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topdog82
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ADHD does not exist... 2
#22223468 - 09/11/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just for the record; I am only entering this conversation again because zappa is arguing. BC's unscientific mind is too much to deal with
I was diagnosed with ADHD from a young age, and always flunked through classes. I have effectively cured myself from ADHD. I know because I currently have 0 problems paying attention
As the video above shows, ADHD is NOT a disorder. ADHD is merely a lack of ability to pay attention. For example; you go to a doctor and say you have a cough. He doesnt diagnose you with a "cough". He will diagnose you with the "flu". And as such, a lack of attention isn't a disease. It is a symptom of a dysfunction somewhere in the body/mind
For example, I spent more of my ADHD years eating chips and cookies. The imbalance of omega3/omega6 fatty acid could more than likely have caused neurological dysfunction. In addition, both neurofeedback and meditation both have cured me and many of my friends of their lack of attention. In addition, a clean dieting and sleeping regiment helped as well
I took a doctor mandated test 5 years ago (When I was diagnosed with ADHD). I went for a checkup with the same "expert" many years later, the test revealed I was completely normal, and even above average. I haven't touched adderall or ritalin in about 2-3 years. I am getting A's and B's in school
BC; you cant eat 1 meal a day of juice and cookies, have no excercise, not try neurofeedback, drink tons of coffee daily, take adderall, and then complain that you have ADHD. This isn't rocket science
Obviously, for some people, the cause of the symptom known as "ADHD" is unknown. But in most cases, it CAN be solved. If ALL possible attempts for a natural cure are attempted, then adderall is a fine temporary solution
I posted this in another thread. But here it is. I wanted a separate thread for this discussion
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82] 2
#22223485 - 09/11/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Both Canada and US consider ADD a real disorder.
You are not a medical professional and you have no qualifications to make these claims. /thread
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Bitter Cactus said: Both Canada and US consider ADD a real disorder.
You are not a medical professional and you have no qualifications to make these claims. /thread
thanks for addressing my points sir
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22223496 - 09/11/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm going to repost this in here cause I think its extremely valuable. I'm also going to look into your methods, as it would be nice to not have to use Zoloft. I'm currently cycled off of it for the rest of the year, and it would be nice not to have to go back on.
Anyway
There is something of a cure for ADD. I've had it since I was a child and its had a big impact on my life.
SSRIs. Zoloft pretty much banished my ADD. I know normalcy now. Whatever my problem is, its definitely seratonin related. No question.
Unfortunately, SSRI's have their own baggage, but at the low dosage needed to get rid of MY a.d.d, its not really much of a problem. 25mg taken at the same time every day, kills my ADD completely. I become... something better. My college classes just aren't all that bad anymore, as I can actually get the work over with. I can't even mention all the positive effects its had on my life. That's just how it affects me.
This is something my A.D.D specialist Doc recommended as something of a new treatment of A.D.D. Dr. Mike White of Joshua Family Medicine, if you want to look him up.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22223503 - 09/11/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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BC: Just for the record; witchcraft was seen as a very serious issue. And as we know today its false. Similarly, saying something is true simply because the popular belief indicates it to be true is silliness
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: bennylava]
#22223507 - 09/11/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bennylava said: Also there is something of a cure for ADD. I've had it since I was a child and its had a big impact on my life.
SSRIs. Zoloft pretty much banished my ADD. I know normalcy now. Whatever my problem is, its definitely seratonin related. No question.
Unfortunately, SSRI's have their own baggage, but at the low dosage needed to get rid of MY a.d.d, its not really much of a problem. 25mg taken at the same time every day, kills my ADD completely. I become... something better. My college classes just aren't all that bad anymore, as I can actually get the work over with. I can't even mention all the positive effects its had on my life. That's just how it affects me.
This is something my A.D.D specialist Doc recommended as something of a new treatment of A.D.D. Dr. Mike White of Joshua Family Medicine, if you want to look him up.
feel free to live your life mate. Im simply stating you could cure it by other means rather than treat it with drugs
but you do you!
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82] 2
#22223519 - 09/11/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The DSM manual is a fucking joke and at least half of it is a bunch of bullshit designed to generate revenue for the psychiatric and psychological community of general frauds. http://www.sciencemag.org/content/349/6251/aac4716
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: zappaisgod]
#22223526 - 09/11/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The DSM manual is a fucking joke and at least half of it is a bunch of bullshit designed to generate revenue for the psychiatric and psychological community of general frauds. http://www.sciencemag.org/content/349/6251/aac4716
seriously BC. You kinda lost the arguement on this one at this point. things really arent stacking up in your benefit
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Bitter Cactus said: Both Canada and US consider ADD a real disorder.
You are not a medical professional and you have no qualifications to make these claims. /thread
Both of those countries have been adamant that cannabis having no medical value for decades yet recently did the US federally acknowledge that it has many benefits including anti-cancer properties.
Just because a government says something that doesn't make it a good argument in favour of their bias.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22223538 - 09/11/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP your anecdote about your experience with ADD does not mean ADD does not exist.
I am going to ask you to go to medical school and become a doctor before making these claims.
The medical community, as in doctors, in your country and mine are in agreement that this condition exists and must be treated.
You can debate that all you want but the scientific community overwhelmingly disagrees with you.
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They want to get paid. I do think they want to help people in general but they invent a lot of bullshit. Being too fucking smart for the school you're in does not mean you are ADD but that is what they would have fucked me with.
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Bitter Cactus said: OP your anecdote about your experience with ADD does not mean ADD does not exist.
I am going to ask you to go to medical school and become a doctor before making these claims.
The medical community, as in doctors, in your country and mine are in agreement that this condition exists and must be treated.
You can debate that all you want but the scientific community overwhelmingly disagrees with you.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18090099-adhd-does-not-exist the author of this book was a practitioner for about 50 years working with ADHD children
You are yet to dispute my claim. I made a claim, I provided evidence. Saying something is believed to be true by the community is not grounds to say it is false/true People thought cigarettes were healthy. Well what do you know? They weren't
All I'm asking of you is one tiny measily piece of counterpoint or evidence that disproves my claim. Just one reasonable counterpoint is all
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And treated with what? They have no fucking clue. They guess and throw shit against the wall to see what sticks. That is not science. It is roulette.
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: zappaisgod]
#22223575 - 09/11/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ADD medication has been proven to be effective for treating the symptoms of ADD. It is no cure but it is the best we can get.
I don't need to do research and prove to you it is real. The medical community is not even debating this issue. ADD/ADHD are both real issues that effect people and require treatment.
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zappaisgod said: And treated with what? They have no fucking clue. They guess and throw shit against the wall to see what sticks. That is not science. It is roulette.
No Zappa. Its business
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Bitter Cactus said: ADD medication has been proven to be effective for treating the symptoms of ADD. It is no cure but it is the best we can get.
I don't need to do research and prove to you it is real. The medical community is not even debating this issue. ADD/ADHD are both real issues that effect people and require treatment.
So? Headaches can be cured with fucking heroin? it doesn't prove headaches are a disease?
"I get high when I smoke weed. Therefore I must have glaucoma and cancer!"
I never said that people can't lack attention. But lacking attention is a sign of an unhealthy body/mind. It is not some disease
We haven't found any physiological basis for it. There is not physiological test. What does that tell you?
Please address my original points BC
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22223591 - 09/11/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: As the video above shows, ADHD is NOT a disorder. ADHD is merely a lack of ability to pay attention. For example; you go to a doctor and say you have a cough. He doesnt diagnose you with a "cough". He will diagnose you with the "flu". And as such, a lack of attention isn't a disease. It is a symptom of a dysfunction somewhere in the body/mind
is the flu a disease?
I went to the doctor, he diagnosed me with bronchitis, I wasnt there for the cough, that was from working in welding and smoking, I didnt give a fuck about the cough, I wanted to know about the issues with my gut, it also wasnt the flu
now, you say that ADD/ADHD isnt a disorder, that it's the lack of ability to pay attention, let me ask you a question, could you pay attention when you decided to pay attention? was it something that you could control? isnt a dysfunction actually a disorder?
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82] 1
#22223597 - 09/11/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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HOW ELSE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SELL AMPHETAMINES TO KIDS!?
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: Salomon]
#22223599 - 09/11/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Salomon said: HOW ELSE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SELL AMPHETAMINES TO KIDS!?
you dont have to sell drugs to kids, they'll be buying them soon enough
psychiatry is about selling parents on the idea of drugging their kids
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topdog82 said: As the video above shows, ADHD is NOT a disorder. ADHD is merely a lack of ability to pay attention. For example; you go to a doctor and say you have a cough. He doesnt diagnose you with a "cough". He will diagnose you with the "flu". And as such, a lack of attention isn't a disease. It is a symptom of a dysfunction somewhere in the body/mind
is the flu a disease?
I went to the doctor, he diagnosed me with bronchitis, I wasnt there for the cough, that was from working in welding and smoking, I didnt give a fuck about the cough, I wanted to know about the issues with my gut, it also wasnt the flu
now, you say that ADD/ADHD isnt a disorder, that it's the lack of ability to pay attention, let me ask you a question, could you pay attention when you decided to pay attention? was it something that you could control?
NO. I flunked school and barely passed many classes despite trying very hard
But in that same manner, with the right tools (like neurofeedback technology and similar scientifically backed brain training) we can remove that issue
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Bitter Cactus said: ADD medication has been proven to be effective for treating the symptoms of ADD. It is no cure but it is the best we can get.
I don't need to do research and prove to you it is real. The medical community is not even debating this issue. ADD/ADHD are both real issues that effect people and require treatment.
BC; Another counterpoint. Your telling me that basically we have kids who can't pay attention, and then speed helped them focus?
 thats mindblowing science bro. I never knew speed could help people focus!
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Re: ADHD does not exist... [Re: topdog82]
#22223618 - 09/11/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im still waiting patiently for BC to disprove my claim...
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