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If were to fly out into space 1 light year away and set up a giant mirror facing earth, then looked at said mirror through a high power telescope, would we be observing everything on earth 2 years in the past?
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Theoretically I don't think it's even possible to do such a thing, the mirror would have to be too big and the telescope beyond anything we're capable of doing.
But in theory, yes, that's what would happen.
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if you were 1 light year away i doubt you would want anything to do with looking back on earth.
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It would be one year in the past. The light traveling with you at lightspeed would be the light you started with on Earth. So you wouldn't miss a thing technically. You could watch everything.
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Re: Would this work? [Re: MoxyOx]
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MoxyOx said: It would be one year in the past. The light traveling with you at lightspeed would be the light you started with on Earth. So you wouldn't miss a thing technically. You could watch everything.
Wouldn't it take 1 year for the light from earth to hit the mirror then another year for it to bounce back to the telescope back on earth?
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Shroomslip said: Theoretically I don't think it's even possible to do such a thing, the mirror would have to be too big and the telescope beyond anything we're capable of doing.
But in theory, yes, that's what would happen.
You're saying that theoretically it wouldn't work, but in theory it would? :/
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MoxyOx said: It would be one year in the past. The light traveling with you at lightspeed would be the light you started with on Earth. So you wouldn't miss a thing technically. You could watch everything.
Wouldn't it take 1 year for the light from earth to hit the mirror then another year for it to bounce back to the telescope back on earth?
If light is travelling in a straight line back and forth then who's to say which direction it's travelling?
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Shroomslip said: Theoretically I don't think it's even possible to do such a thing, the mirror would have to be too big and the telescope beyond anything we're capable of doing.
But in theory, yes, that's what would happen.
You're saying that theoretically it wouldn't work, but in theory it would? :/
I'm saying theoretically I don't think it's even possible to do, no matter how advanced we get. But as far as theory of light travel goes, yes you would expect to be looking back 2 years into the past.
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If you shine two identical flashlights directly at eachother how do you know which light is which? I mean, is the light from each flashlight bouncing off the glass and returning to the flashlight, are the sources creating an individual and identifiable light source, or can you look at the middle and just say "Yeah there's some light there"?
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XLCaps said: If you shine two identical flashlights directly at eachother how do you know which light is which? I mean, is the light from each flashlight bouncing off the glass and returning to the flashlight, are the sources creating an individual and identifiable light source, or can you look at the middle and just say "Yeah there's some light there"?
I get what your saying, but its different if you're actually viewing the light and there is only one light source.
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If you look into a mirror, what you are actually seeing is the light reflecting off that mirror and it takes time for the light to bounce off you, hit the mirror and bounce back off into your eyes. So theoretically every time you see yourself in the mirror you are actually seeing yourself in the past, even if it is 0.00000001 milliseconds in the past.
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 How about this. If both torches are turned on at the same time, one path is direct but the other is bounced off mirrors, will both people see the light at the same time? If the speed of light is 299 792 458 metre per second, then increasing the distance the light needs to travel will delay its arrival at its destination correct? I'm not the best at getting what's in my head into words but if you can manipulate light is that not manipulating time? Ie. If you slow down light you are slowing down time.
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wolfiewolfie said: If were to fly out into space 1 light year away
That would take you 39,000 years to get there in a shuttle (not counting how long it would take to refuel to fight the effects of the sun's gravity, bathroom stops, and not subtracting how much less time it would take if you slingshotted around planets to increase your speed, and pee'd out the ship's window instead of stopping).
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wolfiewolfie said: and set up a giant mirror facing earth
How big of a mirror? Did you bring it with you, or do you need to take more time to mine planets for materials? Do you have to spend additional time battling a war because you tried illegally mining a planet with life forms already on it who are pissed that you're taking their aluminium for a giant space mirror?
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wolfiewolfie said: then looked at said mirror through a high power telescope
Who looked through the telescope? Did you look through it towards Earth from where you built the mirror? Or are we looking at you and your mirror 1LY away? Or did you take another +39,000 years to get back to Earth to look through a telescope at your mirror 1LY away?
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wolfiewolfie said: would we be observing everything on earth 2 years in the past?
-No.- I don't know what your species' life span is, but mine is only 300 years, so I'd be dead by the time you set this whole thing up. Kinda a waste of time, if you ask me. I'm going back inside, it's getting cold.
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wolfiewolfie said: How about this. If both torches are turned on at the same time, one path is direct but the other is bounced off mirrors, will both people see the light at the same time?
No. The light having to do more bouncing would take longer to reach it's intended target since it's a longer distance.
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Arctic you are correct in everything you say, however you are focusing on unimportant areas of my question. Firstly lets just say that 'somehow' the mirror was set up 1 light year away. We are back on earth looking into the mirror through a telescope. The light that bounces off earth would take 1 yr to to hit the mirror, then another year to bounce back to our telescope therefore the light we would be observing is light that bounced off the earth 2 years ago. And seeing as all we see is light, we would be seeing the earth through a telescope 2 years in the past. As for the torches, you agree that if we slow down light by making it have to cover more area we can make an observer view something at a different time to someone else, therefore manipulating time?
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This is hands down, the least scientifically thought out hypothesis I've ever heard. And someone once told me LSD can transfer to her pet cat through skin contact...
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Giftofdeprivation said: This is hands down, the least scientifically thought out hypothesis I've ever heard. And someone once told me LSD can transfer to her pet cat through skin contact...
I'm just initiating a healthy debate over an idea I had after a few bowls. Sorry if that offends you
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It seems after a simple google search I'm not the first to come up with this theory. http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-61837.html
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I thought this was pretty cool "Think about it - the speed of photons (light) is finite. It is 299,792,458 m/s. Now, imagine you were standing just 1 metre away from someone, and you turned to look at them. What you see is photons that have been fired from a "light source", travelled between the light source and that person, hit that person, then bounced off that person and travelled between him and you.
Now, light travels at 299,792,458 m/s. The minimum distance from him to you is 1 m. To get the time it takes to travel x metres at v metres per second, you do t = x ÷ v. 1 ÷ 299,792,458 is 3.33564095 × 10^(-9), or roughly 3.34 ns.
So even when you're looking at an object that is only a metre away, you're still looking around three nanoseconds into the past. Cool, huh?"
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So from what I understand using the above logic is the further away an object is that you are viewing, the further into the past you are looking. So in order to look further into the past you must increase the distance the light has to travel (hence my original post using the mirror to look at ourselves whilst making the light travel a huge distance)
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Oh, I'm not offended man, thanks. I'm just observing the fact that this isn't even a half baked idea...
How long does it take for the information to travel? Oh, end of discussion. Zzzzzzzz
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Giftofdeprivation said: Oh, I'm not offended man, thanks. I'm just observing the fact that this isn't even a half baked idea...
How long does it take for the information to travel? Oh, end of discussion. Zzzzzzzz
Sorry, I just have these kind of ideas all the time and my friends aren't open minded enough to explore them with me. Any criticism is better than wondering if i could be right or wrong That's why I'm slowly falling in love with this forum :P
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And the discussion is mainly about possibly being able to see into the past... i think some people are missing the point.
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*me attempting to create a discussion over an idea that I now realise is more flawed than I initially thought
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If you had a mirror two LY away, you would see 4 years into the past - your idea is correct.
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If you had a beamsplitter;
1) that sent one part of Earth's light through the splitter, then bouncing off the mirror (one more LY away) at 180° back through the splitter and returning to Earth...
2) and the other part of that light reflected off the splitter and sent to another mirror 1.5 LY away, then bouncing off at 180° back to the splitter, reflected and merged, and sent back to earth...
What would you see in the telescope on Earth?
Same light, taking two different distances and returning to the exact same point.
And you're not changing Time, you're changing the distance that light travels which changes the perception of Time traveled.
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Arctic W. Fox said: If you had a mirror two LY away, you would see 4 years into the past - your idea is correct.
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If you had a beamsplitter;
1) that sent one part of Earth's light through the splitter, then bouncing off the mirror (one more LY away) at 180° back through the splitter and returning to Earth...
2) and the other part of that light reflected off the splitter and sent to another mirror 1.5 LY away, then bouncing off at 180° back to the splitter, reflected and merged, and sent back to earth...
What would you see in the telescope on Earth?
Same light, taking two different distances and returning to the exact same point.
And you're not changing Time, you're changing the distance that light travels which changes the perception of Time traveled.
Honestly I have no idea how to answer that haha which is what I love
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So if you were to stand at one end of a 1 mile long object, so you can see the whole thing, you would be observing the closest part of the object lets say 5 nanoseconds in the past and the furtherest part of the object (pure example) 20 nanoseconds in the past. Theoretically viewing different parts of the same object at different points in time, at the same time. Or am i just confusing myself now :/
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wolfiewolfie said: So if you were to stand at one end of a 1 mile long object, so you can see the whole thing, you would be observing the closest part of the object lets say 5 nanoseconds in the past and the furtherest part of the object (pure example) 20 nanoseconds in the past. Theoretically viewing different parts of the same object at different points in time, at the same time. Or am i just confusing myself now :/
....although, prove me wrong?
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wolfiewolfie said: So if you were to stand at one end of a 1 mile long object, so you can see the whole thing, you would be observing the closest part of the object lets say 5 nanoseconds in the past and the furtherest part of the object (pure example) 20 nanoseconds in the past. Theoretically viewing different parts of the same object at different points in time, at the same time. Or am i just confusing myself now :/
This thinking is correct (according to current theories). It's probably not measurable at all (for only a mile-long object), but if the object was 10 LY long, the light from the edge of the object closest to you would be current, while the object's other end would be light sent ten years ago.
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So you could classify a 3d object as something that produces different timeframes of light, whereas a 2d object produces a single timeframe of light?
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....a 1d object would produce no timeframe of light and a 4d object would produce...?
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Maybe a 4d object produces different timeframes of different timeframes of light? O.O or I'm too baked
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I think a mod needs to intervene here. You should have to sit on your hands for eighteen hours after these doozies.
Here's a simple idea that will fuck with you: gravity is strongest at the source and becomes weaker, the further you go. Therefore, if you could see gravity, each planet would look like a light bulb, radiating outward, endlessly fading across the universe.
It's the nature of gradients. You seem new to them. That's kinda how time and causality works, too (via your "discussion"), but it's not magical/mystical, it's just the nature of four dimensions and entropy.
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I wanna feed this guy a bunch of MXE, give him a global sticky and see what he can do.
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...have I done something wrong here?
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wolfiewolfie said: Maybe a 4d object produces different timeframes of different timeframes of light? O.O or I'm too baked 
You're too baked. lol
Seriously, these are really awesome questions to be asking. I would suggest, though, to take a read through Wikipedia on some of these topics - you'll easily get a better understanding of what you're asking and probably come up with a lot more questions for which you can wiki-search them as well.
If getting baked makes you think like this, cook on, brotha. lol
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*What he said!
Another prism thought to melt your brains:
 What would you see if different colours of light took different distanced paths and were reflected back, merged, and sent to their original location?
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Define wrong I'm just cracking up, man.
Arctic: Oh yeah! I chose not to bring up entropy and the eventual loss of information (photons bouncing about), but I'd completely forgotten about the red shift... The split light would come back all tinted, compared to the other.
It'd essentially be like running speaker wire across the universe; every few hundred lightyears, we'd need an amplifier.  That's all I can contribute productively.
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Dude... redshift's a bitch. Don't even go there; too many variables. LOL!!
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No but seriously, this beats having only myself to argue with thanks guys, ill check those links out!
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"If getting baked makes you think like this, cook on, brotha. lol" I cant smoke weed before I go to bed otherwise I stay awake thinking about this kind of stuff lol...
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So to answer the question, in the most simplistic, basic way yes it is theoretically possible, but as soon as you start looking at it 'realistically' it is not possible?
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Yes and no. Depends on whose theories you are trying to prove, a chit load of physics and mathematical variables, and depending on if you like Steven Hawking or think he's a mental midget...
Study all of it!
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I spend a lot of time in OTD/romp, where people are just messin' with each other all day. Don't take me, or people like me a lick of seriously.
in all semi-seriousness, it's extremely out of reach and would not function at all in that way. We can only guess, but I think the main idea to impart is that of relativity of time and the seemingly finite nature of light speed. It's a good thought experiment and you went the right direction in seeing the gradient of causal perception.
What's interesting is that light slows (as in wavelengths, see arctic's prism picture) disperses (entropy).
If you are interested in these gradients, have you looked into black holes? if not, check out their effect on light, time, gravity, matter, and information. Shit crazy.
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Giftofdeprivation
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Those links were fun to read. I have a hard time imagining beyond the fourth dimension. I watched a bunch of youtube videos, but it wasn't salient in my mind. I think I also read a few conflicting ideas, I think. It is interesting thinking about ourselves as fourth dimensional, causal vectors across time. Growing and echoing out influence across the cosmos.
Now I'm stoned.
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Edited by Giftofdeprivation (09/12/15 12:12 AM)
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Arctic W. Fox

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Now, go study Quantum Physics and String Theories and see that none of this is really real.
And, neither am I.
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