I would be taken as a fool by many, many people.
All it is is light. It's flourescent and you can 'walk' within it. There is no food or water, only light. You'll see trees. There is nobody there, just you (in my instance). I was probably there to die with it, I have a cold, sinking feeling I was greedy to live on.
But anyway, I'm not going to preach I'm the messiah or whatever. I'm still just a man. Just fullfilled is all.
I don't see why you should receive hate for that. Sounds like a beautiful experience friend
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22438276 - 10/26/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: Im not saying there wasnt. But its all pretty primitive. Saying basically we arent shit. All hail the trinity and christ and if we dont we will be damned.
Sounds like fear tactics to keep people in line. People saw lighting and didnt know what to think 2000 years ago. And a smart man probably took the opportunity to take control of everyone's - - and called it god. Dont make god msd this and that.
Really, i suscribe to the Buddhist ideals far more. They dont discredit Christiananity, and many monks go on to talk about Jesus christ. He was a real man. A son of god like we all are. A very enlightened man, like many over the ages. Like Buddha himself. Buddha isnt god, he was a man, who connected to the higher power, like Christ. We all, everyone of us have the same powers and capabilities as these enlightened men. Wether we choose the path and walk it correct is another thing. Anyone or anything that instills fear in a human, to change their mind, is manipulative fear tactics.
The whole basis of Catholicism is exactly that.
But who lnows. Its all religous mumbo jumbo. But facts are facts. Fear is used to control the outlook of another. So fuck that bible.
As someone who has a fair amount of experience with Catholocism I would say what you are saying is only partially true. Yes, it is true that the Catholic Church has abused its power and used fear and manipulation to gain even more power and control. However, to just completely dismiss Catholicism because of that has never made sense to me. The fact of the matter is that the Catholic Church has actually also done quite a bit of good and a great many souls have been saved through it. If you actually read what the church teaches today, you will see its not a message of fear but one of love and forgiveness. And in ages past, even when the church went through it's darkest times and, there were always voices within the church preaching the truth and bringing forth great spiritual teachings. I don't see how anyone can read the great Catholic mystics and saints like St. John of the Cross of St. Teresa of Avila and find no spiritual value in Catholicism.
The Catholic Church is an enormous church that has spanned millennia in time. You can't just characterize it as being all one way in my opinion. It's far from perfect for sure but that doesn't mean its no good at all. The biggest problem the Church is facing today is in my opinion, the adherence to doctrine and rules over pure spiritual truth. The Catholic Church has this unfortunate tendency to insist that it is right and that it's way of seeing things is superior to everyone elses. The sex abuse scandal was also really bad.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22439393 - 10/27/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: Im not saying there wasnt. But its all pretty primitive. Saying basically we arent shit. All hail the trinity and christ and if we dont we will be damned.
Sounds like fear tactics to keep people in line. People saw lighting and didnt know what to think 2000 years ago. And a smart man probably took the opportunity to take control of everyone's - - and called it god. Dont make god msd this and that.
Really, i suscribe to the Buddhist ideals far more. They dont discredit Christiananity, and many monks go on to talk about Jesus christ. He was a real man. A son of god like we all are. A very enlightened man, like many over the ages. Like Buddha himself. Buddha isnt god, he was a man, who connected to the higher power, like Christ. We all, everyone of us have the same powers and capabilities as these enlightened men. Wether we choose the path and walk it correct is another thing. Anyone or anything that instills fear in a human, to change their mind, is manipulative fear tactics.
The whole basis of Catholicism is exactly that.
But who lnows. Its all religous mumbo jumbo. But facts are facts. Fear is used to control the outlook of another. So fuck that bible.
Look up the early gnostic sects, they were much more like buddhists and closer to the true words of Christ. As the many sects and churches developed they warped the message and used it more and more for control.
Religion has always been a double edged sword, containing wisdom and truth for the intelligent and those who control the knowledge, ie the priest class and rich and powerful, while at the same time being seeded with tools of control and manipulation that can be used against the populace for mind control.
Every religion has something of value if you treat it all as metaphor, otherwise, it's a bunch of irrational crap.
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