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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead] 1
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I just wanna say though my vyvanse prescription has been life changing and am happy I was diagnosed with ADD cause since I got proper treatment my life has already improved tremendously. I know you will call bullshit on that but for what it is worth my individual treatment really worked for me and I feel normal.
LMAO what's normal?????
Being able to read a page of a fucking textbook from start to finish and remember what I read. Actually hand something in on time. Doing things as simple as getting myself together in the morning or listening to a lecture from start to finish without being completely zoned out.
Lots of smart people have ADD and they have an up road battle but the best thing we have right now is the treatment we have in place at the moment. Stimulants are the way to go you can do that hippy shit that OP is suggesting like meditate and eat cabbage but that will only do so much for people with real psychiatric disorders.
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The doctors are the ones who said there is no benefit numnuts...
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
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Lol that's great I'm happy for you. But what you fail to understand is taking speed daily and planning to do so for years to come is not a smart long term solution
At this point we have agreed to disagree though. Live your life
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I just wanna say though my vyvanse prescription has been life changing and am happy I was diagnosed with ADD cause since I got proper treatment my life has already improved tremendously. I know you will call bullshit on that but for what it is worth my individual treatment really worked for me and I feel normal.
LMAO what's normal?????
Being able to read a page of a fucking textbook from start to finish and remember what I read. Actually hand something in on time. Doing things as simple as getting myself together in the morning or listening to a lecture from start to finish without being completely zoned out.
Lots of smart people have ADD and they have an up road battle but the best thing we have right now is the treatment we have in place at the moment. Stimulants are the way to go you can do that hippy shit that OP is suggesting like meditate and eat cabbage but that will only do so much for people with real psychiatric disorders.
If you think going to a doctor and getting prescribed stimulants is the way for you, then by all means I support your right to do that and I'm not going to question what goes on between you and your doctor, but I have found plenty that disagree with the notion that stimulants effectively treat the root cause of ADHD. There are some pretty serious considerations when it comes to drugs like this, and I think a good doctor is going to make people aware of this and leave the choice up to the person taking it.
It sucks how noone will just let other people decide for themselves what works and what doesn't. It's always either the government, heartless doctors, or even the people around you breathing down you neck and saying you're doing it wrong. I live in a country where someone can go to a doctor and get some drugs, or have someone put crystals up your butt to solve the same problem, and as funny as that can be sometimes I think it is a good thing. Treatments have always changed and evolved, and I'm sure they'll continue to change. It's sad that people make the wrong choices sometimes and perhaps are harmed because of it, but that is their mistake to make.
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I just wanna say though my vyvanse prescription has been life changing and am happy I was diagnosed with ADD cause since I got proper treatment my life has already improved tremendously. I know you will call bullshit on that but for what it is worth my individual treatment really worked for me and I feel normal.
LMAO what's normal?????
Being able to read a page of a fucking textbook from start to finish and remember what I read. Actually hand something in on time. Doing things as simple as getting myself together in the morning or listening to a lecture from start to finish without being completely zoned out.
Lots of smart people have ADD and they have an up road battle but the best thing we have right now is the treatment we have in place at the moment. Stimulants are the way to go you can do that hippy shit that OP is suggesting like meditate and eat cabbage but that will only do so much for people with real psychiatric disorders.
If you think going to a doctor and getting prescribed stimulants is the way for you, then by all means I support your right to do that and I'm not going to question what goes on between you and your doctor, but I have found plenty that disagree with the notion that stimulants effectively treat the root cause of ADHD. There are some pretty serious considerations when it comes to drugs like this, and I think a good doctor is going to make people aware of this and leave the choice up to the person taking it.
It sucks how noone will just let other people decide for themselves what works and what doesn't. It's always either the government, heartless doctors, or even the people around you breathing down you neck and saying you're doing it wrong. I live in a country where someone can go to a doctor and get some drugs, or have someone put crystals up your butt to solve the same problem, and as funny as that can be sometimes I think it is a good thing. Treatments have always changed and evolved, and I'm sure they'll continue to change. It's sad that people make the wrong choices sometimes and perhaps are harmed because of it, but that is their mistake to make.
look into the pharmacology of amphetamines and other stimulants like ritalin... they are insanely effective in treating the disorder... i didnt want to be medicated for the longest time after being on the drugs for over a decade, now i want to go back to them and kind of wished i had stayed on them... i would have a second degree by now if i didnt flip my lid in college and cold turkey everything
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82] 1
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topdog82 said: Just for the record; I am only entering this conversation again because zappa is arguing. BC's unscientific mind is too much to deal with
I was diagnosed with ADHD from a young age, and always flunked through classes. I have effectively cured myself from ADHD. I know because I currently have 0 problems paying attention
As the video above shows, ADHD is NOT a disorder. ADHD is merely a lack of ability to pay attention. For example; you go to a doctor and say you have a cough. He doesnt diagnose you with a "cough". He will diagnose you with the "flu". And as such, a lack of attention isn't a disease. It is a symptom of a dysfunction somewhere in the body/mind
For example, I spent more of my ADHD years eating chips and cookies. The imbalance of omega3/omega6 fatty acid could more than likely have caused neurological dysfunction. In addition, both neurofeedback and meditation both have cured me and many of my friends of their lack of attention. In addition, a clean dieting and sleeping regiment helped as well
I took a doctor mandated test 5 years ago (When I was diagnosed with ADHD). I went for a checkup with the same "expert" many years later, the test revealed I was completely normal, and even above average. I haven't touched adderall or ritalin in about 2-3 years. I am getting A's and B's in school
BC; you cant eat 1 meal a day of juice and cookies, have no excercise, not try neurofeedback, drink tons of coffee daily, take adderall, and then complain that you have ADHD. This isn't rocket science
Obviously, for some people, the cause of the symptom known as "ADHD" is unknown. But in most cases, it CAN be solved. If ALL possible attempts for a natural cure are attempted, then adderall is a fine temporary solution
I posted this in another thread. But here it is. I wanted a separate thread for this discussion
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I'm not even reading the rest of the thread, because this claim is so ridiculous. For starters, your anecdote is not evidence. It's like when someone has terminal cancer, decides to "treat" it with homeopathy, and happens to be one of the people who goes into spontaneous remission.
Moving on from that, the fact that diet, exercise, and meditation are enough to manage your case is great. I'm genuinely happy for you. If I had to wager, I'd say the biggest contributor is meditation. Meditation is kinda like working out the functions of the brain that are deficient in AD(H)D. Assuming you weren't misdiagnosed in the first place, since you say your assessment changed dramatically, it would seem that your case is on the milder end of the spectrum. Severe AD(H)D is seriously no joke. It is genuinely debilitating.
And your claim that ADHD doesn't exist can be empirically disproven. You can spot ADHD on brain scans.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: 404]
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404 said: ... look into the pharmacology of amphetamines and other stimulants like ritalin... they are insanely effective in treating the disorder... i didnt want to be medicated for the longest time after being on the drugs for over a decade, now i want to go back to them and kind of wished i had stayed on them... i would have a second degree by now if i didnt flip my lid in college and cold turkey everything
Like I said I'm not one to tell someone what works or doesn't work for them, but what I think what BC is perhaps overlooking is that these drugs come along with definite risks and side effects, and it should be up to an individual (and their doctor of course, but doctors are too empowered and we need to move towards patient centered medicine IMO) if that sacrifice is justifiable.
Who knows what would have happened, you might have had a breakdown as the result of stimulants. Thinking that having a second degree is what is missing from your life kinda strikes me the wrong way, as if you're missing out on certain things I consider important to happiness. I think that achievement needs to be balanced with a sense of independence and the ability to employ discipline in the face of adversity.
Is it true that stimulants help some people do this? Sure, but I think it's also true that sometimes there is another harder road that is more worthwhile in the end. I would say most doctors would agree with me there, at least on a personal level, even if that is not something they are trained to promote. Every doctor I've ever had who has been helpful has kinda pushed me into sort of more holistic treatments, which is something that comes out of common sense and just living long enough to realize that part of life is that struggle.
I know there is a difference between someone who literally cannot maintain focus long enough to learn something, and someone who just has a hard time focusing, and it's true that psychology does not adequately represent this when it seeks to promote "one size fits all" treatments for a given disorder.
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The fact that whether or not ADHD exists at all and that, if it does, stimulants are an effective treatment is laughable. This information is out there. Plenty of it. There is no contention on this issue among professionals. The scientific consensus is in. Period.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22229939 - 09/13/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not even sure what side of the debate you're on here.
It's not a scientific thing to me, nothing in psychology really is. I could use that to try and invalidate the whole notion of ADD/ADHD, but I know some people find psychology and related treatments helpful. I don't really need to see a study for that, I just trust others to know what is right for them.
Stims effect different people differently, but I think everyone only has so much tolerance for it and sooner or later anyone is going to suffer from taking them. If that is acceptable to someone, then ok, nunna my biz, but I do resent when people are eager to ignore this and put drugs on a pedestal.
There is no "cure" for ADHD, but often it is resolved with an increase in age. It is possible that the treatments prescribed could be worse than the disease, it's actually fairly common I would say. Especially with children, it is still very controversial.
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I'm not even sure what side of the debate you're on here.
It's not a scientific thing to me, nothing in psychology really is. I could use that to try and invalidate the whole notion of ADD/ADHD, but I know some people find psychology and related treatments helpful. I don't really need to see a study for that, I just trust others to know what is right for them.
Stims effect different people differently, but I think everyone only has so much tolerance for it and sooner or later anyone is going to suffer from taking them. If that is acceptable to someone, then ok, nunna my biz, but I do resent when people are eager to ignore this and put drugs on a pedestal.
There is no "cure" for ADHD, but often it is resolved with an increase in age. It is possible that the treatments prescribed could be worse than the disease, it's actually fairly common I would say. Especially with children, it is still very controversial.
If your position is that you don't care what the best available evidence says, then there's simply no discussion to be had. ADHD is a real thing to the point of being diagnosable using brain imaging. It doesn't get a whole hell of a lot more conclusive than that. As for stimulants, they work for many people. Lifestyle changes should be first line treatment for almost any illness. The fact that it often doesn't work that way really isn't anybody's fault. Lifestyle change is just extraordinarily difficult.
Taking stimulants long-term certainly isn't risk free. Everything in medicine is a risk/reward calculation. I take Lamicatal. It is very beneficial for me. Know what the risk is? When you start taking it, there's a chance you can develop Steven-Johnson Syndrome. It's a horrifying condition. Go look it up if you want to be disturbed.
The point is, if someone can't function due to ADHD, which is preferable? Untreated or treated? Which carries more risk?
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
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Well I think with psychology, everything is necessarily based on the subjective experience of those that diagnose, as well as the circumstances of the diagnosed. There is no way to quantify how effective a person is with maintaining control over their attention, and I think you presume scientests know more about neurodynamics than they actually do.
Every credible source I have read regarding ADD/ADHD has stated that it can be very difficult to properly diagnose, and it can't be ignored that there are ethical concerns regarding making decisions for other people about what is and isn't acceptable in terms of behavior.
I have a hard time believing that someone could not function because of ADD/ADHD, but I fully believe that they would have a hard time coping with modern expectations. I think it is definitely a mistake to say that it is always ok to treat the person, when often a change in that person's environment could be more effective. To me it is unbelievable how increasingly frequent it is becoming for people to be prescribed stimulants, and it is kinda disturbing to me that fault is found in the person so easily where systemic problems that might contribute to the problems these people are having are chronically ignored.
Like kids need physical activity, and to be engaged by the world around them. If this does not happen, I would fully expect it is likely that child would be diagnosed with ADD/ADHD, which to me is a travesty, and an example of people taking the easy route when if we all put our minds to it better solutions could be found for everyone.
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moonrockmushy said: Well I think with psychology, everything is necessarily based on the subjective experience of those that diagnose, as well as the circumstances of the diagnosed. There is no way to quantify how effective a person is with maintaining control over their attention, and I think you presume scientests know more about neurodynamics than they actually do.
Every credible source I have read regarding ADD/ADHD has stated that it can be very difficult to properly diagnose, and it can't be ignored that there are ethical concerns regarding making decisions for other people about what is and isn't acceptable in terms of behavior.
I have a hard time believing that someone could not function because of ADD/ADHD, but I fully believe that they would have a hard time coping with modern expectations. I think it is definitely a mistake to say that it is always ok to treat the person, when often a change in that person's environment could be more effective. To me it is unbelievable how increasingly frequent it is becoming for people to be prescribed stimulants, and it is kinda disturbing to me that fault is found in the person so easily where systemic problems that might contribute to the problems these people are having are chronically ignored.
Like kids need physical activity, and to be engaged by the world around them. If this does not happen, I would fully expect it is likely that child would be diagnosed with ADD/ADHD, which to me is a travesty, and an example of people taking the easy route when if we all put our minds to it better solutions could be found for everyone.
You're talking about misdiagnosis of ADHD. That's a totally separate issue. There is very thorough testing that can be done to determine if a person has AD(H)D with a very high degree of confidence. This testing is rigorous, time consuming, and expensive. It is not done in the majority of diagnoses.
AD(H)D is frequently treated by primary care physicians, which can lead to sub-optimal outcomes. An actual psychiatrist is more likely to have you try the non-stimulant options before trying a stimulant.
You say you have a hard time imagining someone couldn't function with untreated ADHD. Let me paint you a picture of what happens if my ADHD isn't under control, personally. If my ADHD isn't under control, I won't be able to perform at my job like I need to. I need that job to survive, straight up. This means that I will, as soon as possible, start self-medicating to cope with the ADHD. That will inevitable lead me to a total relapse on substance abuse. That substance abuse will cause anhedonia which, combined with any other stresses in my life, will cause my MDD to flare up. By that point, I'm pretty well fucked.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
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Yeah I understand. I mean I'm medicated myself maybe you're right, I agree that there's plenty of evidence.
People that are more serious about actual treatment and aren't people that just like speed are clearly different, and it's got to be frustrating if that's what works for you but people are telling you that isn't a viable option, or having to worry about judgement because of it. As much as I like to call psychology into question, when it comes down to it I'm not trying to pretend I have something better to offer.
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I just wanna say though my vyvanse prescription has been life changing and am happy I was diagnosed with ADD cause since I got proper treatment my life has already improved tremendously. I know you will call bullshit on that but for what it is worth my individual treatment really worked for me and I feel normal.
LMAO what's normal?????
Being able to read a page of a fucking textbook from start to finish and remember what I read. Actually hand something in on time. Doing things as simple as getting myself together in the morning or listening to a lecture from start to finish without being completely zoned out.
Lots of smart people have ADD and they have an up road battle but the best thing we have right now is the treatment we have in place at the moment. Stimulants are the way to go you can do that hippy shit that OP is suggesting like meditate and eat cabbage but that will only do so much for people with real psychiatric disorders.
Maybe you don't want to read the fucking textbook. Maybe you don't want to remember it.... Maybe you know there something better out there yet you dilute yourself with speed to fit in...
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I just wanna say though my vyvanse prescription has been life changing and am happy I was diagnosed with ADD cause since I got proper treatment my life has already improved tremendously. I know you will call bullshit on that but for what it is worth my individual treatment really worked for me and I feel normal.
LMAO what's normal?????
Being able to read a page of a fucking textbook from start to finish and remember what I read. Actually hand something in on time. Doing things as simple as getting myself together in the morning or listening to a lecture from start to finish without being completely zoned out.
These things are also a problem for me. I'm tellin' ya man. Just try 25mg of zoloft. It ain't gonna kill ya, don't be a pussy. You need to take it every day for 2 weeks, for the effects to begin to set in. And at the same time every day, the whole time you're on it. Yes, you'll notice a few anti depressant qualities coming through. Its not the end of the world. You'll be happier and kinder to people, and feel like going out more and socializing. If you sit in front of a computer, you just won't be able to do that anymore for so long. If you're like me, and you're not really depressed, then of course the medicine is gonna go on strong and really raise your mood. But its 25mg. That's like taking 0.25 grams of mushrooms. You're not going to off yourself or anything, like those people who are taking 200mg of prozac.
Why not try it out, I'm telling you, it turned my academic life around. I can sit there and study, and do school work, for as long as I need to. Yeah you'll need to get up and take a 5-10-30 minute break every hour or two. So does every normal person. It really changes things.
What I do, is I use it for a year, then cycle off for as long as I can freakin' stand it. It really sucks going back to my ADD self. Right now I've been off for about 4 months, and I'm missing it.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: bennylava]
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Look IMO the idea that this is some incurable genetic disease for life is the biggest crock of shit. Often times, little children (2-10 year olds) are diagnosed. I think that it goes without saying that this simply little children doing what they do (being obnxious and playful) is not ADHD. This most likely explains the cases of ADHD below the age of 10. As for adults who have ADHD; having a scattered mind simply "happens". The average american isnt leading a healthy life conducive for a cnetered mind. Cell phones, social networks, fast food etc. Its not a value judgement. Most american thinks their diet and lifestyle is "normal". I know I did when I was obese
Also, why is it that there has been a dramatic rise in adult diagnosis in the recent years? And it seems strange that this disorder only existed in recent years as well
EVERY family member or friend of mine that has oriigianlly taken my advice to meditate or use neurofeedback has had their ADHD symptoms disappear completely. Literally every single one. And that really sees like too much to be a coincedence to me
I empathize grealty with someone who can't get thier mind to get them what to do. But telling kids that their poor attention span is an uncurable disease that makes them "special" and then giving them amphetamines is stupid. Sure it works in the short term, but it ruins lives and self-confidence. It takes a stroke of logic to see that it is simply unsustainable in the long term. And instead of giving them hard medication, we ought to give them what they really need; brain training thecniques to cure the lack of attention
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
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topdog82 said: Look IMO the idea that this is some incurable genetic disease for life is the biggest crock of shit. Often times, little children (2-10 year olds) are diagnosed. I think that it goes without saying that this simply little children doing what they do (being obnxious and playful) is not ADHD. This most likely explains the cases of ADHD below the age of 10. As for adults who have ADHD; having a scattered mind simply "happens". The average american isnt leading a healthy life conducive for a cnetered mind. Cell phones, social networks, fast food etc. Its not a value judgement. Most american thinks their diet and lifestyle is "normal". I know I did when I was obese
Also, why is it that there has been a dramatic rise in adult diagnosis in the recent years? And it seems strange that this disorder only existed in recent years as well
EVERY family member or friend of mine that has oriigianlly taken my advice to meditate or use neurofeedback has had their ADHD symptoms disappear completely. Literally every single one. And that really sees like too much to be a coincedence to me
I empathize grealty with someone who can't get thier mind to get them what to do. But telling kids that their poor attention span is an uncurable disease that makes them "special" and then giving them amphetamines is stupid. Sure it works in the short term, but it ruins lives and self-confidence. It takes a stroke of logic to see that it is simply unsustainable in the long term. And instead of giving them hard medication, we ought to give them what they really need; brain training thecniques to cure the lack of attention
Just want to say first and foremost it is nice to have new people in this thread coming in and calling you out on your absolute b.s.
Your anecdotes are not scientific evidence. I will speak to a qualified medical professional about ADD. In the medical field there is no debate about whether ADD is real or not. ADD has existed for a long time and to get diagnosed I had to do an interview and a questionaire. The doctor went over each question with me after and we had a long discussion before being diagnosed and the entire process was over half an hour at the minimum. They are not handing out addy like candy at all.
Just wanna say though, you are way the fuck out of line to claim and entire disorder is not real and that everyone who is getting relief through their treatment is doing damage to themselves and doing everything wrong. To all us ADD sufferers right now, that have our condition supported with real medical/ scientific evidence instead of obscure anecdotes like the things you are claiming we are very insulted and frankly pissed off at what you are saying.
Stimulants are the perfect treatment for ADD because they increase your attention span and for someone with ADD they calm you down. If you give something like xanax to every person with anxiety it will be useful, but of course everyone in the world even without anxiety could benefit from xanax in many situations.
You have zero expertise in this field, you are NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL, YOUR ANECDOTES ARE SHIT and stop pretending like you know what the hell you are talking about.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
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topdog82 said: Look IMO the idea that this is some incurable genetic disease for life is the biggest crock of shit. Often times, little children (2-10 year olds) are diagnosed. I think that it goes without saying that this simply little children doing what they do (being obnxious and playful) is not ADHD. This most likely explains the cases of ADHD below the age of 10. As for adults who have ADHD; having a scattered mind simply "happens". The average american isnt leading a healthy life conducive for a cnetered mind. Cell phones, social networks, fast food etc. Its not a value judgement. Most american thinks their diet and lifestyle is "normal". I know I did when I was obese
Also, why is it that there has been a dramatic rise in adult diagnosis in the recent years? And it seems strange that this disorder only existed in recent years as well
EVERY family member or friend of mine that has oriigianlly taken my advice to meditate or use neurofeedback has had their ADHD symptoms disappear completely. Literally every single one. And that really sees like too much to be a coincedence to me
I empathize grealty with someone who can't get thier mind to get them what to do. But telling kids that their poor attention span is an uncurable disease that makes them "special" and then giving them amphetamines is stupid. Sure it works in the short term, but it ruins lives and self-confidence. It takes a stroke of logic to see that it is simply unsustainable in the long term. And instead of giving them hard medication, we ought to give them what they really need; brain training thecniques to cure the lack of attention
Well said... Don't listen to these guys. They have been brainwashed by the system and are convinced they are sick. Hell, my uncle has more sense then most people on anti-psychotics and he is what the medical community would call mentally retarded. I swear this guy is all there though and he knows it. He milks his "disease" any chance he gets. He's not an idiot yet doctors say he is learning disabled... Bullshit...
The only reason these guys are claiming adhd is real is because if they saw it our way, they would, in a sense, die. They enjoy their enslavement and that is the real dis-ease...
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
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I just did like 5 hours of homework so my ADD treatment is working well for me. I know all people benefit from amphetamines (maybe?), but overall all people benefit from xanax and not everyone should be put on xanax.
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