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topdog82
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bennylava said: You people...
you people? what is that supposed to mean, "you people"?
i may be slicker then a bilge-rat but i ain't no "you people". 
he means black people like you
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topdog82
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bennylava said: You people...
You can go to your hippy island where everyone with mental disorders eats mushrooms and meditates and it all goes away.
In the real world, stimulants are the best treatment for ADD. It is not just being distracted. There is a thorough process and an evaluation that must take place that goes over a broad list of different situations and symptoms you might have to get a proper diagnosis.
ADD is just as legitimate as any other mental disorder. If you are like topdog and think no mental disorder is real and people with clinical depression should just be happy then you can subscribe to that idea but the entire medical and scientific community agrees that these disorders are real and require and evaluation and treatment from a medical professional and not some guy on the internet that says he has the cure.
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Bitter Cactus said: He is saying you people because saying ADD is real condition here and trusting modern medicine is like the biggest sin you can commit.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22240827 - 09/15/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Depression is not real, ADD is not real, bipolar is not real."
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Bitter Cactus said: He is saying you people because saying ADD is real condition here and trusting modern medicine is like the biggest sin you can commit.
I'm afraid you've got the wrong guy. I was the one telling you to try zoloft in 25mg.
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topdog82
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Bitter Cactus said: "Depression is not real, ADD is not real, bipolar is not real." 
"vyvanse is the cure for cancer and the meaning of life"-BC
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22240849 - 09/15/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You would have to put a gun to my head to make me take zoloft. STFU about that stuff man I don't care about zoloft.
Vyvanse is a dope med though it is like a nice little mini tweak every day it is great for school. I only take 30mg and do at least five hours of home work a day.
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i would like to get Vyvanse. heard good things. not too speedy i gather?
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Doctors love to dish out vyvanse over stuff like addy or dexedrine. For it to be active it has to go through your metabolism so I am still waiting for it to kick in.
Once it goes through the metabolism it is the exact same chemical as dexedrine. Dexedrine is addy without all the levo shit so it is a great med. Concerta oddly enough did nothing for me and felt horrible.
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Ritalin is def generally subpar to vyvanse and addy. euphoria and focuswise. Drugs are very subjective so try both
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Bitter Cactus said: Doctors love to dish out vyvanse over stuff like addy or dexedrine. For it to be active it has to go through your metabolism so I am still waiting for it to kick in.
Once it goes through the metabolism it is the exact same chemical as dexedrine. Dexedrine is addy without all the levo shit so it is a great med. Concerta oddly enough did nothing for me and felt horrible.
Methylphenidate is a shitty feeling drug. Cocaine without the high.
but yeah, Vyvanse is basically like PG Adderall, i presume. i am going to see if i can get some.
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BC; Have you tried kratom for ADHD? Certain strains are stimulating. IMO one of the best drugs of all time. Its euphoria is generally shitty compared to say codiene. But its much easier on the body and gives me a productive edge. Thats what makes kratom special. So casual and so free of side effects
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
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Kratom is effective for ADHD but the tolerance sets in and it becomes more of a dependence that you need to do anything rather then something that is really benefiting you.
The positive effects are great at first but they go away and it is just using it to get by so it sucks for ADD long term.
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Bitter Cactus said: Kratom is effective for ADHD but the tolerance sets in and it becomes more of a dependence that you need to do anything rather then something that is really benefiting you.
The positive effects are great at first but they go away and it is just using it to get by so it sucks for ADD long term.
Lol like I said ADHD isnt an illness in my eyes
But general advice; You could switch between vyvanse and kratom? One week per drug?
I did this and so did moonshoe with etizolam and kratom. I did this with different nootropics, I did this with modafinil and vyvanse. Picking two fairly saf eand harmless drugs and switching between them stops the dependence and tolerance build up
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22240960 - 09/15/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also; the next day I use kratom I feel "dry" and burnt out. This feeling goas away if I use more kratom. As such, I sometimes used to binge on kratom for 2 weeks on end. This way I coul enjoy the positive s with no comedown. Then just designate a day to "comedown"
Any advice on this? You are generally experienced with kratom
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22240969 - 09/15/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have taken kratom probably over 1500 times.
It is very effective for ADD, but I find the physical dependence I get from it takes away from the benefits. After a while I need it to go about my day and without it I can't do anything. It effects my sleep with a dependence to and the half life is short.
I don't see myself being able to switch between the two and get good results. Dose per dose the vyvanse is more effective to get shit done then kratom by quite a bit in my eyes.
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Bitter Cactus said: I have taken kratom probably over 1500 times.
It is very effective for ADD, but I find the physical dependence I get from it takes away from the benefits. After a while I need it to go about my day and without it I can't do anything. It effects my sleep with a dependence to and the half life is short.
I don't see myself being able to switch between the two and get good results. Dose per dose the vyvanse is more effective to get shit done then kratom by quite a bit in my eyes.
How many years lol? That's a shitton of kratom
But aye your call man. Do what works for you
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22241026 - 09/15/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A few years on and off. I have gone through like 6 or 7 kilograms probably. Actually maybe less idk.
-------------------- Taking acid and thinking you are a better man is a lot different then actually becoming a better man.
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topdog82
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Bitter Cactus said: A few years on and off. I have gone through like 6 or 7 kilograms probably. Actually maybe less idk.

Lol I don't blame you. Besides psyches, it's one of my fav drugs. Ahead of weed in many ways
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Bitter Cactus said: You would have to put a gun to my head to make me take zoloft. STFU about that stuff man I don't care about zoloft.
Vyvanse is a dope med though it is like a nice little mini tweak every day it is great for school. I only take 30mg and do at least five hours of home work a day.
You're just like those "war on drugs" people. I think you're on the wrong website. Drugs are baaaad, mkaaay?
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22242097 - 09/15/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: "Depression is not real, ADD is not real, bipolar is not real." 
"vyvanse is the cure for cancer and the meaning of life"-BC
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