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Sagescruffy
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: P.Zappatecorum] 1
#22235011 - 09/13/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very solid post
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: Sagescruffy] 1
#22235452 - 09/14/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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^^ i agree
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22235470 - 09/14/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: ^^ so how did mescaline slide under the radar? dumb luck?
How often do you see mescaline on the street? Mescaline cacti are slow growing and it takes a shit-ton of material to make a single dose, even with peyote, you're talking 10-30 plants that took at least 3-5 years to grow. There's no money in that.
During the 60's and 70's when there was mescaline on the street, all those fucking bastards were going out and raping the deserts, taking plants from nature and selling them or extracting them; the boomers ate up all the grandfather peyote and then when it was gone they just switched to LSD and the synthetic phenethalymines and mescaline became a whimsical memory of the glory days past for most people.
Nowadays there isn't any big operation making tons of mescaline because nobody ever grew their own when it was produced commercially. With the time, land and resources invested to make a thousand dollars worth of mescaline you could probably grow 10 thousand dollars worth of weed or make 100 thousand dollars worth of meth. It's simple economics. Mescaline is a high cost, low demand product so nobody bothers producing it on a large enough scale for the government to see it as a threat.
Sure, you can pay a pretty penny for some HCL on the darknet and NAC members and small time hobbyists are growing peyote or trichocereus for personal use, but that it such a small percentage of the drug market that it is the least of the government's concern as far as drug policy goes, some states even make that legal. I happen to live in one that has religious exemption on the books.
There's no great conspiracy as to why they don't crack down on mesc, it's because nobody is making a bunch of money off mesc. As of now it the use of it is just too rare and low profile. If it gets too popular and starts getting the wrong kind of press, you can guarantee a crackdown though. If people do start making some money off it, making huge pedro farms etc. then watch how quickly it all gets shut down.
That's in conservative states of course, I could easily see there being a wave of religious exemption laws like the medical marijuana thing for psychedelics, they're already in a gray area in Oregon, Arizona and a couple other states where you theoretically are allowed to have peyote for religious purposes. Whether or not that will stop the cops from busting down your door is entirely a different story, but it's a step in the right direction. 
So then why are drugs like dmt and 5-meo-dmt illegal? In terms of popularity and no profit those drugs are like mescaline.
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22235509 - 09/14/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess the secret to every trip is knowing that it'll be over, and when it finally is over you'll think "why didn't I just commit to it...". Have fun with it the next time!
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22235520 - 09/14/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always assumed most of the street mescaline available back in the day was synthesized rather than extracted from cacti.
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22235850 - 09/14/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
So then why are drugs like dmt and 5-meo-dmt illegal? In terms of popularity and no profit those drugs are like mescaline.
Mescaline is illegal. DMT was made illegal by the same law that made mescaline illegal in 1970. Root bark became illegal recently because people were importing huge quantities of it in a fad that became widespread and made it into the public zeitgeist, just a few years back you could legally get root bark and it was no big deal. Then smoking DMT became huge, tons of online shops popped up selling bark for easy extraction and the authorities became conscious of the problem and cracked down. People may not be making much money off DMT but it's more widespread than mescaline, and there was a whole lot of root bark being sold so there was money in that. All the obscure RCs that are illegal because of the analogue act only get scrutinized when they start getting popular. Look at the n-bomes, bath salt cathinones etc. As soon as something gets to be a fad and cops start finding it alongside other drugs when they bust people, they'll start cracking down on it.
The reason why non-peyote mescaline producing cacti aren't outright banned is mainly one of enforcement, as was said earlier in the thread, San Pedro is an ubiquitous staple of southwestern landscaping, it would be nearly impossible to tear it all out and make a bunch of law-abiding people with ornamental cacti criminals just to stop a non-existent drug problem. Same reason morphine is illegal but you can go to your nursery and buy seeds and even starter plants of opium producing poppies.
The plants are left legal or in a legal grey-zone because they were widespread before the drug laws and the majority of the people that own them are not using them to manufacture large quantities of drugs, most of them are completely ignorant of the fact that the plants contain drugs at all, in fact. That a few people are making a bit of pod tea or brewing up a couple feet of pedro now and then doesn't concern the authorities.
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22236628 - 09/14/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think a major concern to drug prohibition is the accessibility and reward of getting high per drug. Most people that are buying drugs, want an easy route of administering and want rewarding effects over less. Hence why many ethnobotanical drugs are still legal. They require a process to prepare and often come with side effects. Root bark only became illegal, because people were buying huge quantities to make pure DMT to then sell to people who want to be able to just smoke it and not extract it. You can still buy many other plants for making ayahuasca. you can still buy cactus, Morning glory seeds, datura, bufo toads and many other ethnobotnicals. Most people who want to get high, want to do it easily. It is only the dedicated psychonaut that will spend hours brewing a cactus tea, to then force down the most vile tasting thing man has ever tasted. And do it repeatedly for desired effects. Your average high school stoner is not interested in such endeavors.If mushrooms were not as potent and required a process to ingest them they would probably still be legal as well. As well as anything extracted from its natural form will be made illegal.
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: reptilian]
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: Peyote Road]
#22239253 - 09/14/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've made that mistake not with peyote, but too often. Most of my bad trips come from either being tired or hungry. so basic
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Re: oh man I just dosed mescaline and now regret it [Re: Peyote Road]
#22239735 - 09/15/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have done very similar things, like dosing mescaline after partying the night before, i think i got a little sleep though.
I have dosed acid after already being awake for 24+ hours many many many times. its fun. the visuals are much better!
just know you will be very sensitive to things, dont be around assholes.
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