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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22211624 - 09/09/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



I ended up placing these on a shelf and forgot about them for quite some time, while cleaning I came across them, there were unintentional spore prints left, so I figured I should post them, they look purple/Brown to me...


These are about to be thrown out, so I might as well post the information before it's gone.


-E. Borodin


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22211629 - 09/09/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I know it's rare, but still, I have never been able to bring myself to eat fungi that came from the wild and was harvested by a person who may or may not know what they are doing...

-E. Borodin




Question: So, do you trust the people at the grocery store who just blindly stick the pre-packed shit they have been sent on the shelf? Or do you trust the mass harvester participating in a commercial grow?

Personally, I feel a lot safer eating fungi that I know the exact provenance of & that I have gathered myself because I know the research I've put into it and I don't even know who the people are in the grocery store/commercial grow equation, much less their level of expertise.


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: doctorghosty]
    #22211736 - 09/09/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:


I know it's rare, but still, I have never been able to bring myself to eat fungi that came from the wild and was harvested by a person who may or may not know what they are doing...

-E. Borodin




Question: So, do you trust the people at the grocery store who just blindly stick the pre-packed shit they have been sent on the shelf? Or do you trust the mass harvester participating in a commercial grow?

Personally, I feel a lot safer eating fungi that I know the exact provenance of & that I have gathered myself because I know the research I've put into it and I don't even know who the people are in the grocery store/commercial grow equation, much less their level of expertise.




I have not heard of a commercial mushroom producer ever mixing a toxic species into their final product. If they did not have experts working with them, and their fungi was unclean or unsafe, the FDA would shut them down. Mushrooms must be grown in very sterile conditions, just because the conditions mushrooms grow in are great for bacteria, mold, and other fungi, which can cause your crop to fail, or bacteria and molds to be present in your end product, or an unknown fungi could become mixed in with the substrate and fruit along side the intended species...any way comercial growers do a good deal to prevent this...
(I don't eat fungi from the store either though, but not for any reason aside from I think edible store fungi are rubbery and flavorless, I just don't like them)



This is what a commercial mushroom grow looks like, they are very clean, and measures are taken to ensure that contamination does not occur...and should anything occur, they won't release it to the public...

-E. Borodin


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22211753 - 09/09/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Understood and I'm not saying I don't eat grocery store mushrooms, I'm just saying I feel safer with wild mushrooms I have picked.

If I was suspect of grocery store shrooms, though, the FDA being in charge of regulating them being safe wouldn't exactly quell any concerns either... name one thing the government is right on top of.


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22213459 - 09/09/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank you for the clarification.

if I'm ever inaccurate I appreciate when others correct me, I don't want to be going around saying something that is incorrect,  I would look like a fool. This is why I don't understand why people get angry when others correct them.

Again, thanks for clarifying.

-E. Borodin




anytime.  and i p much feel the same about being corrected.


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: doctorghosty]
    #22219339 - 09/10/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Understood and I'm not saying I don't eat grocery store mushrooms, I'm just saying I feel safer with wild mushrooms I have picked.

If I was suspect of grocery store shrooms, though, the FDA being in charge of regulating them being safe wouldn't exactly quell any concerns either... name one thing the government is right on top of.




They seem to be pretty far on top of "Farmageddon" :lol:
Keepin that money in the same hands!

:2cents:

Anyhow, I don't disagree with any of you. Its all personal preference/piece of mind:pipesmoke:

This thread has taken a turn to Off Topic, so I will stop bumping it..


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: confuzzed]
    #22222428 - 09/11/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What do you guys mean by bumbing a thread? (You have to bare with me I'm not fluent in "internet forum"language)

Just posting on it?

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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22222488 - 09/11/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What do you guys mean by bumbing bumping a thread? (You have to bare with me I'm not fluent in "internet forum"language)

Just posting on it?

-E. Borodin




It means replying to push it back up to the top, so that people will see it.


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: elprawn]
    #22222592 - 09/11/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, I suppose that makes sense.

-E. Borodin


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22223656 - 09/11/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is there any way to post in a thread with out it doing that? Because a lot of times I post in chunks or go back and add things...

-E. Borodin


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22223704 - 09/11/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There really isn't. If what you're thinking of adding isn't actually something that directly relates to the original discussion, then it might be better to just create a new thread.


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: confuzzed]
    #22223742 - 09/11/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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doctorghosty said:
Understood and I'm not saying I don't eat grocery store mushrooms, I'm just saying I feel safer with wild mushrooms I have picked.

If I was suspect of grocery store shrooms, though, the FDA being in charge of regulating them being safe wouldn't exactly quell any concerns either... name one thing the government is right on top of.




They seem to be pretty far on top of "Farmageddon" :lol:
Keepin that money in the same hands!

:2cents:

Anyhow, I don't disagree with any of you. Its all personal preference/piece of mind:pipesmoke:

This thread has taken a turn to Off Topic, so I will stop bumping it..




What a world, no I think if I could grow all my own food completely free of pesticides and chemicals in good soil, and from natural plants that were not genetically altered, I would.

And I can see how wild mushrooms provide a food fresh from nature, I'm just afraid of alpha-Amanitin, which after reading a good deal about it, I think my fears are somewhat justified, some of these toxins are not even clearly known, the one I mentioned is pretty scary stuff:
α-Amanitin has an unusually strong and specific attraction to the enzyme RNA polymerase II. Upon ingestion and uptake by liver cells, it binds to the RNA polymerase II enzyme, effectively causing cytolysis of hepatocytes (liver cells).[3] Few effects are reported within 10 hours; it is not unusual for significant effects to take as long as 24 hours after ingestion to appear, with this delay in symptoms making α-amanitin poisoning even more difficult to diagnose and all the more dangerous. By then, it is far past the time in which stomach pumping would yield an efficient result. Diarrhea and cramps are the first symptoms, but those pass, giving a false sign of remission. Typically, on the 4th to 5th day, the toxin starts to have severe effects on the liver and kidneys, leading to total system failure in both. Death usually takes place around a week from ingestion.-Wikipedia

...I'm make a lot of mistakes, so I just avoid ever eating a wild mushroom, why even take the risk? (Which I know is rare, very few mushrooms kill you, most toxic fungi just make you sick, some will do nothing unless you consume alcohol, then you will have an  antagonize like reaction.

it's all fascinating chemistry, and the organisms themselves are fascinating, there's really nothing like them (I'm sure as a teen hearing mckenna say that "the spore casings are as electron dense as a metal, and can survive leaving  an atmosphere, which they can do by traveling on the wind into the upper atmosphere, then because they are purple they can be pushed by light out into space, and the conditions of outer space are perfect for preserving spores, so they could just float until they hit a planet" (a mycological panspermia) had heavy influence with my mystification with these lifeforms, even though mckenna never said this actually happens, he was just saying wouldn't it be bizzare if it could.

...but I have very little interest in  eating them as food, it's like when I study insects, they fascinate me, and I'll collect them for hobby research, but I wouldn't dare eat them.

I'm picky about all my food though, there's a good deal of things I will not eat, meat, fish, lobsters, crabs, shrimp, most my reason behind not eating them is because I personally think it's disgusting, I don't care what others eat, I just can eat those things.

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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: ToxicMan]
    #22223760 - 09/11/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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There really isn't. If what you're thinking of adding isn't actually something that directly relates to the original discussion, then it might be better to just create a new thread.




Well, like my last post, I wanted to respond, but I don't want it to bump it...

That kind of sucks...because like I said I'll post in chunks, and I respond a lot, but I didn't know it was putting it to the top of something where everybody would see it...

-E. Borodin


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Re: ID on some LBM's (Colorado) [Re: confuzzed]
    #22223912 - 09/11/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea those last pictures remind me of foes.
I have some pictures somewhere if you would like me to post them for comparison.

I must have eaten a pound of wet foes trying to see if there was any activity, but no go for me :frown:
They grew in my yard and soccer field like clockwork...

I bet there's actives in Colorado waiting to be found and documented.
I know some adventurous heads that have tripped off something my professors in college couldn't identify and still don't resemble anything I've seen today... They were braver than I !!!

At least these dodos had a goodi time with no ill effects, now they're all married with children :lol:
The things they don't tell their wives:rofl:

I understand the caution with wild consumption, took me awhile to get to the point I am now, which is comfortable eating most choice wild edibles.... I've also had people try to feed me shit that wasn't what they said :shakefist:

Oh well.  I'm 80% on those being pan foes in the last pics.
Keep on huntin :thumbup:




I really hope those were foes, this way I can get a good feel for each species, I already threw them back to mother earth, but I'll have years ahead of me to study, so I'm not in a rush.

I collect them, take notes about where I found them and any other important details, do a spore print, take pictures, and then I throw them all into some pine straw under a gigantic pine tree near the area I found them in, or in the grass next to it,
I generally put them under the tree so they are out of the way and there are not just piles of mushrooms littering that area...

I bet a ton of species are going to end up all sharing that same spot, they all grow in the same habitat at the same time...(the suspected pan. Cincts come from a different location, and I always will first see garden slugs, then when I peel back the tall grass with in a 5 foot by 5 foot square of seeing the slugs,  and I find the pan. Cincts, if it's not moist enough for slugs I never seem to find them there...)


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