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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: Kickle]
    #22254570 - 09/18/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What about a black person of unknown gender who is all juiced up and never gets tested for drugs and never will be?

What about a washed up CEO who gets special treatment in the Republican debate to take on Trump to show how "powerful" she is?


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #22254674 - 09/18/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

loud feminists really do seem to hate femininity. I don't get why being a housewife is considered degrading but a shitty 9-5 job is somehow empowering. careers suck, the only reason men do them is to prove their usefulness to females, so why do women now want to join in? to be more like men? how is that feminism?


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: muckamuck]
    #22255101 - 09/18/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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loud feminists really do seem to hate femininity. I don't get why being a housewife is considered degrading but a shitty 9-5 job is somehow empowering. careers suck, the only reason men do them is to prove their usefulness to females, so why do women now want to join in? to be more like men? how is that feminism?




Simplistic doesn't quite convey your reductionism.:rofl2: Power is a universal motive, which in the case of those who crave it for its own sake, usually turns out to be evil. Career's suck? :lol: I don't think so. I had an enjoyable career that was not based on becoming wealthy, neither was it based upon attracting females. I worked 212 days of the year for 27 years in one gig. If the position didn't stop getting funded, I might still be doing it. I've been in a helping profession for over 30 years. Now I have a pension for the rest of my life, and a 403(B), no mortgage, no car payments, no debt. I take care of my wife who is also retired, and our home. Who says being a housewife, or a househusband for that matter is degrading? Not everyone needs a 2-person income, particularly if one person's career brings in more income that 2 people with 'jobs.' We get out of life what we put into it. It's called investing: of time, effort, and money. Money is financial power, and while I personally require a certain standard of living to be happy, I have never striven to become financially powerful. I live a life that is considerably philosophical for a 21st century man in a world of rife materialism.


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22255133 - 09/18/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:guiltyascharged:


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: muckamuck]
    #22255215 - 09/18/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Markos just made us a nice humble brag sandwich


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: TENGOp]
    #22255270 - 09/18/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

he wouldnt have if muckamuck's post wasnt so dumb :shrug2:


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: quinn]
    #22255292 - 09/18/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah I was rolling my eyes at myself there, it's : guiltyascharged :


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: muckamuck]
    #22255337 - 09/18/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup: ah cool... nice to see someone read and listen to someone elses' post on these boards for once :lol:


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: quinn]
    #22255658 - 09/18/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Who knew humans, in this day and age, could still utilize their literacy for communication.


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #22256146 - 09/18/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ward needed to be a little hard on the Beaver...




Too bad only two people here get that joke. :ohwell:


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22256663 - 09/18/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ward needed to be a little hard on the Beaver...




Too bad only two people here get that joke. :ohwell:




Three.


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: muckamuck]
    #22256766 - 09/18/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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loud feminists really do seem to hate femininity. I don't get why being a housewife is considered degrading but a shitty 9-5 job is somehow empowering. careers suck, the only reason men do them is to prove their usefulness to females, so why do women now want to join in? to be more like men? how is that feminism?




You need to consider, for one example, that Gloria Steinham is a CIA asset.  Consider that the family is an enemy of the elite and their minions such as Steinham is merely carrying out orders.  To say we are attacking the family by having both parents work, but that's reality.  Day Care!  There's your solution. Pre-kindergarten!  Cheaper day care. Wait until the kid is a little older?  Why, when mom is in such an important "career".

Even better, two working people often don't even have kids, who has time to raise a family with our important careers?

Why did woman "join in"?  Because those who dared to even admit to being "lazy housewives" after about 1975 were shamed.  There was a time when a woman would proudly announce that fact but no longer.  Now she must be working, going to school, doing a bunch of other activities and on Facebook and other social media to even matter.

Housewife?  Uh huh honey, here, sit down, let's talk about your being held prisoner and how you need to at least start volunteering time with the Sierra Club or some other important cause.

The Delta Smelt you save could be the one that makes a difference in our world.  Sure, it sounds fishy, but it's a worthy cause.  Little fish matter almost as much as whales.


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #22256966 - 09/18/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Career's suck? :lol: I don't think so. I had an enjoyable career that was not based on becoming wealthy, neither was it based upon attracting females.




I believe you and I think that's great. But the truth is the concept he was talking about is pretty much what makes the world go round. A majority of males working jobs they don't like but need to be done, and making progress in order to provide for family and prove themselves to females. It allows them to have a purpose and a healthy family. Without the progress we made under this system, you likely never would have been able to work a job like that. However even in a system like that the possibility existed for people to work a career that they love. Its not like we gained that by changing to a dual-gender work force.

Anyway polls have shown women are more miserable now than before they started working. I guess "liberation" is a good thing, women should have the choice somehow, but unfortunately the path we've taken has really just fucked things for the majority and the family unit has really taken a hit.

When it comes right down to it, I'll bet a large majority of women would be happier and more fulfilled as stay at home mothers and wives and men would be happy being useful again as provider and protectors. There will always be outliers to this, but should we really have sacrificed this system when it hurt the large majority of us?


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: CuriousMind]
    #22257024 - 09/18/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

CuriousMind, you've been making some very interesting points.  I think the fact that studies show that in the main women are less happy now than before they were "liberated" is telling.  A large part of the idea, in the olden days, was that men worked so women wouldn't have to.  I'm not sure women ever actually knew what they really wanted, but the subversive ideas were attractive, and they had no other option, so the drive for "equality" was in large part what was chosen.  There is a hell of a lot of revisionism on this stuff when it comes to the actual history of the west, and what people were really thinking at say, the turn of the twentieth century (which, of course, is known).  Susan B. Anthony was, for a very long time, looked down on by women of all stripes.  I guess these women didn't know what was good for them.  Well, we've shown them!  Now people want Susan B. Anthony on our money.  The truth on this stuff wriggles around a lot, but the dominant story, that women have been liberated, is revisionist bullshit.


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22257121 - 09/18/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm glad some people understood what I was trying to say even if it was rushed and poorly expressed. I fully support equal rights and I know women have hardships, but so do men, we are all victims of the same system here. The majority of people pushing this I guess have good intentions, they just need to stop and think about the consequences before going ahead and overhauling everyones relationships according to some bizarre political ideology. Why would nature bother designing humans as male and female if those roles had no functional value or purpose? The majority of kids today are being raised by the state because women are too busy exercisng their right to help the rich get richer. I think it's a con and both sexes are suffering.

It's confusing for me to hear about gender inequality and the "patriarchy" or whatever because I've never witnessed anything like that in my life. Maybe it was different when Markos was growing up, but today, from my perspective, women have already achieved equality and then some, even if they don't realize the extent of it. Women have always been powerful, I know I'd much rather be punched in the face by a man than have my soul crushed by a woman. Artificially increasing female dominance is all well and good for dominant men, but for a nervous wreck with no confidence it can be hell, and there are a lot of us. I'm not a villain.

So yes, there is a growing divide and I suspect it may be part of a larger strategy of conquest we are seeing unfold. Maybe I am projecting a bit, or maybe I am still salty about how the whole gamergate thing was reported on, but I figure my personal frustrations may still provide insight into OPs original question.


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: muckamuck]
    #22257169 - 09/18/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's a con and both sexes are suffering.





100% true.  And the history books bear that out totally.  The women's rights movement, whatever merits it may have had, was based exclusively upon political expediency and its supporting propaganda.  No morality anywhere.


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: CuriousMind] * 2
    #22257771 - 09/18/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When it comes right down to it, I'll bet a large majority of women would be happier and more fulfilled as stay at home mothers and wives and men would be happy being useful again as provider and protectors. There will always be outliers to this, but should we really have sacrificed this system when it hurt the large majority of us?


You're fucking with me right? You're playing at being an Archie Bunker Republican from the 1970s right? My wife is a Cornell graduate. She was accepted to Princeton and University of Pennsylvania too, all Ivy League schools. Then she earned an MBA at my former school, the University of Maryland, but she NEVER used her MBA. And, she dropped out of American University law school after a year when she realized that she was being taught to be an arrogant asshole, which she did not want to be. School-wise, I never could've gotten into an Ivy League school, but I DARE you to speak this idiocy to my wife. She'd tear you another asshole and reduce your backward thinking to a pile of rubble. You'd crawl away feeling 2 inches tall for even entertaining such a regressive and in my opinion, socially retarded notion.

When I met my wife she had left her husband, who I know, who is a Black Supremacist. A Black woman herself, she was not having his bigoted trip any more, so she contented herself with raising her daughter for a full 10 years without dating, until she met me and asked me out. I was honored. She was not "happier and more fulfilled" in the roles of wife and mother, although she was successful in the latter role. Her daughter did not get involved with boys or drugs or criminal behavior. My wife is everywhere my equal morally and intellectually. She could have had a lucrative career if she didn't mind selling her soul to the powers that be. But she didn't, and I respect the Hell out of her for (1) getting accepted to American University law school and (2) accepted into the difficult University of Maryland MBA program.

When I met my wife, she was shelving books at Borders Books and Music for shitty pay along with kids and retirees, in the psychology section where I'd visit Friday nights. I'd have informal counseling with people around the analytic couch they had there, and she'd listen in. Capable of having at least two high-paying careers AND raising her daughter, she is a woman not to be reduced to some hideous 1950s stereotype of oppressed and sanctioned slavery and dependence. And btw, my step-daughter made more money her first year working in HR than I made after 20 years in my position. She travels all over for fun: the Caribbean for a friend's wedding, a long weekend in an in-inclusive Mexican resort, and now she's going to Thailand for a holiday. She's a whole lot more capable than many of my former lazy-ass male friends, and she doesn't appear to be interested in either marriage or motherhood. She has acquired positions by her own professional merits. If you're threatened by intelligent and capable women, it's time you dealt with it therapeutically. Women are not the weak, subservient, second-class citizens that you falsely believe them to be, and clearly women can be superior to men. Gender is irrelevant. I've been before female judges, had a female attorney handle my divorce, and have had surgery by a female surgeon, just to name a few examples of women who have held social roles superior to my own in those situations. Get with the 21st century man! :yesnod:


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22258009 - 09/18/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What does working at a job have to do with "selling your soul to the powers that be"?  Is that what Britney Spears and Beyonce had to do to get their lucrative record contracts from the Illuminati?


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #22258564 - 09/18/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No I'm not fucking with you at all. Wake up. You've been blessed with one of the best outcomes and it sounds like you are having a very hard time seeing things from other perspectives.

First off, if you look closely I said that I do believe women should have the choice to work if they want. Whenever someone dares to criticize or even just question our new system people like you just assume the worst and defend yourselves with narrow or circular logic like its a religion or something.

And what I also said is that I think many will find their careers unfulfilling in the end and wish they had spent more time with family or enjoying life in another way. No matter what they say when they are younger and more idealistic with stars in their eyes. This is evidenced by the fact that women are more miserable now than before. 

Just look at the yields of this little experiment. Women are less happy, men are more confused and less fulfilled, and perhaps the most damning of all is that the kids are worst off due to more single-parent homes and more homes with 2 parents working instead of one staying home to keep the house and raise the children.

There's also basic biology and human instinct to consider.

And keep this in mind, I'm not saying that some women won't be successful and fulfilled by working or pursuing other interests. I'm just saying because a large majority have been forced into this path or talked into it, many more women will be and have been led toward unhappy and unsuccessful paths. If you put down your feminist bible for one second you'd realize their is a huge difference between what I said and what you projected onto me.

As for fixing this mess, I don't really know. It seems to me that first off we'd be much, much better finding a way too encourage and support the nuclear family system, perhaps even with an option for working mothers and stay at home fathers. Also I think women should be wholly encouraged to be full-time wives and mothers if that's their wish. Ideally they could choose between this but unfortunately I'm not sure how a system could actually work given human nature. Its like in order to be more 'fair' and 'politically correct' we decreased actual happiness and family quality down a notch.

Women need to be told up front that just because they can have a career doesn't mean that it will actually make them happy. In fact, its likely that it won't, with a good chance it will have the opposite effect. They also need to be told that playing around in their 20s while assuming they can easily find someone and get pregnant in their 30s may also not work out.

And its not like being a full-time wife and mother means that's all your life is. Ideally one would hope that a person in this position will have constructive hobbies and friends. But at the end of the day, not everyone can win. Their will always be people who fail, get hurt, sick etc. Its just that our modern day society is now setting people up and has fallen for idealism rather than honesty.

The simple truth is most people cannot have it all, and trying to can ruin you.

And to drill this into your head, because circular religion logic is a stubborn thing, the question isn't whether women can be successful or do a hard job, its whether most of them really should even try. You look at yourself and your family and think, well gee, it worked out for us. But you're forgetting the large percentage of working women claiming to be unhappy. You're forgetting the divorce rate and increase in single parent homes and all the kids who've suffered and all the career women who look back filled with regret later in life and all the confusion and the divide between the genders. And basic human biology and instinct.

And guess what, most the women who want to be stay at home mothers and wives can't now. They don't realistically even have the choice. How fucking sad and ironic is that?


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Re: Is the divide between the sexes becoming more pronounced? [Re: CuriousMind]
    #22259377 - 09/19/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think CuriosMind has raised some amazing points, a lot of which have really resonated with me. DQ summed up a very interesting point here IMO:

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muckamuck said:
I think it's a con and both sexes are suffering.



100% true.  And the history books bear that out totally.  The women's rights movement, whatever merits it may have had, was based exclusively upon political expediency and its supporting propaganda.  No morality anywhere.




This did too:

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So unfortunately when women become married, they almost immediately start to change, and whether they consciously realize it or not they start wielding their power over their spouses. Soon we see orders being given out like a drill sergeant. It stops looking like a healthy relationship and more like one person dominating another.



I experienced similar. Not in as much as I was suddenly being ordered around (I wouldn't accept that), but more in the sense that suddenly a lot of what I do was 'a problem'. Whether the fact that getting married coincided with the end of the 'honeymoon period' I don't know, but the timing was eerily coincidental.


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One more observation I've personally experienced is that among the dating pool of younger women they seem to expect so much and give so little in return. Its become too one-sided, there is less 'giving' and more 'taking' going on, basically.



I think this is quite salient too. I'm often amazed at the way men will fall over themselves for a good looking woman, regardless of the underlying personality. Markos raised a good point (in another thread I think) that there seems to be an inverse effect in terms of good looks vs. good personality. I wonder if this has lead to the kind of thing described above.


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