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WHy I don't trust Bernie.
    #22226889 - 09/12/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He's a career politician.  Game over. :rockon:


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22226923 - 09/12/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes . The smart thing to do is elect people who with no experiance who understand nothing of forieng policy and go here ya go here are some nukes . Good luck .


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22226967 - 09/12/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your excuse is invalid - thanks for putting the "I" in team though.  The game hasn't begun but you've already lost the marbles. Want to play Yahtzee?

From my understanding,  Sanders is a down to earth  hippy.
He has public respect and  answers the publics questions on Reddit.  , I don't see Bush , Hillary or Trump doing anything positive for the people , unless they're wolfs of wallstreet. But if your brown , your going down.
- The voting public are who is  funding B.Sanders , not corporations.
imo , any corporation who funds berner's campaign is doing it at they're own risk because they know  Sanders doesn't want to refund them.
Sanders beleives that corporations have to much political influence which is true , that's the reason why he Probually  won't win this years election.



Starfire , do you oppose the NWO ? And are you voting republican this year ?


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: starfire_xes] * 2
    #22226985 - 09/12/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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He's a career politician.  Game over. :rockon:




A career politician who's never joined either party officially and who has held the same positions his entire career, even when they've been unpopular. He's a career politician, who's been a politician, for all the right reasons.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22227014 - 09/12/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Go ahead and vote for more of the same old shit...


as far as someone with 'no experience'  aren't you people some of the fools who voted for Obama??  GAME OVER.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22227062 - 09/12/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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r as someone with 'no experience'  aren't you people some of the fools who voted for Obama??  GAME OVER.




     
    If Obama sucked due to lack of experience then why should we vote for someone with no experiance ?


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: psilynut]
    #22227074 - 09/12/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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r as someone with 'no experience'  aren't you people some of the fools who voted for Obama??  GAME OVER.




     
    If Obama sucked due to lack of experience then why should we vote for someone with no experiance ?




I think Trump has lots of experience.  He's actually made money at something.  But I get it.  He's not a socialist, at least on the surface.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22227112 - 09/12/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would make money at something too if my parents gave me 200 mill .
    Trump is a limp dick crybaby. He is still crying about Megan Kelley and her unfair questions , that I thought were fair.  Waaaa Fox News is mean to me waaaa .
    I don't like trump because of the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.
I think he would make a great press secratery though.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: psilynut]
    #22227137 - 09/12/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You do realize Bernie is too old and stupid to hold his ground in a debate against a Donald Trump type dont you.  But you can suck on the old socialist ;The solution is destroy companies, grow government, and give free stuff' TEAT like millions of other clueless.

Yes....I am now telling you exactly what I think of socialism.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22227183 - 09/12/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ha. Donald Trump has released an official policy on ONE topic: immigration. As of right now, his campaign is nothing but clips that the media eats up. Let's wait until he actually forms a coherent opinion about how America should be run before declaring him the winner in any debates. Bernie Sanders would destroy Trump in a debate because it's easy to do that when you've been supporting and learning about the same positions for decades.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22227242 - 09/12/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its heartwarming to see the moonbats in such a tizzy. They realize trump is getting more and more inevitable all the time while hitlery slowly sinks. Bernie is a madcap commie wannabe and will only get the loony left vote and yellow dog dem vote. Trump with all his bombast is much closer to the wishes of the public than Bernie or any of the tired old crooked as hell candidates running. Sanders just had a birthday, he is 74, funny how there was no celebration or big announcement. They like to keep his age on the down low.

We already had one senile president we don't need another one. Biden too is too old, hitlery is too sleazy and crooked but its her wooden, condescending manner and habit of lying that is sinking her, not the crookedness. That and the emails mean bye bye billary.

How can sanders run as a dem if he never joined the dem party?

Get used to saying president trump. I will be sure to gloat constantly when he wins.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22227324 - 09/12/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Still waiting to see trumps proof that Obama isn't a  citizen .  Or just admit that he's a fucking liar .
You like trump because is a fucking conspiracy theorist . You don't need truth , facts or the slightest bit of rationality to get on board and pledge blind belief in whatever the fuck he says.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22227346 - 09/12/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Once again, Trump hasn't even said what he's going to do as president yet. He goes around making bombastic statements to get media attention. At this point he's a celebrity, not a candidate. That's why he's popular.

I like to choose my candidates based on ideas, and so far, Trump has very, very few. He should stick to business, but he wasn't very good at that either.

Trump won't win. He won't even win the nomination, and that's saying something, because the GOP field is pathetic.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22227791 - 09/12/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The grad school Marxist in me can't help but have a hearty chuckle whenever a social-democrat calls themselves a "socialist" and everyone thinks it's "edgy" and "subversive".  :facepalm3:


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: psilynut]
    #22227827 - 09/12/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Still waiting to see trumps proof that Obama isn't a  citizen .




Lol, and I'm still waiting for Obama to release his college transcripts and explain why he went as Barry Sotero and claimed he was Kenyan... He was either lying then or he's lying now, either way he wasn't qualified to be president. But the dems have shown time and time they don't give a shit about someone's background, unless it's a republican *cough* Ted Kennedy *cough*


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22227969 - 09/12/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Still waiting to see trumps proof that Obama isn't a  citizen .




Lol, and I'm still waiting for Obama to release his college transcripts and explain why he went as Barry Sotero and claimed he was Kenyan... He was either lying then or he's lying now, either way he wasn't qualified to be president. But the dems have shown time and time they don't give a shit about someone's background, unless it's a republican *cough* Ted Kennedy *cough*




Oh how the moonbats squirm when inconvenient facts are given to them. Anyone can forge a piece of paper but there are witnesses to the things you said and more. He was a drug dealer and gay prostitute, not that there is anything wrong with that, but he lied about all of it and we can't believe a word he said.

He may not be the first gay in the presidency, probably is the first hustler, and michelle is definitely the first transvestite "first lady" Later they will brag about it and imply that everyone knew.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22228375 - 09/12/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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He's a career politician.  Game over. :rockon:




You could've said socialist, at least that would have merit.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22228401 - 09/12/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Still waiting to see trumps proof that Obama isn't a  citizen .




Lol, and I'm still waiting for Obama to release his college transcripts and explain why he went as Barry Sotero and claimed he was Kenyan... He was either lying then or he's lying now, either way he wasn't qualified to be president.




Or it was an April Fool's joke.

Seriously, check the date.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/soetoro-was-a-foreign-student/


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22228543 - 09/12/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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He's a career politician.  Game over. :rockon:




A career politician who's never joined either party officially and who has held the same positions his entire career, even when they've been unpopular. He's a career politician, who's been a politician, for all the right reasons.




I agree with that assessment for the most part, but at the end of the day, rhetoric is nothing more than entertainment, Obama is the perfect example.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: qman] * 1
    #22228578 - 09/12/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
He's a career politician.  Game over. :rockon:




A career politician who's never joined either party officially and who has held the same positions his entire career, even when they've been unpopular. He's a career politician, who's been a politician, for all the right reasons.




I agree with that assessment for the most part, but at the end of the day, rhetoric is nothing more than entertainment, Obama is the perfect example.




Very true. And I view all politicians as just entertainment. They focus group and say exactly what people want to hear. Bernie looks different. He walks the walk it seems, like refusing all SuperPAC money.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22228669 - 09/12/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If we can't get trump we will do better with Bernie than the others.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22229174 - 09/12/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bernie isn't 'Just' a career politician. He's the longest serving Independent in US history, and he's been standing up against the status quo for decades.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22230321 - 09/13/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bernie isn't 'Just' a career politician. He's the longest serving Independent in US history, and he's been standing up against the status quo for decades.




But he's running as Dem, therefore Obama. :rolleyes:


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22244060 - 09/16/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bernie isn't 'Just' a career politician. He's the longest serving Independent in US history, and he's been standing up against the status quo for decades.





"Independent"  ....as if....  :lolsy:


i have no idea who is going to win...Carson is pulling close to even with trump......Jeb is suddenly 'reagan'  (excuse e while i vomit) Hillary is a total liar and outright buffoon.....biden is being encouraged NOT to run.

I really expect that the DNC, under the direction of David Assholerod, is going to roll out an unknown at the last minute and people will suddenly roll their eyes, and see a 'savior' and like sheep float another turd into the white house.

what we really need is someone who, on the first day in office, dismantles all of Obumbles executive orders and starts returning the rule of law to our government.  And that ain't gonna be a bernie, and probably not a Donald.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22244333 - 09/16/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He is the longest serving independent in congressional history... Do you disagree with that fact?


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22244468 - 09/16/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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He is the longest serving independent in congressional history... Do you disagree with that fact?




I disagree with the fact that he is an independent.  can you show me a history of voting where he didn't vote in lockstep with democrats?  AND where he did'nt vote the status quo when d's and r's 'reached across the aisle' and forced shit policy down our throats?  that will impress me.


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    #22244484 - 09/16/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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He is the longest serving independent in congressional history... Do you disagree with that fact?




I disagree with the fact that he is an independent.  can you show me a history of voting where he didn't vote in lockstep with democrats?  AND where he did'nt vote the status quo when d's and r's 'reached across the aisle' and forced shit policy down our throats?  that will impress me.




If I have two co-workers who are both dicks, but I have more in common with one of them, I'm pro ably gonna hang out with him more than the super dick.

Besides, Bernie is an excellent legislator and wouldn't be so if he refused to talk to anyone who doesn't agree with him 100%, and vice versa.


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    #22244490 - 09/16/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Always a game of whack a mole with you.

He's a career politician. Ok actually he does need experience, but he's still a socialist. Ok well not really but he's secretly a blue blood Democrat! Ok not really but he's gonna ram policy down our throats!




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    #22244492 - 09/16/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So, let me get this straight; Trump is running against Bernie, and Bernie is winning?

Bernie's the guy in the middle, yes?




American politics can be so strange.


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    #22245239 - 09/16/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So, let me get this straight; Trump is running against Bernie, and Bernie is winning?

Bernie's the guy in the middle, yes?




American politics can be so strange.




About the stupidest comment I've seen on this forum.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22245280 - 09/16/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your comment could be interpreted a couple ways.

Either you don't read most of the comments here or your sense of humor took the day off.


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    #22245362 - 09/16/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So, let me get this straight; Trump is running against Bernie, and Bernie is winning?

Bernie's the guy in the middle, yes?




American politics can be so strange.




About the stupidest comment I've seen on this forum.




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    #22246000 - 09/16/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You children are so fucking wound up. Go cry to your mommy.

Pathetic, that your little lives completely revolve around something you have absolutely no control over.

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    #22246041 - 09/16/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You children are so fucking wound up. Go cry to your mommy.

Pathetic, that your little lives completely revolve around something you have absolutely no control over.

Losers.




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    #22246880 - 09/16/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I really expect that the DNC, under the direction of David Assholerod, is going to roll out an unknown at the last minute and people will suddenly roll their eyes, and see a 'savior' and like sheep float another turd into the white house.






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    #22246966 - 09/16/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You children are so fucking wound up. Go cry to your mommy.

Pathetic, that your little lives completely revolve around something you have absolutely no control over.

Losers.




Dont kill yourself over a bad joke, dude.

Theres always tomorrow, you could be in line at Starbucks and the guy in front of you could say "I need a large this morning," and you could fire back "thats what she said." And everyone will laugh and laugh, and youll feel important again. :thumbup:


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    #22250423 - 09/17/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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He is the longest serving independent in congressional history... Do you disagree with that fact?




I disagree with the fact that he is an independent.  can you show me a history of voting where he didn't vote in lockstep with democrats?  AND where he did'nt vote the status quo when d's and r's 'reached across the aisle' and forced shit policy down our throats?  that will impress me.




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GE, which claims Congress’s failure to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank (Ex-Im) is the reason for its threat, received $35.8 billion in taxpayer-funded contracts between 2000 and 2012. To get an idea of how much that is, that figure is 7 times more money than GE made in profits in 2010. The fact that GE wants the Ex-Im bank reauthorized is an open admittance of the company’s dependence on taxpayer handouts — the bank is the poster child of corporate welfare. Before Republicans blocked its reauthorization, the bank had an estimated $112 billion portfolio. Its 2013 annual report revealed that 81 percent of its portfolio subsidized multinational corporations — two-thirds of which went to just ten companies that made hundreds of millions, and even billions in profit.

The major media has so far failed to counteract GE’s claims about the Ex-Im bank being the reason for shipping jobs overseas. Hillary Clinton and other Democrats have inexplicably gone to bat for the Ex-Im bank. In fact, the only non-Republican to vote against the bank’s re-authorization was Bernie Sanders.




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He is the longest serving independent in congressional history... Do you disagree with that fact?




I disagree with the fact that he is an independent.  can you show me a history of voting where he didn't vote in lockstep with democrats?  AND where he did'nt vote the status quo when d's and r's 'reached across the aisle' and forced shit policy down our throats?  that will impress me.




http://usuncut.com/class-war/general-electric-ships-jobs-overseas-corporate-welfare/

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GE, which claims Congress’s failure to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank (Ex-Im) is the reason for its threat, received $35.8 billion in taxpayer-funded contracts between 2000 and 2012. To get an idea of how much that is, that figure is 7 times more money than GE made in profits in 2010. The fact that GE wants the Ex-Im bank reauthorized is an open admittance of the company’s dependence on taxpayer handouts — the bank is the poster child of corporate welfare. Before Republicans blocked its reauthorization, the bank had an estimated $112 billion portfolio. Its 2013 annual report revealed that 81 percent of its portfolio subsidized multinational corporations — two-thirds of which went to just ten companies that made hundreds of millions, and even billions in profit.

The major media has so far failed to counteract GE’s claims about the Ex-Im bank being the reason for shipping jobs overseas. Hillary Clinton and other Democrats have inexplicably gone to bat for the Ex-Im bank. In fact, the only non-Republican to vote against the bank’s re-authorization was Bernie Sanders.




Impressed?




Look at that, Bernie voting against corporate welfare. I'm shocked that Republicans voted against that, actually. Maybe I am misunderstanding something but the Ex-Im Bank seems like something they would support. They do love their corporate welfare programs. I have to give conservatives kudos on this one. If the government is going to subsidize to the point of virtually doubling a comoanies profits, then that company should be publicly owned.

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    #22251446 - 09/17/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like it's the free market/libertarian leaning GOP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/business/economy/export-import-bank-general-electric-boeing.html?_r=0

Here's a quote from Bernie on it.  Sorry I'm on my tablet so just linking articles.

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Looks like it's the free market/libertarian leaning GOP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/business/economy/export-import-bank-general-electric-boeing.html?_r=0

Here's a quote from Bernie on it.  Sorry I'm on my tablet so just linking articles.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-against-ex-im-bank




This is why I occasionally agree with the Libertarians. They are guided by an ideology that doesn't always have corporate interest at its core. This helps Republicans make good moves, occasionally.

I just want to point out that Elizabeth Warren strongly supports Ex-Im. People were disappointed when she didn't jump in instead of Bernie, but I actually really prefer him. Warren is very pro-Israel also. I do think she would have had this election in the bag though, honestly.


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    #22256210 - 09/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is the type of shit that put Bernie on the map for me. Its also the reason that he wont get the Democratic nomination.

(start at 4:55 for the good shit)


Unfortunately Sanders' bill (S 604) was a watered down version of Dr. Ron Paul's audit the fed bill (hr 1207) and provided for very little transparency. Paul was calling for a full GAO audit, encompassing not only domestic actions but all the foreign bank and foreign government transactions, open market committee actions, asset and reserve audits, etc. Sanders' bill simply called for a one time audit dealing only with the bailout. Banks and holding companies involved can be investigated, "only if the appropriate agency has consented in writing". Basically Sanders' bill had no teeth whatsoever and amounted to nothing substantial being solved. He just had a hard on trying to figure out who got all the bailout money because Bernanke wouldn't tell him.

Sanders got close, but he's not all the way there in my opinion. That being said, he is the only candidate that is even knocking on that door, so I'd choose him over the rest of these clowns.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: amp244]
    #22256276 - 09/18/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That is the thing, he has good intentions but is too wimpy to shake things up. We need a trump to do it.


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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22256286 - 09/18/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's the thing, Trump has too few ideas to actually shake things up. We need someone with actual ideas and the track record to back them up, like Bernie Sanders.


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    #22256443 - 09/18/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bernie's ideas seem to consist of following the dems in lockstep. We need someone with a proven track record of getting things done and not letting obstacles stand in the way.


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    #22256455 - 09/18/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I sort of agree with both of you, to an extent. Sanders does shake things up and raise the right points, but he doesn't offer too much in terms of nuts and bolts logistics. At least he hasn't thus far. In his budget committee hearings he usually just screams at Greenspan/Bernanke/Yellen about bankster fraud, income inequality and the eroding middle class (very important issues), yet doesn't really offer much as a solution. His questions are generally things like, "Do you give one whit about the middle class in America?" which the fed chiefs generally respond to satisfactorily.


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    #22256536 - 09/18/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, if you go to hs website, it'll tell you what he plans to do about these problems. All of his major issues he's running on he has solutions for.


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    #22256560 - 09/18/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Will go check those out. I haven't got passed the budget hearings yet so I suppose I hadn't done my due diligence  prior to arriving at those conclusions.  I'm interested to see what Bernie has on the table.


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    #22256677 - 09/18/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Will go check those out. I haven't got passed the budget hearings yet so I suppose I hadn't done my due diligence  prior to arriving at those conclusions.  I'm interested to see what Bernie has on the table.




The website gives a rough outline of his overall agenda (though I haven't looked at it in a bit). This is why we need to have debates, honestly. I would like more details myself, but apparently the DNC doesn't find actual debate to be terribly important.


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Will go check those out. I haven't got passed the budget hearings yet so I suppose I hadn't done my due diligence  prior to arriving at those conclusions.  I'm interested to see what Bernie has on the table.




The website gives a rough outline of his overall agenda (though I haven't looked at it in a bit). This is why we need to have debates, honestly. I would like more details myself, but apparently the DNC doesn't find actual debate to be terribly important.




They did in 2008 when there were 26 debates.

Not even 1/4 of that this year.


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Will go check those out. I haven't got passed the budget hearings yet so I suppose I hadn't done my due diligence  prior to arriving at those conclusions.  I'm interested to see what Bernie has on the table.




The website gives a rough outline of his overall agenda (though I haven't looked at it in a bit). This is why we need to have debates, honestly. I would like more details myself, but apparently the DNC doesn't find actual debate to be terribly important.




They did in 2008 when there were 26 debates.

Not even 1/4 of that this year.




Apparently it's only the head of the DNC who wanted to handle things this way. Her next level staff are all against it, from what I've heard. Given that she's an ex-Hillary campaign person, there seems to be a clear conflict of interest here, and I hope she gets removed from that position.


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    #22258529 - 09/18/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Apparently it's only the head of the DNC who wanted to handle things this way. Her next level staff are all against it, from what I've heard. Given that she's an ex-Hillary campaign person, there seems to be a clear conflict of interest here, and I hope she gets removed from that position.




It's not only the head of the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Only two of her six vice-chairs have publicly opposed the debate schedule (though to be fair, one of the vice-chairs was just appointed recently). A former head of the DNC spoke in favor of the debate schedule. So there is definitely some support for it in the higher circles.

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    #22259027 - 09/19/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hillary's numbers have always gone up when she is in hiding, and Debbie is her cohort trying to keep her out of the spotlight. Hillary is useless on her own, and without having every aspect of her appearance orchestrated in her favor she's doomed. She's a goner in any debate considering all the ammo other have on her with all the baggage she has. The lack of democrat debates is 100% damage control for Hillary.


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    #22259180 - 09/19/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hillary's numbers have always gone up when she is in hiding, and Debbie is her cohort trying to keep her out of the spotlight. Hillary is useless on her own, and without having every aspect of her appearance orchestrated in her favor she's doomed. She's a goner in any debate considering all the ammo other have on her with all the baggage she has. The lack of democrat debates is 100% damage control for Hillary.




I agree 100%. I just hope O'Malley brings out the big guns and calls her out for being a two faced cunt, because Bernie won't. I think Hillary is even more 'orchestrated' or 'focus grouped' w/e you want to say, than Romney, which is saying a LOT. People these days are more interested in unscripted honesty. With all the fake plastic cultural bullshit, a lot of people have learned to spot disingenuousness and they don't like it.

Hillary is tanking as it is anyway, and she's been hiding for some time now. I would actually be surprised if she is the nominee. I think it will be Bernie or maybe Biden, but not Hillary.


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He is the longest serving independent in congressional history... Do you disagree with that fact?




I disagree with the fact that he is an independent.  can you show me a history of voting where he didn't vote in lockstep with democrats?  AND where he did'nt vote the status quo when d's and r's 'reached across the aisle' and forced shit policy down our throats?  that will impress me.




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The major media has so far failed to counteract GE’s claims about the Ex-Im bank being the reason for shipping jobs overseas. Hillary Clinton and other Democrats have inexplicably gone to bat for the Ex-Im bank. In fact, the only non-Republican to vote against the bank’s re-authorization was Bernie Sanders.




Impressed?




Notyet.  I already made the stateent about the ex-im bank and further ore, I knew that about the only two people running who are against it where Bernie and Ted Cruz.

But I was shot down by Fail-Con because he said the ex-im beause he said, to araphrase' its a governent program that creates jobs.'


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    #22259221 - 09/19/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well, lookie lookie here! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21768446#21768446 ; Look what I found.....


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Well, lookie lookie here! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21768446#21768446 ; Look what I found.....


HEY FAIL  I tOLD YOU SO.



What did you tell me?

In the last post of the thread you linked to, I asked:
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I'll ask again - how much has the EM-EX bank cost the taxpayer over the last 20 years?



That question is still unanswered.

I said in that post that I don't know enough about the Ex-Im bank to have an opinion on it.

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    #22260010 - 09/19/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He is basically a dem. He had to have registered dem to be in the primaries, I'm sure of that. A less dirty dem than the average but they have to go along to get along. None of them are really clean but an outsider is our best chance.


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