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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22249264 - 09/17/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: i am probably going to have to trip again just to heal myself from this trip
The reason bad things happen to you... Give it a week. Stay hydrated. Masturbate regularly. Eat chocolate. Don't smoke weed, if you want to move on in life.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: maug]
#22250118 - 09/17/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nah Peyote Road knows best what is best for him. For me personally, it would be ridiculous to stop using mescaline frequently right now. An absolute waste of potential. I was due for a total reboot, must avoid being square during the installation.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22250506 - 09/17/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: Time passes differently. All my trips are uncomfortable. Losing all concepts is absurd, an abomination. Boredom still follows me. Why do I do this to myself? I don't learn anything. Everything is always returns to how it was. I'll be doing it again. Got nothing better to do. It is not possible to become a better person.
It is not possible to become a better person because you choose not to make different decisions that will better yourself. This is not always apparent either. Things return to the way they were because you've made no change, drugs won't change you, only choice will. Drugs can help you (sometimes) to see those choices, but only your own will and conviction will make those different choices and actually stick to them, not just try it out once, it immediately fails, so you go back to old routines, that shit is redundant.
I'm not trying to be preachy or judgmental, I'm speaking from experience. I've seriously fucked up parts of my life by doing the same shit and making the same mistakes over and over again. It took years and tears and loosing friends and family and drugs and almost jail for me to smarten the fuck up and change it.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Dark_Star]
#22252322 - 09/17/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: i am probably going to have to trip again just to heal myself from this trip

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Dark_Star said: This is coming from the same guy saying that natural is always better. Looks like the universe decided to teach you a hard lesson. My advice; it's sobriety time. Stop everything...including pot & alcohol for a while. Exercise on a regular basis, eat a solid balanced diet, get enough sleep & meditate for at least 30 minutes per day. Yoga would be great as well. Getting yourself back on track will take time, but doing the above will greatly speed up the process.
this... so many people, after a bad trip, think 'more tripping' is the answer, when it may only make things worse. the only surefire way to recover is to sober up for a while. this worked for me after a horrible mushroom trip. it took a month so to completely recover but it was worth feeling normal again.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Travel]
#22252910 - 09/17/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why do you think you know better than Stanislov Grof? He said more Quote:
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Peyote Road said: i am probably going to have to trip again just to heal myself from this trip

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Dark_Star said: This is coming from the same guy saying that natural is always better. Looks like the universe decided to teach you a hard lesson. My advice; it's sobriety time. Stop everything...including pot & alcohol for a while. Exercise on a regular basis, eat a solid balanced diet, get enough sleep & meditate for at least 30 minutes per day. Yoga would be great as well. Getting yourself back on track will take time, but doing the above will greatly speed up the process.
this... so many people, after a bad trip, think 'more tripping' is the answer, when it may only make things worse. the only surefire way to recover is to sober up for a while. this worked for me after a horrible mushroom trip. it took a month so to completely recover but it was worth feeling normal again.
I dont know if youve kept up on this thread but more tripping was the answer for me.
Read LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof. He says that after a bad trip, you should trip again as soon as possible.
Sure, not tripping might work but you yourself admitted that it took you a whole month to recover. I recovered a couple of days later by smoking DMT and having a beautiful trip. I think Stanislov Grof knows what he is talking about.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22257118 - 09/18/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm happy to hear you're better. but seriously? this is your life we're talking about my friend. and seeing from your posts it sounds like you still have a lot of life to live. 1 month was necessary because the shroom trip was so horrible my thoughts were racing even after i came down. i couldn't think straight. i went insane during the trip; i really thought i was in hell. i understand now why that happened but that's beside the point. if i were to have tripped again while in that state i know i REALLY would have fucked things up even worse. this isn't a game... i'm glad tripping again helped you but it's clear you still have no idea how powerful these drugs can be--especially when you abuse them.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Travel]
#22257391 - 09/18/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I get that they are powerful but I try to use them for healing purposes and they have healed me in many ways. Were you using the shrooms for healing or trying to get high when you had the bad trip?
I went pretty insane and went to hell too. I saw the devil. I saw many demons. I felt like an escaped mental patient. But I have lived such a deranged, messed up life, that I am very used to things like this happening to me, so they don't affect me in the way they would a regular person.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22259855 - 09/19/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i had healing from a 3.5g trip, then more from a 5g trip, but nothing significant. i wanted more than that. It did teach me things; bad trips can have the best lessons if you listen to them. Don't think for a second that you're in the minority with a messed up life though. don't ever think that. more people are messed up than you think...myself included.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Travel]
#22261110 - 09/19/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Race isn't a thing... It's a shade of the color brown. We're all brown.
As far as piecing yourself together goes... I should know, because I had 3 years of PTSD and HPPD before I realized your mind can make a fly vanish into thin air... Anyway, I have completely destroyed my past self by expelling it all on synthetic mescaline (shulgin). To be frank, I just missed the point of death and experienced everything I could. Besides running through the course of time as I saw fit (I had the power to perform any action, and if it did not go according to my own delight, I would reverse the action and perform it differently, as if it had not yet happened but with the knowledge of what not to do (I was god))... Paradise is real, heaven is real, etc etc. but the reality is that that is unimportant, less important to free will, doing as you please.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: slacknsurf420]
#22261254 - 09/19/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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slacknsurf420 said: Race isn't a thing... It's a shade of the color brown. We're all brown.
As far as piecing yourself together goes... I should know, because I had 3 years of PTSD and HPPD before I realized your mind can make a fly vanish into thin air... Anyway, I have completely destroyed my past self by expelling it all on synthetic mescaline (shulgin). To be frank, I just missed the point of death and experienced everything I could. Besides running through the course of time as I saw fit (I had the power to perform any action, and if it did not go according to my own delight, I would reverse the action and perform it differently, as if it had not yet happened but with the knowledge of what not to do (I was god))... Paradise is real, heaven is real, etc etc. but the reality is that that is unimportant, less important to free will, doing as you please.
Entirely depends on what you mean when you say race "isn't a thing". From a biological perspective: No, it's really not. Humans in different regions have not had enough time to develop actual sub-species of human.
However, from a sociological and psychological perspective, race absolutely is a "thing". You can say it shouldn't be and advocate for some form of egalitarianism, which is a commendable goal and a reasonable position. As of right now, though, race does have a large impact on a person's experience of any given society, and what that experience is differs from place to place.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: LSDreamer]
#22263119 - 09/20/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I also believe different races have different spirits. For example, I am Italian and German. This means I carry a piece of the holocaust pain within me even though I've never been to Germany or spoken a word of German or been against Jews.
The Holocaust was a very dark chapter in German history and as a result, all Germanic people carry some holocaustian pain within their heart. Because we are all connected, I also share in this pain that is part of the one heart us Germans all share in. I was shown this on mescaline one time.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22263521 - 09/20/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Christianity, Islam and Communism were pretty good at senseless mass murder and general inhumanity. Every human is comes from rape, bestiality, cannibalism, genocide and war. Germany's dark chapter is nothing unique, the Nazis started out as long haired wanderers very similar to the hippies. Christianity was far more brutal than the Nazis ever got to be. Humanity is forever lost in chaos and delusion. Islam is a religion of peace. Nazis are a religion of peace. Both statements are nonsense but one of them is politically correct and is an aggressively enforced point of view.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22265491 - 09/20/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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why the hell is everyone talking about race and religion and mass murder. has absolutely nothing to do with the title and you're just forcing your views down other people's throats it's stupid
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22265982 - 09/20/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: I also believe different races have different spirits. For example, I am Italian and German. This means I carry a piece of the holocaust pain within me even though I've never been to Germany or spoken a word of German or been against Jews.
The Holocaust was a very dark chapter in German history and as a result, all Germanic people carry some holocaustian pain within their heart. Because we are all connected, I also share in this pain that is part of the one heart us Germans all share in. I was shown this on mescaline one time.
I wonder how much of that had to do with your knowledge of German history rather than your inherited guilt. You carry that burden as if your direct ancestors were responsible themselves. And maybe they were, but how does that make you any more guilty just by being aware of it? I'm guessing your german ancestors had ancestors in other cultures that may have committed horrible acts, but you may not feel guilty of them because your lack of awareness.
I don't understand how that divides the common spirit of humanity. Golden rule makes it pretty simple, do unto others as you would have them do to you. No matter who your ancestors are or what they've done, we're all of the same family and spirit.
Plus German is not a race... it's a nation.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22266014 - 09/20/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: Christianity, Islam and Communism were pretty good at senseless mass murder and general inhumanity. Every human is comes from rape, bestiality, cannibalism, genocide and war. Germany's dark chapter is nothing unique, the Nazis started out as long haired wanderers very similar to the hippies. Christianity was far more brutal than the Nazis ever got to be. Humanity is forever lost in chaos and delusion. Islam is a religion of peace. Nazis are a religion of peace. Both statements are nonsense but one of them is politically correct and is an aggressively enforced point of view.
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Christianity, Islam and Communism were pretty good at senseless mass murder and general inhumanity. Every human is comes from rape, bestiality, cannibalism, genocide and war. Germany's dark chapter is nothing unique, the Nazis started out as long haired wanderers very similar to the hippies. Christianity was far more brutal than the Nazis ever got to be. Humanity is forever lost in chaos and delusion. Islam is a religion of peace. Nazis are a religion of peace. Both statements are nonsense but one of them is politically correct and is an aggressively enforced point of view.
I didn't mean to imply that Germany's chapter was unique, although actually I disagree with you about that. The Nazis committed mass murder on a larger scale than had ever been done before throughout the history of humanity. I am not saying there haven't been other actrocities, of course I am aware of the extremely violent history of this planet, but you have to admit the Holocaust still ranks pretty high up there in terms of crimes against humanity.
But to clarify, that's not the point I was making. I was simply using the holocaust as an example (because its very recognizable) to show that every race has its own shared collective pain from the past and everyone who shares in that race genetically or through enculturation takes on some of the pain of the collective.
So, I wasn't necessarily saying that the Germans have it worse than any other group. I was just using them as an example to show how the pain from a horrific event can affect an entire group, even if they are born long after the event took place and seemingly have little to no connection with it. For instance, before that cactus trip I never thought the Holocaust had anything to do with me but the cactus showed me that some of the pain had been transmitted to my own heart through my genetic heritage. Of course you are correct that in comparison to the incredibly violent history of mankind, the holocaust is merely one small event. But as I explained, I was merely using it as example, not trying to say that Germans have it worse than any other race.
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Christianity was far more brutal than the Nazis ever got to be.
I dont know what you mean by that. I know Christians have done some pretty terrible things, but how do you figure they did worse than the Holocaust? Do you have any idea what went on during the Holocaust? I don't really think it is possible to get "far more brutal" than that. Can you explain how one gets "far more brutal" than the Holocaust? Because I can't even imagine what that would look like.
also, being greatly influenced by Christianity myself, I have to point to the positives also. The nazis didn't really do a whole lot of good for the world as far as I am aware. The evil deeds done by Christians are at least offset somewhat by the massive amount of good and charitable things Christians have done. People seem to love to talk about all the bad things Christians have done as if this somehow proves Christianity is bad or something. I have never undertood this because the Bible teaches that humanity is evil. Not naturally evil but evil as a result of the fall. So it should come as no surprise that Christians commit evil. What may come as a surprise however, is all the good Christians have done. Millions upon millions of souls have been saved through Christianity. For thousands of years, Christians have cared for the poor and the sick and the downtrodden, fed the hungry, given shelter to the homeless, brought spiritual truth to the blind, preached love and compassion and forgiveness, etc.
Heck, I myself have volunteered at my church caring for the homeless and I know a lot of other Christians who have done the same. Can you explain what is so evil about that and how it is worse than the Holocaust because I am not seeing it.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Icon]
#22266049 - 09/20/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: I also believe different races have different spirits. For example, I am Italian and German. This means I carry a piece of the holocaust pain within me even though I've never been to Germany or spoken a word of German or been against Jews.
The Holocaust was a very dark chapter in German history and as a result, all Germanic people carry some holocaustian pain within their heart. Because we are all connected, I also share in this pain that is part of the one heart us Germans all share in. I was shown this on mescaline one time.
I wonder how much of that had to do with your knowledge of German history rather than your inherited guilt. You carry that burden as if your direct ancestors were responsible themselves. And maybe they were, but how does that make you any more guilty just by being aware of it? I'm guessing your german ancestors had ancestors in other cultures that may have committed horrible acts, but you may not feel guilty of them because your lack of awareness.
I don't understand how that divides the common spirit of humanity. Golden rule makes it pretty simple, do unto others as you would have them do to you. No matter who your ancestors are or what they've done, we're all of the same family and spirit.
Plus German is not a race... it's a nation.
Basically what I was shown by the cactus was this: we are all connected, so everything you do can be understood in terms of being done to the one heart of humanity. Therefore all the pain humans cause, they ultimately cause the one heart which bares all.
However, the one heart spreads the pain out not in a random fashion but in such a way as to return to people the same energies which they or their ancestors sent out. So because the Germans sent out Holocaustian energies, Holocaustian energies must return to the Germans. Thus anyone who is German or who immerses themself in German culture, will receive some of these Holocaustian energies.
Or something like that. This is simply what the Cactus showed me. I can't really say whether its true or not, but I tend to trust the cactus. If anything I am saying is wrong, it is probably my error in interpreting rather than the cactus being wrong.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22266152 - 09/20/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Take time to integrate your experiences. Cactus isn't going to give you brain damage but if you keep pushing all these psyche's you may end up in the loony bin for a while. It's not the worst thing but it's something to consider.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22266216 - 09/20/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I must be in the looney bin because i believe this.
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Peyote Road said: However, the one heart spreads the pain out not in a random fashion but in such a way as to return to people the same energies which they or their ancestors sent out. So because the Germans sent out Holocaustian energies, Holocaustian energies must return to the Germans. Thus anyone who is German or who immerses themself in German culture, will receive some of these Holocaustian energies.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22267277 - 09/20/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ever heard of the Dark Ages? The Nazis were only around for a few years, how could they possibly have caught up with Christianity, that has been murdering people for nearly 2000 years.
I guess the Nazis were simply a continuation of slaughter by Christians really.
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Catholic extermination camps Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Genibus]
#22267394 - 09/20/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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the dudes probabl a troll look at his name haha
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