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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22227935 - 09/12/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My medication works for me. Without my meds I would be procrastinating my homework. Today I have been spending the past hour and a half or so writing notes and reading chapters and still plan to do much more.

Some people might have been able to do that in the first place, but not me. I could maybe read the material but I would be distracted and not have any of it sink in which makes school impossible.

Eating a healthy salad and doing whatever it is OP suggested simply does not work for people with real ADD. Nootropics are useless as hell too if you have real ADD. Nootropics don't help you focus or get motivated to do much of anything at all lol



wait...so you are telling me that speed helps you focus? That is mindblowing
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Eating salad isnt going to cure ADHD. A proper diet plan along with neurofeedback and a host of other trial and error processes will work
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There is an actual chemical cause of some depressions but it is way overdiagnosed for episodic sadness related to life events where sadness is a completely appropriate response.



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Exactly brother. I think people don't realize here that doctors are not perfect. All they have to base everything on is a short conversation with you and they go from there.

Solving psychiatric condition often is a process of trial and error. It has nothing to do with them tossing out random medications and hoping it works. People might just react differently to each medication and often times actually diagnosing what you really have in the first place is not as easy as you would think.

Is ADD a real medical disorder? Yes, absolutely. The overwhelming majority of the medical/ scientific community is in agreement over this. The fact that OP thinks sharing an anecdote about his misdiagnosis and posting a video disproves years of research and study is ridiculous. To tell someone with depression to "just be positive" is a slap in the face to depressed people who have made every change possible to be happy but yet wake up crying every day and don't understand why.

People with ADD can make lots of changes in their life style too and still suffer from their symptoms. We are not making this up. We are not lazy. We are suffering and deserve the proper treatment.

OP is very arrogant and misinformed on this topic and to us ADD sufferers it is a huge slap to the face. His lack of understanding and compassion for people suffering with this condition is hurtful and disrespectful.

People with ADD are more likely to drop out of college, lose their jobs/ get fired, abuse drugs, ect. It hurts your quality of life and needs to be addressed and to act like it does not exist is spreading misinformation about a real condition.




Also; depression is part of life. To label everyone who is sad as depressed and give them heavy medication is stupidty at its finest. If one has experienced depression for years of their life and they have tried other more safe and natural approaches, than their depression is clearly deeply rooted in their biology and is not simply a "phase". I stated this all explicitly. Dont put words in my mouth




It really sucks you think that way about depression. My family has a history of depression. My sister for example, if she read what you just wrote would probably knock you out. Some people can have the perfect diet, exercise, have a job, do everything write, but they are clinically depressed and are crying for no reason. They can't help it.

It really fucking sucks you have that attitude and to all people suffering from clinical depression and need proper medication and treatment I apologize for topdog's ignorance on this subject. They can't just be positive their is an imbalance in their brain. My sister had to get put on an SSRI and since then her life has changed. It took a lot of trial and error to find the proper balance of medication and therapy but for her the results have been amazing and I am happy for her. My parents both have depression too and needed to be treated.

For you to come here and say everyone suffering from ADD is full of it basically just is giving a giant fuck you to all us sufferers. The medical community is not debating it, maybe there is a very small vocal minority writing books but go to any doctor and ask about ADD and the overwhelming consensus (at least 99.9% of doctors) will say it is real and requires medical professional treatment.



BC do you even read my posts? I specifically said that for some, depression is a serious issue. For most people on anti-depressants, they dont try muc


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22227970 - 09/12/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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God sometimes I wonder if I should find another forum to post in. You guys are so dense most of the time.

What the fuck else are doctors supposed to do? If you guys don't trust modern psychology and modern medicine give me a better alternative that will work for the millions of people in your country.

We do the best with what we have/ know.

If you want to treat your depression with drugs, go to a doctor. If you want to do it on your own that is your choice. If you want to try therapy do that.

ADD is real, depression is real, there are different ways to treat them so do what is best for you.


But to people with ADD and anxiety sometimes eating right or exercise is not enough. To call their suffering bullshit makes me furious honestly. I think we should combine medication and lifestyle changes to get the best outcome. But I believe for a lot of people you need a combination of both. Most people in the medical community agree with this statement.

Mushrooms are not the solution to everything. Are there improvements and progress that needs to be made in our understanding of human psychology and how to treat it? Of course. But everyone shut the fuck up this is the best thing we have right now. You can go to a herbalist if you want or just never visit a doctor. That is fine with me.



BC you either are mentally retarded or you don't read my posts. Its probably both

I flunked out of classes my whole life. I deeply empathize with those who have issues in their like. I have been suicidally depressed off and on my whole life

All I am saying is that you (and most people with ADHD) are really just people who can't focus. ADHD at its core only has 1-2 symptoms. Not being able to focus

All of the evidence is really stacked up against you. There isn't any evidence that people with ADHD aren't just every day people who cant focus. Not being able to focus is not an uncurable disease. Its called not being able to focus

Telling people that your lack of attention span is a disease makes you retarded. Figure out and try new treatment options instead of simply taking speed.

I never once said anyone's suffering and pain is bullshit. Just trying to call your poor attention span a disease and giving you speed isn't a smart way of curing it

My posts are as objective and as scientific as possible. Stop misconstruing them and read them as what they are; objective scientifically backed facts


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22227977 - 09/12/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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ADD is not real



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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
    #22228079 - 09/12/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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God sometimes I wonder if I should find another forum to post in. You guys are so dense most of the time.

What the fuck else are doctors supposed to do? If you guys don't trust modern psychology and modern medicine give me a better alternative that will work for the millions of people in your country.

We do the best with what we have/ know.

If you want to treat your depression with drugs, go to a doctor. If you want to do it on your own that is your choice. If you want to try therapy do that.

ADD is real, depression is real, there are different ways to treat them so do what is best for you.


But to people with ADD and anxiety sometimes eating right or exercise is not enough. To call their suffering bullshit makes me furious honestly. I think we should combine medication and lifestyle changes to get the best outcome. But I believe for a lot of people you need a combination of both. Most people in the medical community agree with this statement.

Mushrooms are not the solution to everything. Are there improvements and progress that needs to be made in our understanding of human psychology and how to treat it? Of course. But everyone shut the fuck up this is the best thing we have right now. You can go to a herbalist if you want or just never visit a doctor. That is fine with me.



BC you either are mentally retarded or you don't read my posts. Its probably both

I flunked out of classes my whole life. I deeply empathize with those who have issues in their like. I have been suicidally depressed off and on my whole life

All I am saying is that you (and most people with ADHD) are really just people who can't focus. ADHD at its core only has 1-2 symptoms. Not being able to focus

All of the evidence is really stacked up against you. There isn't any evidence that people with ADHD aren't just every day people who cant focus. Not being able to focus is not an uncurable disease. Its called not being able to focus

Telling people that your lack of attention span is a disease makes you retarded. Figure out and try new treatment options instead of simply taking speed.

I never once said anyone's suffering and pain is bullshit. Just trying to call your poor attention span a disease and giving you speed isn't a smart way of curing it

My posts are as objective and as scientific as possible. Stop misconstruing them and read them as what they are; objective scientifically backed facts




The overwhelming majority of the scientific and medical community is in direct opposition with what you are saying here.

You show how little understanding you have about ADD. I think you were the person giving anecdotes about how you were misdiagnosed and say because you are misdiagnosed ADD is not real.

The american medical association and at least 99.99% of doctors would tell you what you are saying is complete bullshit. ADD in your country and mine is recognized as a real disorder and has many symptoms not just one or two. You know nothing about this stuff. I will discuss these things with a medical professional who has studied  medicine for many years and has extensive qualifications instead of taking your word for it.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22228091 - 09/12/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also there is no debate within the medical community whether it is real or not.

You can have your opinion man but it is really just your uneducated opinion.

Here is a link from the NIMH (national institute of mental health) that talks about ADHD. In basically every medical association you can think of there is no debate about whether it is real.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder-adhd/index.shtml


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22228146 - 09/12/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Also there is no debate within the medical community whether it is real or not.

You can have your opinion man but it is really just your uneducated opinion.



1) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

Saying the medical community believes something is not adequate proof

the medical community recently discovered that saturated fat and cholesterol are healthy and the lipid hypothesis had no basis. In the 1800's they believed the earth was flat. I provided evidence, you are yet to counter it

2) You believe that ADHD is in fact an incurable disease for life. Please provide me proof for this claim

3) I am going to be a 4th year student at a high ranking university and one of my two majors is neurology. I have spent 5-10 years reading about ADHD as I struggled with it myself. Its not ADHD, its a lack of attention span


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
    #22228185 - 09/12/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

1. The medical community is not debating whether or not it is a real medical disorder.

Here are some symptoms of ADD

-“zoning out” without realizing it, even in the middle of a conversation
-extreme distractibility; wandering attention makes it hard to stay on track
-difficulty paying attention or focusing, such as when reading or listening to others
-struggling to complete tasks, even ones that seem simple
-tendency to overlook details, leading to errors or incomplete work
-poor listening skills; hard time remembering conversations and following directions

-poor organizational skills (home, office, desk, or car is extremely messy and cluttered)
-tendency to procrastinate
-trouble starting and finishing projects
-chronic lateness
-frequently forgetting appointments, commitments, and deadlines
-constantly losing or misplacing things (keys, wallet, phone, documents, bills)
-underestimating the time it will take you to complete tasks


-frequently interrupt others or talk over them
-have poor self-control
-blurt out thoughts that are rude or inappropriate without thinking
-have addictive tendencies
-act recklessly or spontaneously without regard for consequences
-have trouble behaving in socially appropriate ways (such as sitting still during a long meeting)

-sense of underachievement
-doesn’t deal well with frustration
-easily flustered and stressed out
-irritability or mood swings
-trouble staying motivated
-hypersensitivity to criticism
-short, often explosive, temper
-low self-esteem and sense of insecurity

-feelings of inner restlessness, agitation
-tendency to take risks
-getting bored easily
-racing thoughts
-trouble sitting still; constant fidgeting
-craving for excitement
-talking excessively
-doing a million things at once



It is not simply "not having good focus" or whatever it was you said.




Here are some myths and facts. A lot of these myths surprisingly are the same shit you were spewing.



MYTH: ADD/ADHD is just a lack of willpower. Persons with ADD/ADHD focus well on things that interest them; they could focus on any other tasks if they really wanted to.

FACT: ADD/ADHD looks very much like a willpower problem, but it isn’t. It’s essentially a chemical problem in the management systems of the brain.

MYTH: Everybody has the symptoms of ADD/ADHD, and anyone with adequate intelligence can overcome these difficulties.

FACT: ADD/ADHD affects persons of all levels of intelligence. And although everyone sometimes has symptoms of ADD/ADHD, only those with chronic impairments from these symptoms warrant an ADD/ADHD diagnosis.

MYTH: Someone can’t have ADD/ADHD and also have depression, anxiety, or other psychiatric problems.

FACT: A person with ADD/ADHD is six times more likely to have another psychiatric or learning disorder than most other people. ADD/ADHD usually overlaps with other disorders.

MYTH: Unless you have been diagnosed with ADD/ADHD as a child, you can’t have it as an adult.

FACT: Many adults struggle all their lives with unrecognized ADD/ADHD impairments. They haven’t received help because they assumed that their chronic difficulties, like depression or anxiety, were caused by other impairments that did not respond to usual treatment.



2. The medical community has currently found no cure for ADD. I am gonna side with them not some stranger on the internet.

3. Again, you do not have ADD you were misdiagnosed.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22228187 - 09/12/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I always wondered how people with add know that their brain and the way they think differs from someone who says they have a healthy brain.  I mean they can't just switch brains and be like yup mines fucked.  I know they run tests and stuff but how accurate can they be?  Maybe their brain chemistry is exactly the same just one can handle the obstacles of life and the other can't.  Well I suppose that's where the problem lies.  It seems like they use medication as a crutch.  It's not a bad thing, some people just need extra help I guess.  Hell I use drugs from time to time to unwind.

My step son was having behavior problems in school.  He is very intelligent, gets the best grades but he can't stop saying goofy things in school.  He's 7 now. We took him to a psychiatrist and right away he wanted to put him on add medication.  We said no way, isn't happening.  We took him to another doctor that diagnosed him with autism.  In my opinion and everyone else's that know him think he's just your average kid being an ornery kid.  But his mom continued to take him to that doctor and they've done some exercises with him and he has done much better in school.

It's completely insane how now a days you can go to a doctor and within 5 minutes they will prescribe you speed.  It's freaking nuts. Alot of doctors don't give a shit about their patients they just want those kickbacks for prescribing this or that and an easy fix that won't fix anything in the long run.  People didn't need these meds throughout the history of man and don't need them now.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22228212 - 09/12/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I always wondered how people with add know that their brain and the way they think differs from someone who says they have a healthy brain.  I mean they can't just switch brains and be like yup mines fucked.  I know they run tests and stuff but how accurate can they be?  Maybe their brain chemistry is exactly the same just one can handle the obstacles of life and the other can't.  Well I suppose that's where the problem lies.  It seems like they use medication as a crutch.  It's not a bad thing, some people just need extra help I guess.  Hell I use drugs from time to time to unwind.

My step son was having behavior problems in school.  He is very intelligent, gets the best grades but he can't stop saying goofy things in school.  He's 7 now. We took him to a psychiatrist and right away he wanted to put him on add medication.  We said no way, isn't happening.  We took him to another doctor that diagnosed him with autism.  In my opinion and everyone else's that know him think he's just your average kid being an ornery kid.  But his mom continued to take him to that doctor and they've done some exercises with him and he has done much better in school.

It's completely insane how now a days you can go to a doctor and within 5 minutes they will prescribe you speed.  It's freaking nuts. Alot of doctors don't give a shit about their patients they just want those kickbacks for prescribing this or that and an easy fix that won't fix anything in the long run.  People didn't need these meds throughout the history of man and don't need them now.




I had to get referred to a certified ADD doctor and had to do pretty much a half hour interview then a good twenty-thirty minute exam.

Again, lots of symptoms of different things overlap. Most disorders are really just a bunch of similar symptoms. Like bipolar is a list of symptoms that also cross over with anxiety or some type of manic disorder. Doctors are not perfect they do not always get it right from a five minute interview with their patient.

Modern psychiatry is not perfect, but unless you present something better then get over it already.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22228389 - 09/12/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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1. The medical community is not debating whether or not it is a real medical disorder.

Here are some symptoms of ADD

-“zoning out” without realizing it, even in the middle of a conversation
-extreme distractibility; wandering attention makes it hard to stay on track
-difficulty paying attention or focusing, such as when reading or listening to others
-struggling to complete tasks, even ones that seem simple
-tendency to overlook details, leading to errors or incomplete work
-poor listening skills; hard time remembering conversations and following directions

-poor organizational skills (home, office, desk, or car is extremely messy and cluttered)
-tendency to procrastinate
-trouble starting and finishing projects
-chronic lateness
-frequently forgetting appointments, commitments, and deadlines
-constantly losing or misplacing things (keys, wallet, phone, documents, bills)
-underestimating the time it will take you to complete tasks


-frequently interrupt others or talk over them
-have poor self-control
-blurt out thoughts that are rude or inappropriate without thinking
-have addictive tendencies
-act recklessly or spontaneously without regard for consequences
-have trouble behaving in socially appropriate ways (such as sitting still during a long meeting)

-sense of underachievement
-doesn’t deal well with frustration
-easily flustered and stressed out
-irritability or mood swings
-trouble staying motivated
-hypersensitivity to criticism
-short, often explosive, temper
-low self-esteem and sense of insecurity

-feelings of inner restlessness, agitation
-tendency to take risks
-getting bored easily
-racing thoughts
-trouble sitting still; constant fidgeting
-craving for excitement
-talking excessively
-doing a million things at once



It is not simply "not having good focus" or whatever it was you said.




Here are some myths and facts. A lot of these myths surprisingly are the same shit you were spewing.



MYTH: ADD/ADHD is just a lack of willpower. Persons with ADD/ADHD focus well on things that interest them; they could focus on any other tasks if they really wanted to.

FACT: ADD/ADHD looks very much like a willpower problem, but it isn’t. It’s essentially a chemical problem in the management systems of the brain.

MYTH: Everybody has the symptoms of ADD/ADHD, and anyone with adequate intelligence can overcome these difficulties.

FACT: ADD/ADHD affects persons of all levels of intelligence. And although everyone sometimes has symptoms of ADD/ADHD, only those with chronic impairments from these symptoms warrant an ADD/ADHD diagnosis.

MYTH: Someone can’t have ADD/ADHD and also have depression, anxiety, or other psychiatric problems.

FACT: A person with ADD/ADHD is six times more likely to have another psychiatric or learning disorder than most other people. ADD/ADHD usually overlaps with other disorders.

MYTH: Unless you have been diagnosed with ADD/ADHD as a child, you can’t have it as an adult.

FACT: Many adults struggle all their lives with unrecognized ADD/ADHD impairments. They haven’t received help because they assumed that their chronic difficulties, like depression or anxiety, were caused by other impairments that did not respond to usual treatment.



2. The medical community has currently found no cure for ADD. I am gonna side with them not some stranger on the internet.

3. Again, you do not have ADD you were misdiagnosed.



Every single one of those symptoms are basically being sort of scatter brained or not paying attention. I display those exact symptoms when I get stoned or drink too much coffee

And I never stated any of those facts or myths. I never stated it was lack of motivation or in peoples heads. Its a scattered mind. So doing things to center it could cure it. You never proved it COULD NOT be cured. In fact, many of my friends and relatives who took my advice about sleep, diet and meditation/neurofeedback all came back to me saying that those were the silver bullets for their so called "adhd". This is at least 3-5 different people in my family and friends who meditate and use neurofeedback. Every single person who took an approach to "healthy" living suggestions I mentioned noticed their ADHD disappear overnight

What proof do you have that I was misdiagnosed? I was born in an upper class family, and went to the most rigorous psychiatrsits in the area and my parents paid top dollar for them to run a multitude of scans and tests over the course of months. And what do you know? I had a scattered mind and couldn't pay attention. I was the shitiest student in the class my entire life. Sounds like ADHD to me

If anything, I have a faar greater likelehood of having "real" ADHD than you do. My diagnosis was much more in depth and was repeated over years. But none of that matters because this isnt a disease. Its a symptom of a scattered mind

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I always wondered how people with add know that their brain and the way they think differs from someone who says they have a healthy brain.  I mean they can't just switch brains and be like yup mines fucked.  I know they run tests and stuff but how accurate can they be?  Maybe their brain chemistry is exactly the same just one can handle the obstacles of life and the other can't.  Well I suppose that's where the problem lies.  It seems like they use medication as a crutch.  It's not a bad thing, some people just need extra help I guess.  Hell I use drugs from time to time to unwind.

My step son was having behavior problems in school.  He is very intelligent, gets the best grades but he can't stop saying goofy things in school.  He's 7 now. We took him to a psychiatrist and right away he wanted to put him on add medication.  We said no way, isn't happening.  We took him to another doctor that diagnosed him with autism.  In my opinion and everyone else's that know him think he's just your average kid being an ornery kid.  But his mom continued to take him to that doctor and they've done some exercises with him and he has done much better in school.

It's completely insane how now a days you can go to a doctor and within 5 minutes they will prescribe you speed.  It's freaking nuts. Alot of doctors don't give a shit about their patients they just want those kickbacks for prescribing this or that and an easy fix that won't fix anything in the long run.  People didn't need these meds throughout the history of man and don't need them now.




And BC; I could bump into the 5 scatter brained white girls in my hall at uni and explain those exact symptoms. It honestly describes the average american kid. If you pop molly weekly, text a lot, use social networks, and eat cafeteria food, (average college girl) your attention span will quickly diminish and you will resemble the symptoms you posted above

And DTCharlieB: Its because being scatter brained is a symptom of being in the 21st century. ADHD is no different than the average person. Some people have a more severe lack of attention, and some may have more serious brain damage from alcohol in the fetus. In those extreme situations its nessacary to take medication. And in regards to your psychiatry comments; I walked into a doctors office with serious illness and issues. They insisted I take anti-depressants. Months later I found out it was serious thyroid issues that could have caused complications had I not caught it. I think doctors mean well. But theres a big lesson to learn here

The big lesson everyone (especially BC) needs to take away here is that when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. When you have an array of powerful pharmaceutical tools, every solution seems so simple. But the truth is, your body is a complex system of biochemical systems trying to regulate itself.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
    #22228424 - 09/12/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Still, putting unregulated brain drugs into my system feels significantly scarier than downing a latte or a Red Bull—not least because the scientific research on nootropics’ long-term effects is still so thin. One 2014 study found that Ritalin, modafinil, ampakines, and other similar stimulants could eventually reduce the “plasticity” of some of the brain’s neural networks by providing them with too much dopamine, glutamate and norepinephrine, and potentially cause long-term harm in young people whose brains were still developing. (In fact, in young people, the researchers wrote, these stimulants could actually have the opposite effect the makers intended: “Healthy individuals run the risk of pushing themselves beyond optimal levels into hyperdopaminergic and hypernoradrenergic states, thus vitiating the very behaviors they are striving to improve.”)


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
    #22228507 - 09/12/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The american medical association and almost every doctor in America will gladly disagree with you.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
    #22228519 - 09/12/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Every single one of those symptoms are basically being sort of scatter brained or not paying attention. I display those exact symptoms when I get stoned or drink too much coffee

And I never stated any of those facts or myths. I never stated it was lack of motivation or in peoples heads. Its a scattered mind. So doing things to center it could cure it. You never proved it COULD NOT be cured. In fact, many of my friends and relatives who took my advice about sleep, diet and meditation/neurofeedback all came back to me saying that those were the silver bullets for their so called "adhd". This is at least 3-5 different people in my family and friends who meditate and use neurofeedback. Every single person who took an approach to "healthy" living suggestions I mentioned noticed their ADHD disappear overnight

What proof do you have that I was misdiagnosed? I was born in an upper class family, and went to the most rigorous psychiatrsits in the area and my parents paid top dollar for them to run a multitude of scans and tests over the course of months. And what do you know? I had a scattered mind and couldn't pay attention. I was the shitiest student in the class my entire life. Sounds like ADHD to me

If anything, I have a faar greater likelehood of having "real" ADHD than you do. My diagnosis was much more in depth and was repeated over years. But none of that matters because this isnt a disease. Its a symptom of a scattered mind



And BC; I could bump into the 5 scatter brained white girls in my hall at uni and explain those exact symptoms. It honestly describes the average american kid. If you pop molly weekly, text a lot, use social networks, and eat cafeteria food, (average college girl) your attention span will quickly diminish and you will resemble the symptoms you posted above

And DTCharlieB: Its because being scatter brained is a symptom of being in the 21st century. ADHD is no different than the average person. Some people have a more severe lack of attention, and some may have more serious brain damage from alcohol in the fetus. In those extreme situations its nessacary to take medication. And in regards to your psychiatry comments; I walked into a doctors office with serious illness and issues. They insisted I take anti-depressants. Months later I found out it was serious thyroid issues that could have caused complications had I not caught it. I think doctors mean well. But theres a big lesson to learn here

The big lesson everyone (especially BC) needs to take away here is that when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. When you have an array of powerful pharmaceutical tools, every solution seems so simple. But the truth is, your body is a complex system of biochemical systems trying to regulate itself.






I've been healthy, I've have a great diet with exercise and adequate sleep. And I was pretty happy to boot. I've gotten blood work and whatnot done before checking my mental state. I've grown up with a healthy sense of enthusiasm for most topics. I was a great student in school. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO FOCUS.

Everything was normal... ADHD Symptoms were still present.

Blah Blah Blah. I'm out.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22228528 - 09/12/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Every single one of those symptoms are basically being sort of scatter brained or not paying attention. I display those exact symptoms when I get stoned or drink too much coffee

And I never stated any of those facts or myths. I never stated it was lack of motivation or in peoples heads. Its a scattered mind. So doing things to center it could cure it. You never proved it COULD NOT be cured. In fact, many of my friends and relatives who took my advice about sleep, diet and meditation/neurofeedback all came back to me saying that those were the silver bullets for their so called "adhd". This is at least 3-5 different people in my family and friends who meditate and use neurofeedback. Every single person who took an approach to "healthy" living suggestions I mentioned noticed their ADHD disappear overnight

What proof do you have that I was misdiagnosed? I was born in an upper class family, and went to the most rigorous psychiatrsits in the area and my parents paid top dollar for them to run a multitude of scans and tests over the course of months. And what do you know? I had a scattered mind and couldn't pay attention. I was the shitiest student in the class my entire life. Sounds like ADHD to me

If anything, I have a faar greater likelehood of having "real" ADHD than you do. My diagnosis was much more in depth and was repeated over years. But none of that matters because this isnt a disease. Its a symptom of a scattered mind



And BC; I could bump into the 5 scatter brained white girls in my hall at uni and explain those exact symptoms. It honestly describes the average american kid. If you pop molly weekly, text a lot, use social networks, and eat cafeteria food, (average college girl) your attention span will quickly diminish and you will resemble the symptoms you posted above

And DTCharlieB: Its because being scatter brained is a symptom of being in the 21st century. ADHD is no different than the average person. Some people have a more severe lack of attention, and some may have more serious brain damage from alcohol in the fetus. In those extreme situations its nessacary to take medication. And in regards to your psychiatry comments; I walked into a doctors office with serious illness and issues. They insisted I take anti-depressants. Months later I found out it was serious thyroid issues that could have caused complications had I not caught it. I think doctors mean well. But theres a big lesson to learn here

The big lesson everyone (especially BC) needs to take away here is that when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. When you have an array of powerful pharmaceutical tools, every solution seems so simple. But the truth is, your body is a complex system of biochemical systems trying to regulate itself.






I've been healthy, I've have a great diet with exercise and adequate sleep. And I was pretty happy to boot. I've gotten blood work and whatnot done before checking my mental state. I've grown up with a healthy sense of enthusiasm for most topics. I was a great student in school. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO FOCUS.

Everything was normal... ADHD Symptoms were still present.

Blah Blah Blah. I'm out.



Have you tried neurofeedback is the real question? Meditation? Any sort of consistent deep breathing really
Im almost sure you and BC have no clue what it is. And without trying it, its quite silly to knock it

Its almost like no reads my posts or something...?

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The american medical association and almost every doctor in America will gladly disagree with you.



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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: pachoo]
    #22228552 - 09/12/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Go to any medical school in the United States and you will learn that ADD is real. Nobody with medical qualifications is even debating this in the field. Ask any doctor about ADD not one you will speak to will say it is not real.

Those symptoms all do not have to do with only being distracted. It has to do with risk taking, being impulsive, low self esteem, mood swings, under achievement.

You could make the same bullshit argument OP is making about any mental disorder. Being depressed is "just being sad", general anxiety disorder is "just being nervous all the time".

Any mental disorder is basically just a list of symptoms. Get the fuck over it. But for most people you can make a million changes to your life style and the issue is still there. That is why drugs and therapy is the best approach.

If you told my sister her depression is bullshit because the illness is "just being sad" and everyone gets sad I would tell her to knock you on your ass. You have so little understanding of mental disorders.

ADD is not being lazy and being distracted. Read the actual symptoms there is a whole list of things associated wit it. If you have ADD you are likely to get addicted to drugs, have unprotected sex and get pregnant accidently, you are likely to get more speeding tickets.

ADD is the same as any psychiatric disorder but to say it is bullshit is a huge slap in the face to science and the overwhelming majority (at least 99%) of doctors. You should tell them clinical depression and GAD are just being sad and anxious which means we are all clinically depressed and have GAD.

They would laugh at you and say how little you understand about these topics.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22228567 - 09/12/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Go to any medical school in the United States and you will learn that ADD is real. Nobody with medical qualifications is even debating this in the field. Ask any doctor about ADD not one you will speak to will say it is not real.

Those symptoms all do not have to do with only being distracted. It has to do with risk taking, being impulsive, low self esteem, mood swings, under achievement.

You could make the same bullshit argument OP is making about any mental disorder. Being depressed is "just being sad", general anxiety disorder is "just being nervous all the time".

Any mental disorder is basically just a list of symptoms. Get the fuck over it. But for most people you can make a million changes to your life style and the issue is still there. That is why drugs and therapy is the best approach.

If you told my sister her depression is bullshit because the illness is "just being sad" and everyone gets sad I would tell her to knock you on your ass. You have so little understanding of mental disorders.

ADD is not being lazy and being distracted. Read the actual symptoms there is a whole list of things associated wit it. If you have ADD you are likely to get addicted to drugs, have unprotected sex and get pregnant accidently, you are likely to get more speeding tickets.

ADD is the same as any psychiatric disorder but to say it is bullshit is a huge slap in the face to science and the overwhelming majority (at least 99%) of doctors. You should tell them clinical depression and GAD are just being sad and anxious which means we are all clinically depressed and have GAD.

They would laugh at you and say how little you understand about these topics.



https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

Like I said, I have three years of neuro classes under my belt and MANY in the field disagree on this topic. Its hotly debated and theres still a lot of questions about ADHD

And all of those symptoms and correlations are true of people who are scatter brained bro. You kind of are proving my point


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    #22228579 - 09/12/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not gonna argue this any more. I can't change your mind.

I just wanna say though my vyvanse prescription has been life changing and am happy I was diagnosed with ADD cause since I got proper treatment my life has already improved tremendously. I know you will call bullshit on that but for what it is worth my individual treatment really worked for me and I feel normal.


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    #22228583 - 09/12/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The overwhelming majority of the scientific and medical community is in direct opposition with what you are saying here.






They also agree that cannabis, psilocybin mushrooms, LSD, and MDMA have no accepted use in the medical field....

Doesn't matter what the majority thinks. The majority thought the sun revolved around the Earth at one point too...


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    #22228586 - 09/12/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I just wanna say though my vyvanse prescription has been life changing and am happy I was diagnosed with ADD cause since I got proper treatment my life has already improved tremendously. I know you will call bullshit on that but for what it is worth my individual treatment really worked for me and I feel normal.




LMAO what's normal?????


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Hebrews 11:3
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    #22228595 - 09/12/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The overwhelming majority of the scientific and medical community is in direct opposition with what you are saying here.






They also agree that cannabis, psilocybin mushrooms, LSD, and MDMA have no accepted use in the medical field....

Doesn't matter what the majority thinks. The majority thought the sun revolved around the Earth at one point too...




I thought there were a bunch of studies saying MDMA and psychedelics and weed have medical benefit.

That has to do with those drugs being illegal though. If those drugs were legal doctors would be able to do clinical trials and use them for medical treatment.


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