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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22256210 - 09/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the type of shit that put Bernie on the map for me. Its also the reason that he wont get the Democratic nomination.
(start at 4:55 for the good shit)
Unfortunately Sanders' bill (S 604) was a watered down version of Dr. Ron Paul's audit the fed bill (hr 1207) and provided for very little transparency. Paul was calling for a full GAO audit, encompassing not only domestic actions but all the foreign bank and foreign government transactions, open market committee actions, asset and reserve audits, etc. Sanders' bill simply called for a one time audit dealing only with the bailout. Banks and holding companies involved can be investigated, "only if the appropriate agency has consented in writing". Basically Sanders' bill had no teeth whatsoever and amounted to nothing substantial being solved. He just had a hard on trying to figure out who got all the bailout money because Bernanke wouldn't tell him.
Sanders got close, but he's not all the way there in my opinion. That being said, he is the only candidate that is even knocking on that door, so I'd choose him over the rest of these clowns.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: amp244]
#22256276 - 09/18/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is the thing, he has good intentions but is too wimpy to shake things up. We need a trump to do it.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Stonehenge]
#22256286 - 09/18/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's the thing, Trump has too few ideas to actually shake things up. We need someone with actual ideas and the track record to back them up, like Bernie Sanders.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: BoldAsLove] 1
#22256292 - 09/18/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: BoldAsLove]
#22256443 - 09/18/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bernie's ideas seem to consist of following the dems in lockstep. We need someone with a proven track record of getting things done and not letting obstacles stand in the way.
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I sort of agree with both of you, to an extent. Sanders does shake things up and raise the right points, but he doesn't offer too much in terms of nuts and bolts logistics. At least he hasn't thus far. In his budget committee hearings he usually just screams at Greenspan/Bernanke/Yellen about bankster fraud, income inequality and the eroding middle class (very important issues), yet doesn't really offer much as a solution. His questions are generally things like, "Do you give one whit about the middle class in America?" which the fed chiefs generally respond to satisfactorily.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: amp244]
#22256536 - 09/18/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, if you go to hs website, it'll tell you what he plans to do about these problems. All of his major issues he's running on he has solutions for.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Achillita]
#22256560 - 09/18/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Will go check those out. I haven't got passed the budget hearings yet so I suppose I hadn't done my due diligence prior to arriving at those conclusions. I'm interested to see what Bernie has on the table.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: amp244]
#22256677 - 09/18/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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amp244 said: Will go check those out. I haven't got passed the budget hearings yet so I suppose I hadn't done my due diligence prior to arriving at those conclusions. I'm interested to see what Bernie has on the table.
The website gives a rough outline of his overall agenda (though I haven't looked at it in a bit). This is why we need to have debates, honestly. I would like more details myself, but apparently the DNC doesn't find actual debate to be terribly important.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22257653 - 09/18/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The website gives a rough outline of his overall agenda (though I haven't looked at it in a bit). This is why we need to have debates, honestly. I would like more details myself, but apparently the DNC doesn't find actual debate to be terribly important.
They did in 2008 when there were 26 debates.
Not even 1/4 of that this year.
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amp244 said: Will go check those out. I haven't got passed the budget hearings yet so I suppose I hadn't done my due diligence prior to arriving at those conclusions. I'm interested to see what Bernie has on the table.
The website gives a rough outline of his overall agenda (though I haven't looked at it in a bit). This is why we need to have debates, honestly. I would like more details myself, but apparently the DNC doesn't find actual debate to be terribly important.
They did in 2008 when there were 26 debates.
Not even 1/4 of that this year.
Apparently it's only the head of the DNC who wanted to handle things this way. Her next level staff are all against it, from what I've heard. Given that she's an ex-Hillary campaign person, there seems to be a clear conflict of interest here, and I hope she gets removed from that position.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22258529 - 09/18/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Apparently it's only the head of the DNC who wanted to handle things this way. Her next level staff are all against it, from what I've heard. Given that she's an ex-Hillary campaign person, there seems to be a clear conflict of interest here, and I hope she gets removed from that position.
It's not only the head of the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Only two of her six vice-chairs have publicly opposed the debate schedule (though to be fair, one of the vice-chairs was just appointed recently). A former head of the DNC spoke in favor of the debate schedule. So there is definitely some support for it in the higher circles.
However, big news on that front today: Pelosi called for more debates. If that doesn't pressure DWS, I don't know what will.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: BoldAsLove]
#22259027 - 09/19/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hillary's numbers have always gone up when she is in hiding, and Debbie is her cohort trying to keep her out of the spotlight. Hillary is useless on her own, and without having every aspect of her appearance orchestrated in her favor she's doomed. She's a goner in any debate considering all the ammo other have on her with all the baggage she has. The lack of democrat debates is 100% damage control for Hillary.
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Re: WHy I don't trust Bernie. [Re: Astral Pain]
#22259180 - 09/19/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: Hillary's numbers have always gone up when she is in hiding, and Debbie is her cohort trying to keep her out of the spotlight. Hillary is useless on her own, and without having every aspect of her appearance orchestrated in her favor she's doomed. She's a goner in any debate considering all the ammo other have on her with all the baggage she has. The lack of democrat debates is 100% damage control for Hillary.
I agree 100%. I just hope O'Malley brings out the big guns and calls her out for being a two faced cunt, because Bernie won't. I think Hillary is even more 'orchestrated' or 'focus grouped' w/e you want to say, than Romney, which is saying a LOT. People these days are more interested in unscripted honesty. With all the fake plastic cultural bullshit, a lot of people have learned to spot disingenuousness and they don't like it.
Hillary is tanking as it is anyway, and she's been hiding for some time now. I would actually be surprised if she is the nominee. I think it will be Bernie or maybe Biden, but not Hillary.
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Bigbadwooof said: He is the longest serving independent in congressional history... Do you disagree with that fact?
I disagree with the fact that he is an independent. can you show me a history of voting where he didn't vote in lockstep with democrats? AND where he did'nt vote the status quo when d's and r's 'reached across the aisle' and forced shit policy down our throats? that will impress me.
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GE, which claims Congress’s failure to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank (Ex-Im) is the reason for its threat, received $35.8 billion in taxpayer-funded contracts between 2000 and 2012. To get an idea of how much that is, that figure is 7 times more money than GE made in profits in 2010. The fact that GE wants the Ex-Im bank reauthorized is an open admittance of the company’s dependence on taxpayer handouts — the bank is the poster child of corporate welfare. Before Republicans blocked its reauthorization, the bank had an estimated $112 billion portfolio. Its 2013 annual report revealed that 81 percent of its portfolio subsidized multinational corporations — two-thirds of which went to just ten companies that made hundreds of millions, and even billions in profit.
The major media has so far failed to counteract GE’s claims about the Ex-Im bank being the reason for shipping jobs overseas. Hillary Clinton and other Democrats have inexplicably gone to bat for the Ex-Im bank. In fact, the only non-Republican to vote against the bank’s re-authorization was Bernie Sanders.
Impressed?
Notyet. I already made the stateent about the ex-im bank and further ore, I knew that about the only two people running who are against it where Bernie and Ted Cruz.
But I was shot down by Fail-Con because he said the ex-im beause he said, to araphrase' its a governent program that creates jobs.'
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HEY FAIL I tOLD YOU SO.
What did you tell me?
In the last post of the thread you linked to, I asked:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'll ask again - how much has the EM-EX bank cost the taxpayer over the last 20 years?
That question is still unanswered.
I said in that post that I don't know enough about the Ex-Im bank to have an opinion on it.
Regardless, paperbackwriter's point was that Bernie doesn't always vote in line with the other democrats, and he is correct on that.
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He is basically a dem. He had to have registered dem to be in the primaries, I'm sure of that. A less dirty dem than the average but they have to go along to get along. None of them are really clean but an outsider is our best chance.
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