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Bitter Cactus
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: zappaisgod]
#22223924 - 09/11/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If zoloft works for you congrats I am happy but to say it is the king ADD med is ridiculous. My add doc would never prescribe zoloft.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22224072 - 09/11/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You were diagnosed at a young age..... five years ago....
I'm siding with BC on this one. Yea alot of people are misdiagnosed. Yea alot of people blame lack of attention on add/adhd. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's not just because you can't pay attention. There are definitely other things at play. It's a race in your brain. Me thinks you were misdiagnosed and think you actually had it.
One thing I know is Adderall made me feel what I suspect 'normal' people to feel. Take that however you want.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: pachoo]
#22224099 - 09/11/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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pachoo said: You were diagnosed at a young age..... five years ago....
I'm siding with BC on this one. Yea alot of people are misdiagnosed. Yea alot of people blame lack of attention on add/adhd. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's not just because you can't pay attention. There are definitely other things at play. It's a race in your brain. Me thinks you were misdiagnosed and think you actually had it.
One thing I know is Adderall made me feel what I suspect 'normal' people to feel. Take that however you want.
I guarantee he was misdiagnosed. It is over diagnosed but at least in Canada they are making it harder to get a diagnosis. They don't hand addy out like candy anymore you need an official diagnosis and you have to do a test (at least that's how it worked for me).
I used to get home from school, procrastinate, take a nap, watch t.v., do a bunch of things just to avoid maybe thirty minutes of doing homework. It took me so long to be able to get something done.
Since being diagnosed and medicated I am calmer, able to do my school work with ease and my quality of life is way better.
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pachoo said: You were diagnosed at a young age..... five years ago....
I'm siding with BC on this one. Yea alot of people are misdiagnosed. Yea alot of people blame lack of attention on add/adhd. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's not just because you can't pay attention. There are definitely other things at play. It's a race in your brain. Me thinks you were misdiagnosed and think you actually had it.
One thing I know is Adderall made me feel what I suspect 'normal' people to feel. Take that however you want.
I guarantee he was misdiagnosed. It is over diagnosed but at least in Canada they are making it harder to get a diagnosis. They don't hand addy out like candy anymore you need an official diagnosis and you have to do a test (at least that's how it worked for me).
I used to get home from school, procrastinate, take a nap, watch t.v., do a bunch of things just to avoid maybe thirty minutes of doing homework. It took me so long to be able to get something done.
Since being diagnosed and medicated I am calmer, able to do my school work with ease and my quality of life is way better.
Yea I really try to look at it from both sides. I've been misdiagnosed with other things and for awhile I would think I did have it. But this was different and I'm 90% sure I really do have add/adhd since I was a child. Paying attention was always a problem but I adapted to just... multitasking different things at a time. As I'm writing this I just did three different other activities.
I'm glad medication is working out for you!! I found the calmness as well. It wasn't about being about to focus for me with adderall. My brain races so fast that on it... it was like a mental breather. Most of the time I feel like a gambling machine that hits jackpot. Ding! Ding! Ding!
Many therapists have thought I did have it but they always just started focusing on my childhood trauma. So I was never really diagnosed professionally though. But I did have pretty much every symptom with the tests they gave me. I was diagnosed as a child tho, but it was at the end of living with my father and then we moved with my mom. She didn't want us on meds. But I'm glad I wasn't brought up on medication.
Homework wasn't that big of a thing for me. I just started then did something else... homework again... the something else. I fell asleep in class alot or started fiddling with stuff under my desk... put glue on my hands and pull it off. Had dandelions from recess and picked the little petals one at a time. I fell asleep more in high school. But I listened but was thinking about a few other things as well. My teachers tried to test me and call me out when I had my head down but I always answered them correctly.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: pachoo] 1
#22224320 - 09/11/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly brother. I think people don't realize here that doctors are not perfect. All they have to base everything on is a short conversation with you and they go from there.
Solving psychiatric condition often is a process of trial and error. It has nothing to do with them tossing out random medications and hoping it works. People might just react differently to each medication and often times actually diagnosing what you really have in the first place is not as easy as you would think.
Is ADD a real medical disorder? Yes, absolutely. The overwhelming majority of the medical/ scientific community is in agreement over this. The fact that OP thinks sharing an anecdote about his misdiagnosis and posting a video disproves years of research and study is ridiculous. To tell someone with depression to "just be positive" is a slap in the face to depressed people who have made every change possible to be happy but yet wake up crying every day and don't understand why.
People with ADD can make lots of changes in their life style too and still suffer from their symptoms. We are not making this up. We are not lazy. We are suffering and deserve the proper treatment.
OP is very arrogant and misinformed on this topic and to us ADD sufferers it is a huge slap to the face. His lack of understanding and compassion for people suffering with this condition is hurtful and disrespectful.
People with ADD are more likely to drop out of college, lose their jobs/ get fired, abuse drugs, ect. It hurts your quality of life and needs to be addressed and to act like it does not exist is spreading misinformation about a real condition.
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Right on.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: pachoo] 1
#22224365 - 09/11/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right on.
Thanks dude. But yeah, it sucks for people to make fun of your condition and act like it is made up or just being lazy. They clearly do not understand what us ADD sufferers go through.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: pachoo]
#22224381 - 09/11/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't worry I got your back.
Thanks man. I really appreciate it.
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Sorry what? I wasn't paying attention.
jk jk!!
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: pachoo] 1
#22224394 - 09/11/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah man I got my diagnosis and finally got on the right drug and for OP to be so inconsiderate and act like what I am going through is not real really brought me down.
It's that exact same attitude that makes people with depression suffer. Telling them to snap out of it and just be happy really shows how little OP understands about this stuff.
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Yea it bothers me too. Positive changes in perception can def help but there's still an underlying neurological problem that can limit that.
What meds do you take if you don't mind me asking?
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: pachoo]
#22224441 - 09/11/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vyvanse 30mg a day.
I like it. Not sure if addy or dexedrine would be better though. You have ADD right what are you taking?
I took concerta before it and it sucked.
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ADHD can exist as a secondary condition to a major disease. When I had HCV i took adderall because i was in a brain fog constantly and had many symptoms of ADHD, including brain fog, confusion, inverted sleep pattern, lack of motivation, etc.. After being cured, those symptoms all vanished, and I can get by with little adderall, though it is still prescribed.
It results in liver disease from low-level hepatic encephalopathy (toxic chemical buildup in the brain) and can be seen in mri images of the brain as areas of echogenic densities that aren't seen in normal people.
Any number of nutritional deficiencies or imbalances could cause symptoms like ADD, for example, lack of certain minerals and B vitamins, etc, as well as organic diseases like hepatitis. A 'true' ADD is probably a genetic condition that causes some imbalance in a vitamin, neurotransmitter, or other unnoticed, low-level chemical imbalance that hasn't been discovered.
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I don't take anything. No health insurance. Dexedrine made me clench and feel really on edge. Adderall helped alot when I took it. I was interested in Vyvanse tho. My friend takes it for hers and says it works pretty well.
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zappaisgod said: There is an actual chemical cause of some depressions but it is way overdiagnosed for episodic sadness related to life events where sadness is a completely appropriate response.
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Bitter Cactus said: Exactly brother. I think people don't realize here that doctors are not perfect. All they have to base everything on is a short conversation with you and they go from there.
Solving psychiatric condition often is a process of trial and error. It has nothing to do with them tossing out random medications and hoping it works. People might just react differently to each medication and often times actually diagnosing what you really have in the first place is not as easy as you would think.
Is ADD a real medical disorder? Yes, absolutely. The overwhelming majority of the medical/ scientific community is in agreement over this. The fact that OP thinks sharing an anecdote about his misdiagnosis and posting a video disproves years of research and study is ridiculous. To tell someone with depression to "just be positive" is a slap in the face to depressed people who have made every change possible to be happy but yet wake up crying every day and don't understand why.
People with ADD can make lots of changes in their life style too and still suffer from their symptoms. We are not making this up. We are not lazy. We are suffering and deserve the proper treatment.
OP is very arrogant and misinformed on this topic and to us ADD sufferers it is a huge slap to the face. His lack of understanding and compassion for people suffering with this condition is hurtful and disrespectful.
People with ADD are more likely to drop out of college, lose their jobs/ get fired, abuse drugs, ect. It hurts your quality of life and needs to be addressed and to act like it does not exist is spreading misinformation about a real condition.
Ok now you are putting words in my mouth bro
At this point you are basically telling me that you can't pay attention and you claim that its a medical disorder that cant be cured when its really just your poor mental and physical health to blame. I never once said you are lazy. I empathize deeply with the struggles of young kids who can't get their brains to do what they need. But what you are doing is the equivalent of saying "I have a headache. Im going to call it a disorder and start smoking heroin to cure it". How about you go to the root of the issue?
Also; depression is part of life. To label everyone who is sad as depressed and give them heavy medication is stupidty at its finest. If one has experienced depression for years of their life and they have tried other more safe and natural approaches, than their depression is clearly deeply rooted in their biology and is not simply a "phase". I stated this all explicitly. Dont put words in my mouth
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22225472 - 09/12/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also; you still are yet to even disprove my point. There are kids who can't pay attention for various reasons and you are telling me that they have problems in life through correlational statistics. That proves nothing
At end of the day it is what it is; a bunch of people who can't pay attention and hence decide to take speed. Doesnt make them bad people. I guess the doctors mean well, and so do these kids. But its big pharma doing what it does best; business.
BC when you write papers for school do you just copy and paste the thesis for 5 pages? Fucking christ. Your logic is so poor. All you do is repeat that you are correct because mainstream science says its true. Its like arguing with my manic overemotional ex. I provided a counterpoint. Either argue against it. Or agree to disagree
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Bitter Cactus said: If zoloft works for you congrats I am happy but to say it is the king ADD med is ridiculous. My add doc would never prescribe zoloft.
Then you probably want to switch doctors. I doubt yours is a specialist. Whats his name and site? I already mentioned mine, Mike White of Joshua family Medicine. If he was, he'd be on the up and up about all the new techniques and research. Of course everyone's different, but hey. You never know who just might be one of those people like me, that it has a dramatic effect on.
Also did you miss the part where I said you're taking a very low dosage? I've never experienced a side effect. People taking it for depression are getting somewhere in the area of 75mg, to 200mg. 25mg for ADD is unlikely to warrant any of your expressed concerns. I'm sure someone could just start off with the 25mg tabs, and break em in half for the 12.5mg effect if they wanted. I do the 50, and break em for 25.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22226009 - 09/12/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You read a book and now that makes you an expert on the diagnosis as well? This seems like a doctor who has been around kids who were misdiagnosed, and then claimed it doesn't exist. Apparently most of the book claims majority of cases are, which alot of people believe is true. What about adult ADHD? What about the normalcy it actually can bring to people who are diagnosed? I really think you were misdiagnosed and somehow think you know what's up. To me, that whole book is just his opinion. Scientists have opinions as well, you know. In reality, no one knows for sure about anything. Also, what a attention-grabber with that book title. Yea let's look at the pharmaceutical company, but let's also look at the book industry!! I bet he sold so many books with that title alone.
Here's an opinion/proof of another doctor, who has the disorder and has been in the field for over 30 years...
ADHD in the media. The good, the bad, and the ridiculous
Here's an opinion about the damn book with someone who has adult ADHD..
Don't Tell me "ADHD Does Not Exist"
Here's some actual scientific proof of ADD/ADHD
Neurological Basis of ADHD
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: pachoo]
#22226046 - 09/12/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Researchers are finding that many of the known "disorders" are actually due to deficits in Executive Functioning! Read up
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