Home | Community | Message Board

Original Seeds Store
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   North Spore Boomr Bag, Bulk Substrate

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
InvisibleGreenFingers
Exotic collector
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/01/14
Posts: 292
help with organic fertilizers for trich soil
    #22227475 - 09/12/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey everyone I was hoping for a bit of advice from some of our members who have good experience with organic fertilizers.

So first off I now use a substrate of just perlite and coco coir and use a weak fertilizer diluted in each watering and have been having great results for some time. A few years ago I use to use potting soil, coco, sand, perlite and would supplement with some good organic fertilizers such as bone, blood and fish meal. Results were pretty good but I think I over did adding my organic fertilizers when mixing my soil. At one point a lot of plants with the new mix started to go sour and could burn your eyes with the smell of ammonia. It was pretty gnarly and kinda put me off of organic fertilizers for awhile because that was a issue I never had to deal with my inorganic fertilizers.

Lately though I've been getting bit by the "organic bug" and been wanting to try adding a few more things to my soil. So to avoid any issues like I've had in the past I was hoping some more advanced members could set me straight on some good mixes/ratios of things to use. I'd like to use bone meal, fish meal/emulsion, blood meal, kelp, mycorrhizae (I already use), worm castings/humic acid and I'd like to try some neem cake as a mulch and possibly a soil additive if it's beneficial enough. I'd be interested in formulas for both fertilizer to add to the soil as well as a liquid fertilizer that could be used with waterings. If anyone has anything else to add I'd be happy to hear your recommendation!

Once again shroomerites thanks for all your help! Have a great weekend :sunny:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleverbage
White Squall
 User Gallery

Registered: 11/02/13
Posts: 201
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: GreenFingers]
    #22227502 - 09/12/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I use everything on your list except for the bone and blood meal.  I also use some things not on your list like kelp, alfalfa tea and some potash stuff. 

Are your plants in the ground or in pots?  That's probably a good place to start.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGreenFingers
Exotic collector
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/01/14
Posts: 292
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: verbage]
    #22227695 - 09/12/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm I've seen a few things about adding alfalfa meal, do you think there is a significant difference adding it to your soil?

Unfortunately most of my plants are potted. I don't have the space at my place  to get them in the ground


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAngus McAxeHandle
Timelord
Male
Registered: 08/25/15
Posts: 378
Loc: Can'-Ka No-Rey
Last seen: 7 months, 9 days
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: GreenFingers]
    #22227754 - 09/12/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:threadmonitor:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOggy
Stranger Danger
 User Gallery

Registered: 12/05/14
Posts: 1,276
Loc: Planet Remulak
Last seen: 6 months, 29 days
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: Angus McAxeHandle]
    #22229056 - 09/12/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Organic fertilizers feed the soil and the plant.
Synthetic fertilizers don't. They may very well kill some of the beneficial organisms in the soil, too.

Unfortunately, organic fertilizers are quite expensive compared to something like miracle grow. Fish emulsion like the Alaska brand are very cheap.


--------------------


Edited by Oggy (09/12/15 09:13 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGreenFingers
Exotic collector
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/01/14
Posts: 292
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: Oggy]
    #22229398 - 09/12/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone care to list there own substrate mix? My main concern is I don't want to over do it on anything and turn my soil funky again.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEl Torcho
Time for tea?
I'm a teapot

Registered: 04/16/15
Posts: 1,365
Loc: Lone Pine Hill
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: GreenFingers]
    #22229438 - 09/12/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your 'soil' substantially lacks anything living.


--------------------
"Well it sounds trivial, but the key insight is . . . . . you don't know shit"
~Dennis McKenna

"There is more to human existence and to reality itself than science can ever give us access to."
~His Holiness, The 14th Dalai Lama


Edited by El Torcho (06/30/16 05:00 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOggy
Stranger Danger
 User Gallery

Registered: 12/05/14
Posts: 1,276
Loc: Planet Remulak
Last seen: 6 months, 29 days
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: GreenFingers]
    #22229439 - 09/12/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I use fish emulsion these days. But back when I was breeding strawberries for size I was just peeing on everything. Literally. Tiny pinky sized strawberries(normal for alpine strawberries) grew to be way larger than my thumb. And I'm a fairly chunky guy.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGreenFingers
Exotic collector
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/01/14
Posts: 292
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: Oggy]
    #22230545 - 09/13/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the help guys

Torcho: thanks for the insight into your mix. I think I'll have to give alfalfa a try and watch out for the blood meal. I remember when my soil was stinking my father mentioned it was because it was too "hot". Would alfalfa meal be sufficient or should it be made into a tea like I've read a couple member doing?

Neem meal interests me a lot for the assumption it'll repel pests pretty well but I'm excited to see what it can do for my soil also. I figured my soil was fairly dead when it comes to microbial life which is one thing I was considering before adding mycorrhizae. I wasn't sure it'll be able to live in a drier cacti soil let alone my mix.

So a cup to a cubic foot will be my rule of thumb thanks! :cheers: also is there a safe amount of time to let your mix "age"?  Thanks again guys, I know I could probably search around and find some of these things out so I appreciate you taking the time to set me straight :sunny: All the best!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemandrin13
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/08/14
Posts: 1,111
Loc: Socal
Last seen: 2 months, 6 days
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: GreenFingers]
    #22231086 - 09/13/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes you should let your soil "cook" for 2-4 weeks, according to my understanding.


--------------------
Even Jesus got stoned.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEl Torcho
Time for tea?
I'm a teapot

Registered: 04/16/15
Posts: 1,365
Loc: Lone Pine Hill
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: GreenFingers]
    #22236937 - 09/14/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

GreenFingers said:
I figured my soil was fairly dead when it comes to microbial life which is one thing I was considering before adding mycorrhizae.





There is much more to soil life than mycorrhizae.

If you don't want to do compost, or have heard/believe a sterilized soil is somehow better, it is probably best to stick to a 'dead soil' and synthetic nutes.


--------------------
"Well it sounds trivial, but the key insight is . . . . . you don't know shit"
~Dennis McKenna

"There is more to human existence and to reality itself than science can ever give us access to."
~His Holiness, The 14th Dalai Lama


Edited by El Torcho (09/14/15 02:46 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGreenFingers
Exotic collector
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/01/14
Posts: 292
Re: help with organic fertilizers for trich soil [Re: El Torcho]
    #22237494 - 09/14/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I don't care about soil sterility much other than for my cacti seedlings. I like organic nutes as iv seen nice results before. I'm not really in a place to do my own composting right now so I think my best bet is just having good amendments added.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   North Spore Boomr Bag, Bulk Substrate


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Age Old Organics Fertilizer. TheHateCamel 2,409 4 02/08/05 07:41 AM
by Aneglakya
* Best soil for cannabis and why?
( 1 2 all )
protected_son 3,752 20 01/29/06 01:00 PM
by Anonymous
* What fertilizer? SubGen1us 541 2 02/08/06 11:46 AM
by Psilopleix
* Natural plant and soil pest and disease control felixhigh 1,985 7 02/06/03 02:19 AM
by Bilge
* How does bleach affect the soil? nugsarenice 15,855 5 06/12/02 01:29 AM
by Asante
* Heavy Metals & Soils mycophyle 749 4 03/26/05 07:49 AM
by Organic
* organic vs. hydro
( 1 2 all )
Lazerouth 4,367 35 10/14/03 07:30 PM
by DiMiTriSouljah
* Few Botany Question - soil recipes HerbanShaman 997 4 11/04/05 03:35 PM
by pH_

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Mostly_Harmless, A.k.a
700 topic views. 2 members, 11 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.