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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22239496 - 09/15/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is why i've recently chosen to not smoke marijuana while tripping. It's taken me to some very uncomfortable places after doing so and can really weird out an experience.
I'm also with dark star on this one, just chill out for a while and make healthier choices. Doing more drugs to offset bad drug experiences is foolish and has never worked for me. I'm not saying don't ever trip again, but tripping for the sole purpose of balancing out another is misguided.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22239792 - 09/15/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey man I hope you're feeling better. I had an extremely rough trip when I was young during my second acid trip ~200mcg. I felt as though time had stopped entirely and that everyone was angry at me. I felt a moment of eternity when I for a second felt insane. It was the most horrid thing possible. I rode that trip out by myself 12 hours of totally catatonic mind fucking. I was so exhausted mentally, physically, and emotionally. I couldn't figure out why I had such an experience when my first acid trip was nothing short of pure ecstasy. Anyway I healed from that trip, and I also gained valuable insight from it after deep thought. Examine what you were feeling and why. It may take some time, but you will heal.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22239839 - 09/15/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: (oh btw, i was shown why white people have no rythm, rhythm is a natural thing but whites have gone so far out of alignment with nature they have lost their rhythm)
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More like fucking stupid. Maybe we whites have no rhythm because we are the most evolved species and you don't need rhythm to survive. We lost our rhythm first. Maybe in a few thousand years the blacks will catch up and lose theirs.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22240080 - 09/15/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: Just how does this chaos become ordered again? I've certainly lost my Rythm now.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: moonzo]
#22240087 - 09/15/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: (oh btw, i was shown why white people have no rythm, rhythm is a natural thing but whites have gone so far out of alignment with nature they have lost their rhythm)
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More like fucking stupid. Maybe we whites have no rhythm because we are the most evolved species and you don't need rhythm to survive. We lost our rhythm first. Maybe in a few thousand years the blacks will catch up and lose theirs.
I hope you're not serious
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: my3rdeye]
#22240929 - 09/15/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i am probably going to have to trip again just to heal myself from this trip
Well that's retarded. That's the difference between you kids and my generation. Whenever something was too much we quit. You think this shit is medicine or something? You don't fix previous bad trips with more drugs, you heal the damage by quitting. You guys don't want to hear this shit do you? You are better off quitting, psychedelic drugs are not for everyone and almost everyone quits. Sorry I don't take part in the group denial this board so often entails, you should quit.
And all the generations before you were using psychedelics as medicine. I mean its only been a short while where psychedelics have been considered drugs. I guess medicine can only be bought in a bottle from the pharmacy by your definition.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: LSDreamer]
#22241716 - 09/15/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: is it possible i did some kind of damage to my nervous system? i feel empty inside, whereas before the hash I felt full of love and peace and joy. what have i done to myself? its like theres nothing left of me, just this jagged unfillable emptiness.
be careful combining cannabis with ridiculously intense cactus trips folks. this combo can get a little out of hand, major splitting of the ego, being in different places at once,
If symptoms persist for more than a few days, make an appointment with a psychiatrist. If hallucinatory symptoms persist more than 24 hours (assuming you sleep), then immediately make an appointment with a psychiatrist.
Sounds like a anti-psychotic prescription, that is idiotic. Psychiatrists are freaken dangerous, avoid. Taking more drugs is the correct way forward. I am up for some speedy lower dose sessions now. No need to unravel again any time soon.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22241737 - 09/15/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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"natural born village idiot" well, your title is appropriate considering you are spewing nonsense.
psychiatrists/psychologists are not dangerous. in many instances, they are very necessary in the betterment of an individual's mental health. doing more drugs here is highly misguided.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: 404]
#22241754 - 09/15/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, they are very dangeous. I saw a psychiatrist one time. He put me on benzos, which completely destroyed my life. I have spent the last 6 years recovering from benzo withdrawal.
Of course, if you find a good psychologist it can be very helpful in some cases, but be very careful. Mostly they're simply drug pushers and their drugs are a lot worse than ours.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22241783 - 09/15/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel you brother. Try practicing some unconditional positive regard during your assimilation back into normal brain wave patterns that you'll feel comfortable with.
Here is a cosmic video about rhythm. Everyone should see it. You are right about rhythm and the western world. I know a lot of musicians who play their instruments "well" but don't have a sense of real rhythm for shit... and it upsets me. Even non-musicians who are sure they have no rhythm within themselves bothers me. Things like that can make unconditional positive regard difficult but not unworkable.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#22241818 - 09/15/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: you dont know what you're talking about man. I just fixed it with some DMT.
I have fixed bad trips with other trips many times. I know the advice to quit sounds good but its actually not good advice for a number of reasons.
Anyway, today I was reading LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof. He says, if you have a bad trip, you should schedule another trip as soon as possible.
He says this is because bad trips are not caused by some unpredictable effect of LSD but because of unresolved material in the subjects unconscious. Therefore, the best thing to do is go back and attempt to resolve that material.
So thats what I did, I smoked some DMT, went straight back to that place of ego dissolution, accepted it, surrendered to it and then was reborn into a world of incredible beauty.
You dont give up on psychedelics becase of one bad trip. How silly.
Just curious, op...Why did you create a thread seeking advice from other like-minded people when you already knew what you were going to do?
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22241887 - 09/15/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doesnt sound like a bad trip at all. Just sound like the inner truth hit you like a ton of bricks and you didn't like it.
Meditate on what you saw, heard, learned, felt. It came from the cosmos within, not without. ACCEPT & LEARN
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22242361 - 09/15/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: you dont know what you're talking about man. I just fixed it with some DMT.
I have fixed bad trips with other trips many times. I know the advice to quit sounds good but its actually not good advice for a number of reasons.
Anyway, today I was reading LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof. He says, if you have a bad trip, you should schedule another trip as soon as possible.
He says this is because bad trips are not caused by some unpredictable effect of LSD but because of unresolved material in the subjects unconscious. Therefore, the best thing to do is go back and attempt to resolve that material.
So thats what I did, I smoked some DMT, went straight back to that place of ego dissolution, accepted it, surrendered to it and then was reborn into a world of incredible beauty.
You dont give up on psychedelics becase of one bad trip. How silly.
Just curious, op...Why did you create a thread seeking advice from other like-minded people when you already knew what you were going to do?
I didn't know what I was going to do. I have learned not to make important decisions while on high doses of psychedelics plus weed. I made the thread while I was coming down and in a very unstable frame of mind. Then the following day I read some of LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof and he re-assured me that tripping again was the right thing to do.
also if you read my post, (which was obviously made while tripping) I wasn't asking for advice on when, if or in how long I should trip again. I was asking for advice on how to deal psychologically with what I was going through. Telling me not to do drugs is really of no help in that regard. Sure it might have future benefits, but I was looking for advice on how I could feel better at the time. In this case, I think you should give a person, love and support, not tell them what to do. Its very helpful to share personal experiences like that one guy who told me he felt the same after a high dose LSD but came out of it fine. That was very reassuring, and EXACTLY what I needed to hear at the time, which is why I made the thread.
Thats why I dislike the standard, stop taking drugs line. It doesn't help the person at all in the moment and if youre someone like me who has been doing drugs for a very long time and smoking weed every day for years, saying i have to quit or else just adds more stress to an already stressful situation.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22242473 - 09/15/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the blame you're putting on the marijuana could be equally shared with your irresponsible dosage of the cacti. IMO the only safe, reliable dosage is to extract the mescaline from the cactus, so you know how much you're working with.
That being said, I've taken 500mg mescaline before and had a very euphoric, beautiful experience. On the come-down I vaped some cannabis but on the first inhale my body and mind seemed to reject it. It felt way different than normal vaping, I too got the feeling that I abuse cannabis and shouldn't have taken any then. As if the mescaline was insulted that I wasn't completely satisfied with just its effects.
After I finished the vapors and settled into the high those feelings went away though. Ended up being one of my favorite combos. Was watching a movie at that point and the actors were switching between all the characters I've ever seen them play. Was like my memories were ultra-real and imposed over my vision. Made it difficult to tell what was actually happening in this movie, but was a very entertaining and interesting mindset.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Icon]
#22242786 - 09/15/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would never extract the mescaline because I believe there are other good alkaloids in the cactus which would be lost were I to do such a thing. I'd probably lose a fair amount of mescaline in the process as well.
IMO cactus is quite safe. I mean I severely overdosed and came out of it physically fine and mentally fine also, until I smoked the hash. But cactus isn't hard to dose if you simply test each batch for strength instead of just assuming that the new cactus is the same as the last like I did. I got received several orders from ebay that were all about the same, and I just assumed that they would all be like that and I would never be lucky enough to get some significantly better. But I was wrong!
I actually believe that nature does this on purpose, because sometimes we need to trip harder than we are willing (or sometimes less hard than we are willing) and if we always knew the strength, this would never happen. Some of the greatest trips of my life have happened as a result of dosage miscalculations. Luckily psychedelics are safe enough that you don't die when you get an especially potent batch.
anyway, i felt exactly like you, that I abuse cannabis and disrespected the cactus by not being satisfied with it alone. I mean at the dosage I took, in a certain sense it is quite ridiculous to not be satisfied with the experience I got and need to add cannabis to it also. I believe its a form of spiritual greed, where I just keep wanting to have more and more incredible spiritual experiences and this is something I need to work on.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22243363 - 09/15/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had a similar bad mescaline experience... It just takes time I think. I hate I had such a horrid trip off it, because it completely turned me off to the stuff and thats been over 10 years ago. I might try it again now, but for the longest time I was repulsed by the stuff... Powerful substances, respect them, never hurts to dose on the low end at first...
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: GeoDMT]
#22243413 - 09/15/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nuentoter said: Doesnt sound like a bad trip at all. Just sound like the inner truth hit you like a ton of bricks and you didn't like it.
Meditate on what you saw, heard, learned, felt. It came from the cosmos within, not without. ACCEPT & LEARN
Thanks, you are right. I saw a lot of uncomfortable truths about myself on that trip. I am now learning how to be a better person.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Peyote Road]
#22244003 - 09/15/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Time passes differently. All my trips are uncomfortable. Losing all concepts is absurd, an abomination. Boredom still follows me. Why do I do this to myself? I don't learn anything. Everything is always returns to how it was. I'll be doing it again. Got nothing better to do. It is not possible to become a better person.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#22244686 - 09/16/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: Time passes differently. All my trips are uncomfortable. Losing all concepts is absurd, an abomination. Boredom still follows me. Why do I do this to myself? I don't learn anything. Everything is always returns to how it was. I'll be doing it again. Got nothing better to do. It is not possible to become a better person.
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Re: guys i need help putting myself back together after mescaline overdose [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22247509 - 09/16/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: (oh btw, i was shown why white people have no rythm, rhythm is a natural thing but whites have gone so far out of alignment with nature they have lost their rhythm)
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More like fucking stupid. Maybe we whites have no rhythm because we are the most evolved species and you don't need rhythm to survive. We lost our rhythm first. Maybe in a few thousand years the blacks will catch up and lose theirs.
I love how you called somebody else stupid and then followed it up with a significantly more idiotic statement lol
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