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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: bennylava] * 1
    #22227271 - 09/12/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Amele is such a good movie.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: cosmicg]
    #22227287 - 09/12/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have always been a smart guy. But before my ADD was treated I had so much trouble even getting basic tasks completed. I was one of those smart people that basically never got anywhere because of the ADD.

I think it's the reason I was addicted to meth a while ago. People with ADD are more likely to fuck up in life and abuse drugs and not get anywhere.

My belief is just like someone with clinical depression, a person with ADD cannot snap their fingers and make the problem go away. Even through lifestyle changes you still have these same issues that torment your life.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22227309 - 09/12/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you think you have a problem... you do... It's all in your head. People want you drugged up. You aren't diseased. You are dis-eased. There is no proof of add or depression or anxiety. It's all about control...



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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
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Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
    #22227314 - 09/12/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's all in your head Cacti.

Become one with me.

Leave your fragile shields behind.

Let it all go and let us be.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22227323 - 09/12/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think the supposed symptoms are far too broad to take at face value. If you analyze all of them you begin to see that it seems to be a collection of psychological disorders.. it's like ADD is some kind of catch all for "I don't know what the fuck, here's some pills." I do not think ADD is a legitimate diagnosis. In fact I think it's bullshit.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22227344 - 09/12/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

mmmmm speed sucks.

Would you give meth to your children?

I know a lot of parents who say yes.

We don't talk anymore.

Yes I have lost a lot of family connections due to this bullshit "mental illness".


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22227345 - 09/12/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its the same with depression and anxiety. If your significant other died 10 years ago and you still are upset about it, that is grounds for psyche drugs. It's indeed bullshit. My grandpa passed in 2012 and my grandmother is getting by but you can tell she is missing something. I would never dare suggest psyche drugs or therapy but others see it different. There is a pill for everything anymore.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: bennylava]
    #22227395 - 09/12/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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bennylava said:
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AroundtheSon said:
It has the capacity to screw up someone's entire life who has it.





This. A lot of people in this thread, and reading this thread, need to know this. It has screwed mine up, and it was through great pains and suffering that I came through in the end. I still fight it to this day, but in the end I'm the one who'll win, not the ADD.

To someone who doesn't have them, these symptoms described, sound like a mild irritation at most. Unless you have it, then its life altering. Its like how you take all your muscles for granted, until one of them quits working like it should, and starts causing pain. The whole body doesn't work right now, and you're whole range of motion and all your movements and your whole day is screwed up, as long as that one muscle is having problems. Same with ADD. Brain not working right = big life altering problem.




I didn't say this. I don't necessarily disagree, but I didn't say this.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Shiithead]
    #22227441 - 09/12/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
If you think you have a problem... you do... It's all in your head. People want you drugged up. You aren't diseased. You are dis-eased. There is no proof of add or depression or anxiety. It's all about control...






Oh gods help us now we're on to Scientology.

It's true that Psychology is based more on speculative discourse than quantitative measurements, but who is anybody to say what anyone else should or shouldn't do?  Some people find discourse helpful, some people find drugs helpful, some people think that producing manipulative propaganda to trick people into thinking what they want is helpful.  If you don't want to be part of the problem, mind your own fucking business and don't worry about other people's coping methods so long as they don't hurt you.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22227495 - 09/12/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Of course we are. Of course we are. This forum knows no bounds. We've got all manner of crack pottery here.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: bennylava]
    #22227645 - 09/12/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone could be diagnosed with ADD if someone looks hard enough.

Seems like some people just need an excuse to blame their failures on.

Nobody "needs" ADD medicine they want it.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: bennylava]
    #22227697 - 09/12/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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bennylava said:
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AroundtheSon said:
It has the capacity to screw up someone's entire life who has it.





This. A lot of people in this thread, and reading this thread, need to know this. It has screwed mine up, and it was through great pains and suffering that I came through in the end. I still fight it to this day, but in the end I'm the one who'll win, not the ADD.

To someone who doesn't have them, these symptoms described, sound like a mild irritation at most. Unless you have it, then its life altering. Its like how you take all your muscles for granted, until one of them quits working like it should, and starts causing pain. The whole body doesn't work right now, and you're whole range of motion and all your movements and your whole day is screwed up, as long as that one muscle is having problems. Same with ADD. Brain not working right = big life altering problem.





Oh that's was me who said that. Believe me I know. I really should be on medication but I try to handle it on my own. It's mainly when it's compiled with my ptsd and it just spirals.... really goes down hill.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22227701 - 09/12/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

God dammit Moon Rock is fucking right you plebs.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: DTCharlieB] * 1
    #22227718 - 09/12/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

God sometimes I wonder if I should find another forum to post in. You guys are so dense most of the time.

What the fuck else are doctors supposed to do? If you guys don't trust modern psychology and modern medicine give me a better alternative that will work for the millions of people in your country.

We do the best with what we have/ know.

If you want to treat your depression with drugs, go to a doctor. If you want to do it on your own that is your choice. If you want to try therapy do that.

ADD is real, depression is real, there are different ways to treat them so do what is best for you.


But to people with ADD and anxiety sometimes eating right or exercise is not enough. To call their suffering bullshit makes me furious honestly. I think we should combine medication and lifestyle changes to get the best outcome. But I believe for a lot of people you need a combination of both. Most people in the medical community agree with this statement.

Mushrooms are not the solution to everything. Are there improvements and progress that needs to be made in our understanding of human psychology and how to treat it? Of course. But everyone shut the fuck up this is the best thing we have right now. You can go to a herbalist if you want or just never visit a doctor. That is fine with me.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: cosmicg]
    #22227725 - 09/12/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Amelie is such a good movie.





Dang straight it is.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22227733 - 09/12/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well said BC. :thumbup:


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: pachoo]
    #22227810 - 09/12/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you are against medication, you can do it your way. Nobody is telling you to take an SSRI. Nobody is telling you to take a stimulant for your ADD.

The great thing about freedom is that you can do whatever you want. Whether or not you agree with the established medical consensus about how to treat these conditions makes no difference.

If something different works for you that is great as well. But to say that the suffering of millions can simply be changed by magically altering their outlook or soley relying on lifestyle changes really does piss me off.

OP has zero understanding of clinical depression and what it is like and acts like it is something that can be changed by just snapping your fingers and having a positive outlook. In my life I know this is absolutely so far from that truth and it sucks that OP thinks that way.

For people with anxiety, the same thing is true. If you want to deal with your anxiety by going to a pscyhologist, that is probably a good solution. However, for a lot of people having drugs to help them in combination with tools learnt through therapy is the best approach.

Do whatever works for you, but you guys are way out of line to discount the suffering of people with these disorders. Mushrooms do not cure everything, get over yourselves.

And ya, our knowledge about these disorders is always progressing and changing. But to act like you know more then doctors and know what everyone should do for their individual situation and disorders is a flawed way of thinking.


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22227826 - 09/12/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ADD is not real


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22227863 - 09/12/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh::llamastare:


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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22227874 - 09/12/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whatyougonnado:


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