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shroomkingdomsc


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ACRB EXTRACTION QUESTIONS/ CONCERNS
#22222826 - 09/11/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey there, so im pretty knew to DMT extraction and have been following joshisom's A/B tek almost to T. I completed my first extraction with 100g of powdered acacia confusa root bark and had about a 1.3% yield, probably 60/30 NMT/DMT which i was very proud of for a first extraction. It is a very gooey texture, much like THC concentrate. When put in the fridge, it appears to solidify, looking like pale yellow crystals. For this extraction i used Ronsonol lighter fluid, and it seemed to work fine.
For this extraction I have a question about room temp precipitation. According to the tek, crystals should precipitate out at room temp, but after 12 hours and nothing, i put in the freezer and crystals started forming immediately. Is there anything to be done to encourage room temp precipitation besides just having an over saturated solvent?
Another general question about this tek, Should you re add lye every time you do a pull? its pretty vague in this tek.
OK second part. Im currently finishing off my second extraction with 250g of bark, using VM&P Naphtha. The first pull was incredible, with crystals crashing out almost immediately after transferring into a crystallization jar. After waiting 12 hours and straining the crystals, i put in the freezer and precipitated more crystals for 24 hours, I yielded around a gram, about half a brown, crumbly texture, and half tan goo.
Feeling hopeful, I began another pull but this time, nothing precipitated at room temperature, but after freezing, i yielded about .6 grams, 50/50 goo, brown crumble. this was ok, but i was wondering why nothing precipitated at room temp like the first pull.
Now this is where i got worried. After having the third pull crystallizing for 24 hours in the freezer, i yielded a very negligible amount what looks like yellow crystals. maybe 75 mg or less, its currently drying.
Im worried why this yield is so low?, i re added lye (~30g)for the third pull and im thinking that it may have destroyed the product. Should you re add lye for every pull? Im afraid to go for another pull until I can figure out whats going on. I would like to have at least a 1 percent yield.
Also trying to perfect getting larger crystals and tips on that would help.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! I will post pictures of what ive yielded in a bit.
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ONE OZ SLUG
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1.3% yield on ACRB is fantastic. My first time I got ~.57%.
As for part 1 I've never heard of crystals precipitating at room temperature, unless you mean to dry out your solvent and scrape up the goo... If you were to to do FASA (Fumaric Acid Saturated Acetone) extraction, you can get DMT Fumarate that way, but it's not going to be freebase DMT.
As for part 2: I wouldn't be concerned with adding too much lye. Adding too much acid would generally decompose the alkaloids (so I've read). Perhaps you didn't use enough naphtha when pulling the alkaloids out. I did a 350g extraction using only 50ml naptha for my pulls and only got 689mg total with 5 pulls 
You don't need to add lye for every pull.
As for getting perfect crystals, with ACRB an extra step is needed. You would need to Recrystalize. Folks at the Nexus recommend you use xylene or something other than naptha, but naptha itself should give satisfying results.
Hope this helps, I'm relatively new to extractions myself and this has been more or less a composition of my experiences and what I've read on Nexus
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thehoff117
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Re: ACRB EXTRACTION QUESTIONS/ CONCERNS [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#22224212 - 09/11/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try leaving your crystalization container in a dark, cool spot for the room temp pull.
You got a pretty decent yeild though. Did you re-use the same naptha? During my pre-extraction research, i read that naptha should be reused. The logic being that the other solvents in the naptha will remain in the naptha, that way only dmt and nmt are pulled.
Did you make sure to keep your root bark solution warm with a double boiler while pulling? This helps with super saturating the naptha.
For larger crystals, super saturate your recrystalization solution, get it as warm as you feel comfortable, and then put it in a pot of hot water with a lid on it. This forces the solution to cool super slowly, the slower it cools, the larger the crystals.
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shroomkingdomsc


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Re: ACRB EXTRACTION QUESTIONS/ CONCERNS [Re: thehoff117]
#22226939 - 09/12/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I made sure that it was very hot the whole time i was shaking the jar, i had it at near boiling. Im concerned because only the first and second pulls yielded a decent amount. After nothing from the third pull, i decided to pour off the naphtha to evaporate and see if anything comes out, in the mean time im going to re add probably around 200 ml naphtha to the solution for the fourth pull and hope for the best. im hoping to get at least a 1 percent yield from this extraction.
Ive normally been re using naphtha but we'll see what happens this time.
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Edited by shroomkingdomsc (09/12/15 12:41 PM)
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thehoff117
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I re-used the same naptha 3 times, but on the 3rd pull i also did a pull with fresh naptha to compare yeilds. The fresh naptha actually yeilded more, but that may have been because i made minor errors in the first 2 pulls.
You should be fine with the fresh naptha either way though.
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shroomkingdomsc


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Re: ACRB EXTRACTION QUESTIONS/ CONCERNS [Re: thehoff117]
#22232177 - 09/13/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So after evaporating after the third pull, the naphtha yielded another disappointing amount, maybe 100mg at most of goo, and after a fourth pull with fresh naphtha i got absolutely nothing in the freezer . idk what could be going on, other than maybe i somehow just extracted everything in the first 2 pulls. but 1.6 grams from 250 of acacia seems rather strange considering i got a decent yield the first time, with lower quality solvent and more mistakes (that i can think of). Though the amount of acidic solution pulled after boiling was a lot less than anticipated, maybe 350ml, the tek recommends 600, maybe that has something to do with it.
-------------------- “Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behaviour and information processing. They open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong.” ― Terence McKenna
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