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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
    #22232622 - 09/13/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Now you're personally attacking everyone who has AD(H)D and claiming they're lying about their experience. Including me. I'm done. :thisfuckinguy:


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22232637 - 09/13/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Now you're personally attacking everyone who has AD(H)D and claiming they're lying about their experience. Including me. I'm done. :thisfuckinguy:




He thinks he knows more then doctors who went to medical school for almost a decade and know these things up and down.

His anecdote means all their qualifications and years of hard work and the opinion of the entire medical community is wrong.


Hey OP, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the guy that say people with clinical depression should just "be positive" and that it was that easy. Well guess what buddy, our suffering is real and for you to make these claims based on loose anecdotes and absolutely no qualifications in this area is laughable.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22232639 - 09/13/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I just did like 5 hours of homework so my ADD treatment is working well for me. I know all people benefit from amphetamines (maybe?), but overall all people benefit from xanax and not everyone should be put on xanax.



A lot of people in college take adderall or vvyanse, some who don't have ADD. If it makes you feel better that its especially prescribed for you from your doctor and not some dealer then think that way. But drugs are drugs and its all subjective to the individual user and how many bong rips they can take. I don't care about the medical communities opinion on the matter.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
    #22232642 - 09/13/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The only reason these guys are claiming adhd is real is because if they saw it our way, they would, in a sense, die. They enjoy their enslavement and that is the real dis-ease...




If you take this attitude and apply it to your understanding of religion, you will go a long way in understanding your own dis-ease:wtf: you seem to have going on, so in a sense I can relate to your frustration, .


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22232649 - 09/13/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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LSDreamer said:
Now you're personally attacking everyone who has AD(H)D and claiming they're lying about their experience. Including me. I'm done. :thisfuckinguy:




He thinks he knows more then doctors who went to medical school for almost a decade and know these things up and down.

His anecdote means all their qualifications and years of hard work and the opinion of the entire medical community is wrong.


Hey OP, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the guy that say people with clinical depression should just "be positive" and that it was that easy. Well guess what buddy, our suffering is real and for you to make these claims based on loose anecdotes and absolutely no qualifications in this area is laughable.




It's not even laughable, it's probably one of the most personally insulting things someone could assert.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22232652 - 09/13/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I just wanna say though my vyvanse prescription has been life changing and am happy I was diagnosed with ADD cause since I got proper treatment my life has already improved tremendously. I know you will call bullshit on that but for what it is worth my individual treatment really worked for me and I feel normal.




LMAO what's normal?????




Being able to read a page of a fucking textbook from start to finish and remember what I read. Actually hand something in on time. Doing things as simple as getting myself together in the morning or listening to a lecture from start to finish without being completely zoned out.

Lots of smart people have ADD and they have an up road battle but the best thing we have right now is the treatment we have in place at the moment. Stimulants are the way to go you can do that hippy shit that OP is suggesting like meditate and eat cabbage but that will only do so much for people with real psychiatric disorders.



but the hippy shit works and the cabbage will do wonders :smugjerry:


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22232662 - 09/13/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ADD is a disorder.

People with ADD have trouble paying attention, people with GAD are anxious, people with depression are depressed.

All of these disorders are real. No, we are not making them up. There is a list of symptoms you need to have for a diagnosis. This is how modern psychiatry works. If you don't like it and think these things are just a state of mind you can switch with the snap of your fingers then you can start your own medical school and teach it your way.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22232671 - 09/13/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
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The only reason these guys are claiming adhd is real is because if they saw it our way, they would, in a sense, die. They enjoy their enslavement and that is the real dis-ease...




If you take this attitude and apply it to your understanding of religion, you will go a long way in understanding your own dis-ease:wtf: you seem to have going on, so in a sense I can relate to your frustration, .




Off topic. But please pm me and tell me how my view on religion is wrong.


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Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22232684 - 09/13/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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ADD is a disorder.

People with ADD have trouble paying attention, people with GAD are anxious, people with depression are depressed.

All of these disorders are real. No, we are not making them up. There is a list of symptoms you need to have for a diagnosis. This is how modern psychiatry works. If you don't like it and think these things are just a state of mind you can switch with the snap of your fingers then you can start your own medical school and teach it your way.




Also, one thing that deniers ignore is that in order for a disorder to be diagnosed, the symptoms must significantly interfere with the patient's life/ability to function. Deniers like to take random symptoms and point out that lots of people have them, so psychiatry is bullshit. They are failing to understand that many mental disorders are basically normal behavior taken to such an extreme that it causes distress and interferes with the patient's life.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22232723 - 09/13/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Life is what you make it... If you need psychotropic drugs that alter your brain chemistry to get through it, you're weak.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
    #22232739 - 09/13/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Life is what you make it... If you need psychotropic drugs that alter your brain chemistry to get through it, you're weak.




And if you deny the suffering of others (not to mention attempt to add to it) then you're a sociopathic fuckwit.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22232751 - 09/13/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lmao xD sociopath??? Is there some blood-work I can get done to prove that like ad(h)d and depression/anxiety??

Oh wait you can't because there are no such things...


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22232760 - 09/13/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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LSDreamer said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
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LSDreamer said:
Now you're personally attacking everyone who has AD(H)D and claiming they're lying about their experience. Including me. I'm done. :thisfuckinguy:




He thinks he knows more then doctors who went to medical school for almost a decade and know these things up and down.

His anecdote means all their qualifications and years of hard work and the opinion of the entire medical community is wrong.


Hey OP, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the guy that say people with clinical depression should just "be positive" and that it was that easy. Well guess what buddy, our suffering is real and for you to make these claims based on loose anecdotes and absolutely no qualifications in this area is laughable.




It's not even laughable, it's probably one of the most personally insulting things someone could assert.



Lol I never once told people they were lying. I never once insulted people for being inattentive. I insulted you both because you put words in my mouth and contort what I am saying completely. You have repeated the same points and twisted what I said in the exact same way for the 4th time in this thread. THIS is why I think you are retarded. This is why I insult you. Your butthurtness overtake your logic much like a weak woman.
I dont insult you for your lack of attention span. You can't control your mind. It races. Thoughts simply come into existence from the mind (haven't you noticed?). This morning I thought about fucking my friends' roomate. I also thought about smoking weed later. For some their mind races and too many thoughts pop out from consciousness. I belive you 100%. But let me be clear:

ALTHOUGH YOUR LACK OF ATTENTION AND SCATTERED MIND ARE REAL, AND YOU LACK CONTROL OVER THEM, IT IS NOT AN UNCURABLE DISEASE. It can be cured. The same way that a fat person GENUINELY cant control his sugar cravings, you cant control your mind. But if a fat person told me he couldn't control his sugar cravings and asked me for advice, I would tell him to excercise and sleep more to curb cravings while weaning off sugar. And similarly, you are telling me your mind can't stay at one point. I agree and believe you 100%. But not trying anything else but speed to cure it is silly and irresponsible. If it works for you, I am happy for you. But its not an uncurable disease. Its a lack of attention span. The mind and body are incredibly plastic and as such you can train them with the above mentioned techniques to cure them

And no. If your brain can't produce enough seretonin, get on some damn medication. But taking SSRI's as a first approach is also irresponsible. Some girl told me she was depressed. She popped molly every weekend. That would probably be a good place to start with your sadness. She was also a complete bitch to her awesome boyfriend. This is where to begin with dpression. If ALL natural and practical solutions to depression are exhausted, then get on medication because it is clearly biological


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
    #22232765 - 09/13/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Lmao xD sociopath??? Is there some blood-work I can get done to prove that like ad(h)d and depression/anxiety??

Oh wait you can't because there are no such things...




http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/276150.php

http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20140916/blood-test-spots-adult-depression-study


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
    #22232776 - 09/13/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
Lmao xD sociopath??? Is there some blood-work I can get done to prove that like ad(h)d and depression/anxiety??

Oh wait you can't because there are no such things...




You do not understand modern psychiatry.

Like the above poster said, you basically need to demonstrate a list of symptoms that are interfering with your life. The doctor will talk to you and ask you questions and if you meet the list of requirements for a diagnosis you are diagnosed.

There is no blood test, there is no mark on a person's face or anything visible that will tell you if you have it. That is why a medical professional must evaluate you to determine your diagnosis and the proper course of treatment.

Not everything is resolved with meditation and psychedelics. I consult medical professionals for my treatment not people on the internet that have no education in this department and have no fucking idea what they are even talking about.


And topdog if you have a cure for ADD that information is worth billions of dollars. To this point though there is no cure for most mental disorders that I am aware of. There is management and treatment, but nobody I have heard of is ever cured.

Your anecdotes are great but do you have a PHD and are you a certified doctor who can make these claims? Our current medical system is set up that you can approach any illness with therapy, drugs, or a combination of both.

You are not a medical professional so shut the fuck up and stop making a joke out of people's mental disorders.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
    #22232780 - 09/13/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
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moonrockmushy said:
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The only reason these guys are claiming adhd is real is because if they saw it our way, they would, in a sense, die. They enjoy their enslavement and that is the real dis-ease...




If you take this attitude and apply it to your understanding of religion, you will go a long way in understanding your own dis-ease:wtf: you seem to have going on, so in a sense I can relate to your frustration, .




Off topic. But please pm me and tell me how my view on religion is wrong.




Yes gods have absolutely no place in a scientific discussions, glad we can agree on that.

I'm just letting you know I know how you feel, only replace ADHD with God. :thatsinteresting:


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22232786 - 09/13/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Instead of going to a doctor, we should all visit topdog cause he knows more then people with PHD's.

He has the cure to every mental illness guys!


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
    #22232789 - 09/13/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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LSDreamer said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
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LSDreamer said:
Now you're personally attacking everyone who has AD(H)D and claiming they're lying about their experience. Including me. I'm done. :thisfuckinguy:




He thinks he knows more then doctors who went to medical school for almost a decade and know these things up and down.

His anecdote means all their qualifications and years of hard work and the opinion of the entire medical community is wrong.


Hey OP, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the guy that say people with clinical depression should just "be positive" and that it was that easy. Well guess what buddy, our suffering is real and for you to make these claims based on loose anecdotes and absolutely no qualifications in this area is laughable.




It's not even laughable, it's probably one of the most personally insulting things someone could assert.



Lol I never once told people they were lying. I never once insulted people for being inattentive. I insulted you both because you put words in my mouth and contort what I am saying completely. You have repeated the same points and twisted what I said in the exact same way for the 4th time in this thread. THIS is why I think you are retarded. This is why I insult you. Your butthurtness overtake your logic much like a weak woman.
I dont insult you for your lack of attention span. You can't control your mind. It races. Thoughts simply come into existence from the mind (haven't you noticed?). This morning I thought about fucking my friends' roomate. I also thought about smoking weed later. For some their mind races and too many thoughts pop out from consciousness. I belive you 100%. But let me be clear:

ALTHOUGH YOUR LACK OF ATTENTION AND SCATTERED MIND ARE REAL, AND YOU LACK CONTROL OVER THEM, IT IS NOT AN UNCURABLE DISEASE. It can be cured. The same way that a fat person GENUINELY cant control his sugar cravings, you cant control your mind. But if a fat person told me he couldn't control his sugar cravings and asked me for advice, I would tell him to excercise and sleep more to curb cravings while weaning off sugar. And similarly, you are telling me your mind can't stay at one point. I agree and believe you 100%. But not trying anything else but speed to cure it is silly and irresponsible. If it works for you, I am happy for you. But its not an uncurable disease. Its a lack of attention span. The mind and body are incredibly plastic and as such you can train them with the above mentioned techniques to cure them

And no. If your brain can't produce enough seretonin, get on some damn medication. But taking SSRI's as a first approach is also irresponsible. Some girl told me she was depressed. She popped molly every weekend. That would probably be a good place to start with your sadness. She was also a complete bitch to her awesome boyfriend. This is where to begin with dpression. If ALL natural and practical solutions to depression are exhausted, then get on medication because it is clearly biological




That was not a response to you. It was a response to the guy up there who literally said anyone with ADHD is lying. Also, I think I already made clear that what you're saying is, more or less, considered best practices in medicine. That doesn't mean that best practices are always followed, of course, but behavioral and lifestyle changes should always be first-line treatment.

SSRIs are so commonly and freely prescribed because they're just so safe. The chance of a serious adverse reaction is low and you'll know in less than a month if it will help.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22232793 - 09/13/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You guys can lick the hand that feeds you but I choose to think for myself. All I am trying to do is help you see the light but you are willfully ignorant of the truth or just too far gone to see it. Hope you guys get well.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
    #22232802 - 09/13/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You guys can lick the hand that feeds you but I choose to think for myself. All I am trying to do is help you see the light but you are willfully ignorant of the truth or just too far gone to see it. Hope you guys get well.




that's a nice sentiment :nofuckyouthough:


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