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Bitter Cactus
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If you guys have a better solution then what modern medicine has for these disorders, start your own medical school and teach your ideas there.
Honestly disorders really are a list of symptoms put together to classify specific behaviors that adversely effect your life. That is really the best system we have and if you have a better one then you should start your own practice.
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LSDreamer said: Was assessed by professionals. It sounds like he had a full neuropsych evaluation based on what he said, and that is very thorough testing.
For ADD or just everything in general? I must have missed it my bad. 
Based on what he said, it sounds like he would have taken a full evaluation, which is basically an assessment that tests for a variety of things. I took one when I was 18 to get a documented ADD diagnosis for college purposes. Shit is thorough. It even flagged me as being at risk for substance abuse, before I abused substances. So, yeah. It's a multi-day process that requires a professional to administer.
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specialpeopleclub said: The shktty professionals who thinkthey have the brains to get in your head are part of the problem. They have all been morons in my experiance, despite their 'education'. Westernmental analusis is fucking disgusting, pathetic
Any time someone says "Western" or "Allopathic" medicine, you know they're full of shit.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22233798 - 09/13/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We need standardised neurologica; tests or something, untill then psychology should be considered like a liberal arts degree, not a science degree
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Bitter Cactus said: If you guys have a better solution then what modern medicine has for these disorders, start your own medical school and teach your ideas there.
Honestly disorders really are a list of symptoms put together to classify specific behaviors that adversely effect your life. That is really the best system we have and if you have a better one then you should start your own practice.
I think people who do things like deny modern medicine and use homeopathy and reiki are people who have a very intuitive thinking style. They place great significance on what "feels" right or true. This is opposed to people who have a more analytical thinking style that places less significance on intuition and more significance on analysis.
As such, I'm not really sure it's possible to bring around many of these people. It turns out that reality is very counter-intuitive. Our intuition is just good enough to keep us alive. So, you're not very likely to convince someone who thinks intuitively with something like a research study.
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The system modern psychology has in place is not perfect, but for a lot of people including myself the results have been life changing.
Since I got my script I signed up for school and got accepted and am studying hard daily for my bachelor of commerce. Before I would leave everything to last minute and get frustrated and now I am able to achieve my goals at the level of my intelligence.
Most people with ADD are smart, but their brains are all over the place and cannot use that potential.
But ya, if you want to take mushrooms for your ADD that might work as well. The best thing we have for people with ADD is stimulants. Everyone benefits from stimulants, but only people with ADD require them. Just like we would all be better off with an anxiety script, but only people with really ADD require it.
If you have cancer and think smoking weed will be more effective then chemotherapy to kill the cancer cells, you can do that but I am going to go with the chemo and smoke weed for the nausea but not to actually kill the cancer.
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I would go for recovery methods and research the effecasy of my chemo, as chemo alone doesmt have a huge effect on outcome. I also thing most, though not all, cancsrs are a product of toxic western livimg where we ignpre our physical body
My experiance with psychologists and psychiatrists has been completely aweful, and any progress I made on my problems has come from hard work I did myself on mu mimd, not some acedemic cunt that emnarasses himself with inane questioms and tests that show nothing. If they helped you, then good for you
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Pretty sure the most proven treatment to actually kill the cancer cells is chemo.
I already argued this before, but there is no proof in clinical studies that weed actually cures any type of cancer. They have studies done with mice in petri dishes that show the THC kills the cancer cells but there is no proof it will actually do anything to cure the cancer in people besides manage symptoms.
Chemo is the best bet. The people that do alternative methods are putting their life at risk because chemo is proven to be the most effective way to fight the cancer despite the side effects.
My experience with psychologists have been amazing and much more helpful to make changes in my life and move forward. People always say psychedelics are tools for them to make positive changes but I found psychologists far more effective.
Psychiatrists, like my ADD psych are usually more about having a short convo and assessing how your treatment is going rather then talking out life problems in detail. They both have uses.
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I would imagine the majority of people who end up saying psychology is bullshit were people who went in never intending to be compliant in the first place. That said, if your psychologist isn't doing some form of cognitive-behavioral therapy or mindfulness training with you, you're probably wasting your time and money. I've heard there are some neofreudians out there, and I would seriously doubt the effectiveness of that approach, especially when compared with CBT and Mindfulness.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22234036 - 09/13/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have to spend the rest of your life on meds you are not cured. You are being treated. Sometimes the treatment is effective. Sometimes it isn't. But you aren't cured. Being cured means you don't need the dope anymore.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: zappaisgod]
#22234051 - 09/13/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is no cure for any mental disorder that I am aware of. If you could cure schizophrenia or ADD or any mental disorder you would be a billionaire.
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Yep. All they can do is manage them. Sometimes.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: zappaisgod]
#22234063 - 09/13/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Topdog has the cure for ADD though I am surprised he has not written a best selling book or sold his information to someone for a massive sum of money.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: zappaisgod]
#22234085 - 09/13/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If you have to spend the rest of your life on meds you are not cured. You are being treated. Sometimes the treatment is effective. Sometimes it isn't. But you aren't cured. Being cured means you don't need the dope anymore.
Duh. Obviously. Also, drugs like Wellbutrin and Lamictal aren't dope.
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Bitter Cactus said: Topdog has the cure for ADD though I am surprised he has not written a best selling book or sold his information to someone for a massive sum of money.
Cut the guy some slack. He's not TOO far off. If you want to shit talk someone, make it that guy who literally said every person with a mental disorder is either lying or weak.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22234113 - 09/13/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya this whole thread just frustrated me lol
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
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Did the doctor that came up with this "ADD" not admit on his death bed that it was not real?
I believe in medication as i myself suffer from anxiety and depression. But I am not happy about taking the meds. And really all they did was lead me straight into the hellish benzo situation find myself in today.
This is all completely my fault for abusing these drugs.
I know depression is real because I have physically felt it. Bone crushing I don't want to do anything but lay in bed type feeling. I have felt what it's like to have an anxiety attack , heart jumping out of my chest sure that I was going to die.
Everyone is going to get shit done on Adderal, Concerta, vyvanse, etc. Procrastination is normal for a lot of people. Does that mean they all have ADD?
It isn't real. These drugs should not be given to toddlers! These kinds of parents are naive and it makes me sick to even think about. Way to make your kid an addict before they can even think for themselves.
But yeah BC, if it helps you I won't argue your case. We all have the freedom to make our own choices in life.
But I don't believe in ADD/ADHD.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: cosmicg]
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We all get distracted but that does not mean we have ADD dude. Everyone benefits from xanax for anxiety, but we are not all prescribed xanax.
We all benefit from stimulants for attention, but we are not all prescribed adderall. In order to be diagnosed with ADD you need to go through an evaluation. It does not just mean being distracted sometimes.
Do they really give adderall to toddlers though? They aren't even in school yet.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: LSDreamer]
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zappaisgod said: If you have to spend the rest of your life on meds you are not cured. You are being treated. Sometimes the treatment is effective. Sometimes it isn't. But you aren't cured. Being cured means you don't need the dope anymore.
Duh. Obviously. Also, drugs like Wellbutrin and Lamictal aren't dope.
I call all drugs dope. It is a generic term to me. It doesn't just mean opiates. Sorry if there was some confusion in terminology.
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This is ridiculous. It's in the DSM. End of fucking story. Nobody posting on the goddamn motherfucking Shroomery has the knowledge or authority to contradict the DSM.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: zappaisgod]
#22234306 - 09/13/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If you have to spend the rest of your life on meds you are not cured. You are being treated. Sometimes the treatment is effective. Sometimes it isn't. But you aren't cured. Being cured means you don't need the dope anymore.
Duh. Obviously. Also, drugs like Wellbutrin and Lamictal aren't dope.
I call all drugs dope. It is a generic term to me. It doesn't just mean opiates. Sorry if there was some confusion in terminology.
Do what you will, but doing that contributes to the stigmatization of mental illness.
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