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Kalistis


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Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!!
#22224643 - 09/11/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm ready to prep my WBS for inoculation, but I'm reading conflicting advice and could use some clarity. I have purchased 2 bags of Wild Finch Mix bird seed.
1. For rinsing, I have read that I should do so with water (distilled?) anywhere from 2 to 4 times before soaking. Given the seeds are smaller, should I rinse less to prevent the seed from getting gummy?
2. I have also read conflicting opinions on the amount of time the seed should soak for from 8 hours to 24 hours. With gypsum or without? Some people say gypsum isn't necessary With finch seed because it doesn't have corn in it. How much water do I add?
3. Once it has soaked do I drain it then head to simmering in a new pot of water or let it simmer in the water it soaked in?
4. After simmering do I simply drain then load into the jars or let it sit out and partially dry. I'm reading the grains shouldn't be soaking wet, but the dry times range from 30 minutes to 4 hours.
I hope this doesn't look like I'm being lazy... I've spent hours researching this crap and just can't seem to get a straight answer that isn't followed by another article or forum post as to why the last Tek was crap.
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22224705 - 09/11/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. Rinse with tap until the water runs clear and clean. Extra rinsing never hurt nothing.
2. 24 hrs. And OH YEAH on the gypsum. Throw in a handful. And cover the seed until its submerged about 2 or so inches.
3. Let it reach up to that boiling point in the same gypsum grain water that it soaked in.
4. Let it steam dry as much as possible, stirring a few times to expose more and release more steam. Look up the toilet paper trick.
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Spiracha]
#22224733 - 09/11/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Spiracha]
#22225081 - 09/11/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not sure how I haven't come across this Tek yet. Thanks!
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22225267 - 09/12/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I prefer this no cook tek but Frank is awesome as well.
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Edited by jbaby007 (09/12/15 11:49 AM)
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: jbaby007]
#22226159 - 09/12/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would prefer not to cook the WBS if I don't have too. Do you think I'll have a problem not cooking the smaller finch seed? Like will I get enough moisture from the soak and PC alone?
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22226176 - 09/12/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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As long as you soak long enough, no you don't have to boil or simmer the WBS. Soak should be all you need.
Here is how I prepare my WBS. No boil/simmer.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22198648
-------------------- iSmkGrnBud's Teks iSmkGrnBud's Wild Mushroom Finds  The Noob Forum's List of Teks “The probability of success is difficult to estimate; but if we never search the chance of success is zero.” -Giuseppe Cocconi
Edited by iSmkGrnBud (09/12/15 08:44 AM)
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22226260 - 09/12/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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When I get home I'm going to give this a shot. I've decided to try transferring spores to agar at the same time as I knock up a tub of jars with a syringe. I like to keep busy and I like to experiment. If this first attempt fails, I'll try again once I have a contaminate free plate.
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Kizzle
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22226494 - 09/12/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you should just find a tek and follow it. If you're mixing steps from different teks you're going to get conflicts and you could potentially wind up with a tek that doesn't work very well. For example drying time is greatly decreased when there's a simmering step right before drying because of the remaining heat. If the tek has no such simmering step then it may very well need a longer drying time.
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Spiracha
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kizzle]
#22226515 - 09/12/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea, getting that perfect moisture content is pretty important. The reason you simmer in Franks tek is because the surface moisture gets released as steam. I personally find it easiest. To each his own. But find a tek and stick to it to a T.
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Spiracha]
#22236086 - 09/14/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alright guys, 18 hour soak after 4 rinses. Total of 7 dry quarts which should yield enough for 12 jars. I threw in 6 tablespoons gypsum and filled bucket 3 inches over seed. After soak, the seed smells somewhat fermented. Did I fuck up? The bucket was covered overnight.
I have the seed in my sink in strainers drying. I don't want to move on if I screwed up.
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Spiracha
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22236135 - 09/14/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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All is fine. You didn't fuck up at all. Pretty much always gonna smell like that after a soak. Everything gets sterilized and all forms of endospores etc. DIES.
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Spiracha]
#22236164 - 09/14/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I figured as much. I can't wait to kill the fuckers.
For my lids I think I'm going to use silicone and Tvek. I'm working on them now as my seed dries. Overkill? Should I just use polyfil?
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22236195 - 09/14/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use synthetic disk filters. I would recommend investing in those. BUT, polyfil works great. (i have no experience with tyvek)
remember: 1/4in hole for ge
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Spiracha]
#22236226 - 09/14/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tek for synthetic disc filters? I'm out and about. I can go buy some. But where?
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22236252 - 09/14/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've come this far....might as well go all the way! My seed should be okay sitting while I figure these lids out?
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Spiracha
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22236284 - 09/14/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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HAHA! I think you may be stuck ordering online. But hey, if u want I can send a dozen or so quarter size SFDs on wednesday. PM me if u want. (i will b back online in 4 hours or so)
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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Spiracha]
#22236345 - 09/14/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fooman WBS tek 4 lyfe
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: PoIIo]
#22236730 - 09/14/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks! I'll do that. For my first set I'll just use Tvek and silicone. I just drilled my 1/4 inch holes. I feel like a butch lesbian, baby, with my power drill and high temp silicone in hand. Lol.
Pollo- WBS Tek shout out? Lol. I appreciate the sentiment but I'm not sure how your shout out adds to the conversation?
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22236797 - 09/14/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hahaha. The mason jar lids had sharp edges after drilling so I took my dremel and smoothed out the holes. I love my dremel.
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Kalistis


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Re: Conflicting WBS Tek - Help!! [Re: Kalistis]
#22238330 - 09/14/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Finished first batch in PC. They came out perfect! Starting second batch now.
BTW the silicone is a huge PITA. It might just be because it was my first run but I made a huge mess! I can see how this method is going to keep things sterile and I'm happy I'll be able to use my jars again, but when I discovered I had more seed than the 12 jars could hold, I decided to dump it rather than be bothered to make 4 more jars.
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