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Peyote Road
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22267422 - 09/20/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm sorry but I don't see the comparison. Because some guy who professed to be Christian committed such and such atrocities it follows that Christianity is bad? That's not logical. You could just as well argue that atheism is bad because Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist. How does that make any sense?
Christianity is a religion. Let's say I created a religion based around loving others (This I command you, love one another - Jesus), forgiveness (Jesus said to forgive seventy times seven times), treating others as you would wish to be treated (pretty sure Jesus said something about that) caring for the poor, being honest and just, etc and etc, all the principles upon which the teaching of Christ is founded.
Now let's imagine that some of the people who professed to follow my religion did bad things, mostly things which went against what my religion said. Would that make my religion bad? If so, why?
Secondly, as I said before, if you are to argue that Christianity is bad because of the actions of some people who called themselves Christians, its only fair that you also include all the good actions done by people calling themselves Christians.
This is where I am sure Christianity has Nazi Germany beat, by a long shot. While it might have 2,000 year history of murder, violence and oppression, it also has 2,000 year history of producing saints, saving souls, spreading spiritual truth, light and energy, caring for the sick and hungry, providing shelter for the homeless, defending the marginalized, etc.
Pick up any phonebook and tell me how many Chrisitan charities, assistance programs, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, schools, counseling services, etc you find. Now tell me how many Nazi charities you find.
Why you don't mention this? How can you speak about Christianity without mentioning all this? Is it possible you have some sort of biased agenda?
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22267463 - 09/20/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hereditary guilt is bullshit, that's one of the main reasons I lost faith in Christianity as a child. There is no justice in punishing a child for the sins their great-great grandfather. Any God that would do so merely an evil spirit rather than a proper deity.
If we have to pay for our ancestors' crimes though, we'll all fucked for sure. Every culture on earth at some point has committed atrocities.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22267596 - 09/20/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You might think it is bullshit but the fact is, we all pay for each other's misdeeds.
We are at a time in history where this is quite evident with what has been done to the natural world. I didn't ask to be born into a world where the rivers are polluted, where most of the natural beauty has been paved over, where many species of creature have been extinct or only exist in zoos or preserves, etc. But I must pay for the misdeeds of my ancestors.
Please don't lose faith over that. It is simply your arrogance showing itself, in thinking you know better what is fair than God. This is why pride is the cardinal sin folks.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#22267693 - 09/21/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nazis were just people like the rest of us. There would have been much nazi humanitarian work done if they were to be around for 1700 years. I am a Christian. I choose not to forget that Christians mass murdered pagans and healers. I am fond of many opposing things. Jews, Isreal and Zionists have my respect, there is plenty of Jewish supremacy around. WW2 happened, like the weather happens. I'm not going to elevate nazis as evil incarnate. Revolutions cause inhumanity. Psychotic murders always grab the reigns of power during revolutions and kill allot of people. Genocide was around for a long time before the Nazis, without Christianity, there would never have been any Nazis. It is impossible to make sense of history. Chaos rules the world and no one knows shit about anything.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22267764 - 09/21/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just remember these things create chemical imbalances in your brain, the things you see and/or feel are not necessarily true, and most likely untrue. It is quite impossible to live without defense mechanism or denial systems I believe. I once read a sentiment saying everyone intellectually knows they are going to die, but no one truly believes it or we would be in a state of sheer panic. Having nearly drowned once, I believe it.
As everyone else is saying, give it some time I suppose, glad your a bit better though.
Also, I really don't want to get into a spiritual debate, but if you think god gets a laugh "revealing" himself to trippers, I suggest you put your logic hat on and think that over a bit.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22267869 - 09/21/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: is it possible i did some kind of damage to my nervous system? i feel empty inside, whereas before the hash I felt full of love and peace and joy. what have i done to myself? its like theres nothing left of me, just this jagged unfillable emptiness.
be careful combining cannabis with ridiculously intense cactus trips folks. this combo can get a little out of hand, major splitting of the ego, being in different places at once,
Sounds like when i mix alcohol with LSD before i overcame the mindgames. I am going to assume you convinced youself things about this reality, and how maybe its not so real, left withiut purpose. You made the assumption that whites have no rythem. Assumptions are danherous. If yiu believe they have no rythem, i believe deep down you know you lack this rythem. Its time now, to combat everyhing you convinced yourself, with fact. And if you cant find fact, its time for positice re-enforcement.
For example, my biggist psychosis, was that this life, isnt real at all, its a big escapade beyond our comprehension, a biological coding. Like binary for computers. But DMT is the root of all things kiving, code. I felt distraught. I felt i am in a dream world, a coma. As if i were god of all things. And i banished myself to this world (hell) amd split myself up into everything and everyone, and until i learn my lesson, ill be here to live life over and ov3r and over in new shells.
I still havent come over this psychosis. But i have mended it. I still believe it all. Its not something i can undo.
But guess what. If this is all fake, and doesnt matter, ima still play this damn dumb game to the best i can. And i do. And im happy. Not bothered any longer. Nor threatened by the thought of death. Ill get to do it again eventually.
So yoj see, whatever it is inside of you, you broke down, and over analyzed, you MUST give it reason. Im not going to be the same again, but honestly, believeing what i believe, im glad i wont be. I feel (i know) that these others around me, are open to manipulation and influence. Something i am now free of. I looked upon all of my influences. Ones i didnt even know influenced me at all. Now i am the creator to my own path. And these people have glass foreheads. I can see whats going on and where they are coming from, for i was there, now social situations are mine to control. For its all fake anyways right? =p its a clusterfuck. I wish you luck sir.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut] 1
#22268021 - 09/21/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: Nazis were just people like the rest of us.
There would have been much nazi humanitarian work done if they were to be around for 1700 years. I am a Christian. I choose not to forget that Christians mass murdered pagans and healers. I am fond of many opposing things. Jews, Isreal and Zionists have my respect, there is plenty of Jewish supremacy around. WW2 happened, like the weather happens. I'm not going to elevate nazis as evil incarnate. Revolutions cause inhumanity. Psychotic murders always grab the reigns of power during revolutions and kill allot of people. Genocide was around for a long time before the Nazis, without Christianity, there would never have been any Nazis. It is impossible to make sense of history. Chaos rules the world and no one knows shit about anything.
I agree. I simply used the holocaust as an example for something. I wasn't trying to demonize Nazis or compare them to Christians.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22268070 - 09/21/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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All knowing, all powerful, benevolent. Three conflicting ideas in a world with so much wrong and evil happening. Christians also believe the old testament of fire and brimstone and eye for an eye as much as the new testament. Not speaking down about Christians either I believe for the vast majority of has done far more good for the common faith holder. Destroying the earth is an atrocity that spans beyond all races and creeds and effects all.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: nuentoter]
#22268091 - 09/21/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No they don't, the new testament is contains the gospel message. It is the fullfillment of what the Old Testament is building to. Most Christian know this.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22268136 - 09/21/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The old testament is hogwash where they stone the women to death who have been raped. The new testament was made by king james in the dark ages to make you pay money to abolish your sinful soul to heaven.
Massive tool of control. Its laughable people still live by it.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: MysticMoteToter]
#22268289 - 09/21/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MysticMoteToter said: the dudes probabl a troll look at his name haha
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22268317 - 09/21/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you actually put forth some effort toward studying the old testament, you would find it rich in spiritual wisdom and allegory. It is a brilliant work, like the Bhagavad Gita or the Teo Te Ching. If you want to ignore all that because of some parts you don't like, that's your decision, but don't pretend it isn't in there.
As for the new testament, I have no idea how you think it was made by King James. King James wasn't even alive at the time the NT was written.
Also, just because some people have used the Bible to control people or make money, does not invalidate the spiritual teachings contained in the Bible.
Use logic my friend. So many people seem to make that error. They point to some aspect of Christian history that is questionable or corrupt and act as if that somehow invalidates the teaching of Christ.
Well, it doesn't. God's law remains unaffected by human doings. If you don't trust the purity of the Biblical documents translation, I suggest studying other religions as well as the apocrypha. This wil help give you an idea of what sort of spiritual thought currents were floating around when the Bible was written and you'll be able to judge for yourself what to believe in.
For example, Buddha spoke of the Law also, even though Buddhism isn't even really a theistic religion. That should tell you something. Once you have developed sufficient spiritual discernment, you will be able to understad the wisdom in the Bible and leave the parts that don't make sense to you. You can leave those for priests and theologians to ponder over and simply take what you need for your own spiritual growth and evolution. The Bible is really a wonderful collection of spiritual writings. Thats why its so popular all these year. most people who critisize it have not really prayerfully studied it or applied it to their lives, imo.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22268396 - 09/21/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: If you actually put forth some effort toward studying the old testament, you would find it rich in spiritual wisdom and allegory. It is a brilliant work, like the Bhagavad Gita or the Teo Te Ching. If you want to ignore all that because of some parts you don't like, that's your decision, but don't pretend it isn't in there.
As for the new testament, I have no idea how you think it was made by King James. King James wasn't even alive at the time the NT was written.
Also, just because some people have used the Bible to control people or make money, does not invalidate the spiritual teachings contained in the Bible.
Use logic my friend. So many people seem to make that error. They point to some aspect of Christian history that is questionable or corrupt and act as if that somehow invalidates the teaching of Christ.
Well, it doesn't. God's law remains unaffected by human doings. If you don't trust the purity of the Biblical documents translation, I suggest studying other religions as well as the apocrypha. This wil help give you an idea of what sort of spiritual thought currents were floating around when the Bible was written and you'll be able to judge for yourself what to believe in.
For example, Buddha spoke of the Law also, even though Buddhism isn't even really a theistic religion. That should tell you something. Once you have developed sufficient spiritual discernment, you will be able to understad the wisdom in the Bible and leave the parts that don't make sense to you. You can leave those for priests and theologians to ponder over and simply take what you need for your own spiritual growth and evolution. The Bible is really a wonderful collection of spiritual writings. Thats why its so popular all these year. most people who critisize it have not really prayerfully studied it or applied it to their lives, imo.
  
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22268516 - 09/21/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not saying there wasnt. But its all pretty primitive. Saying basically we arent shit. All hail the trinity and christ and if we dont we will be damned.
Sounds like fear tactics to keep people in line. People saw lighting and didnt know what to think 2000 years ago. And a smart man probably took the opportunity to take control of everyone's - - and called it god. Dont make god msd this and that.
Really, i suscribe to the Buddhist ideals far more. They dont discredit Christiananity, and many monks go on to talk about Jesus christ. He was a real man. A son of god like we all are. A very enlightened man, like many over the ages. Like Buddha himself. Buddha isnt god, he was a man, who connected to the higher power, like Christ. We all, everyone of us have the same powers and capabilities as these enlightened men. Wether we choose the path and walk it correct is another thing. Anyone or anything that instills fear in a human, to change their mind, is manipulative fear tactics.
The whole basis of Catholicism is exactly that.
But who lnows. Its all religous mumbo jumbo. But facts are facts. Fear is used to control the outlook of another. So fuck that bible.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22268771 - 09/21/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha thanks man Herb Garden is the shit!
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22436826 - 10/26/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm going to recieve hate for this, but there isn't a guide or person or being capable of or preventing you from reaching paradise.
I have been to paradise. I can tell you I haven't done many wrongs and I am a good person. I was very young (23) and it was incredibly difficult to get there. Again, I used synthetic mescaline and I would be taken as a fool by many, many people.
All it is is light. It's flourescent and you can 'walk' within it. There is no food or water, only light. You'll see trees. There is nobody there, just you (in my instance). I was probably there to die with it, I have a cold, sinking feeling I was greedy to live on.
But anyway, I'm not going to preach I'm the messiah or whatever. I'm still just a man. Just fullfilled is all.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: slacknsurf420]
#22437680 - 10/26/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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slacknsurf420 said: I'm going to recieve hate for this, but there isn't a guide or person or being capable of or preventing you from reaching paradise.
I have been to paradise. I can tell you I haven't done many wrongs and I am a good person. I was very young (23) and it was incredibly difficult to get there. Again, I used synthetic mescaline and I would be taken as a fool by many, many people.
All it is is light. It's flourescent and you can 'walk' within it. There is no food or water, only light. You'll see trees. There is nobody there, just you (in my instance). I was probably there to die with it, I have a cold, sinking feeling I was greedy to live on.
But anyway, I'm not going to preach I'm the messiah or whatever. I'm still just a man. Just fullfilled is all.
I don't see why you should receive hate for that. Sounds like a beautiful experience friend
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22438276 - 10/26/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: Im not saying there wasnt. But its all pretty primitive. Saying basically we arent shit. All hail the trinity and christ and if we dont we will be damned.
Sounds like fear tactics to keep people in line. People saw lighting and didnt know what to think 2000 years ago. And a smart man probably took the opportunity to take control of everyone's - - and called it god. Dont make god msd this and that.
Really, i suscribe to the Buddhist ideals far more. They dont discredit Christiananity, and many monks go on to talk about Jesus christ. He was a real man. A son of god like we all are. A very enlightened man, like many over the ages. Like Buddha himself. Buddha isnt god, he was a man, who connected to the higher power, like Christ. We all, everyone of us have the same powers and capabilities as these enlightened men. Wether we choose the path and walk it correct is another thing. Anyone or anything that instills fear in a human, to change their mind, is manipulative fear tactics.
The whole basis of Catholicism is exactly that.
But who lnows. Its all religous mumbo jumbo. But facts are facts. Fear is used to control the outlook of another. So fuck that bible.
As someone who has a fair amount of experience with Catholocism I would say what you are saying is only partially true. Yes, it is true that the Catholic Church has abused its power and used fear and manipulation to gain even more power and control. However, to just completely dismiss Catholicism because of that has never made sense to me. The fact of the matter is that the Catholic Church has actually also done quite a bit of good and a great many souls have been saved through it. If you actually read what the church teaches today, you will see its not a message of fear but one of love and forgiveness. And in ages past, even when the church went through it's darkest times and, there were always voices within the church preaching the truth and bringing forth great spiritual teachings. I don't see how anyone can read the great Catholic mystics and saints like St. John of the Cross of St. Teresa of Avila and find no spiritual value in Catholicism.
The Catholic Church is an enormous church that has spanned millennia in time. You can't just characterize it as being all one way in my opinion. It's far from perfect for sure but that doesn't mean its no good at all. The biggest problem the Church is facing today is in my opinion, the adherence to doctrine and rules over pure spiritual truth. The Catholic Church has this unfortunate tendency to insist that it is right and that it's way of seeing things is superior to everyone elses. The sex abuse scandal was also really bad.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22439393 - 10/27/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: Im not saying there wasnt. But its all pretty primitive. Saying basically we arent shit. All hail the trinity and christ and if we dont we will be damned.
Sounds like fear tactics to keep people in line. People saw lighting and didnt know what to think 2000 years ago. And a smart man probably took the opportunity to take control of everyone's - - and called it god. Dont make god msd this and that.
Really, i suscribe to the Buddhist ideals far more. They dont discredit Christiananity, and many monks go on to talk about Jesus christ. He was a real man. A son of god like we all are. A very enlightened man, like many over the ages. Like Buddha himself. Buddha isnt god, he was a man, who connected to the higher power, like Christ. We all, everyone of us have the same powers and capabilities as these enlightened men. Wether we choose the path and walk it correct is another thing. Anyone or anything that instills fear in a human, to change their mind, is manipulative fear tactics.
The whole basis of Catholicism is exactly that.
But who lnows. Its all religous mumbo jumbo. But facts are facts. Fear is used to control the outlook of another. So fuck that bible.
Look up the early gnostic sects, they were much more like buddhists and closer to the true words of Christ. As the many sects and churches developed they warped the message and used it more and more for control.
Religion has always been a double edged sword, containing wisdom and truth for the intelligent and those who control the knowledge, ie the priest class and rich and powerful, while at the same time being seeded with tools of control and manipulation that can be used against the populace for mind control.
Every religion has something of value if you treat it all as metaphor, otherwise, it's a bunch of irrational crap.
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