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InvisibleKurt
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Krishnamurti; Pathlessness.
    #22222486 - 09/11/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. ... The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth"

Jiddu Krishnamurti

Has anyone developed any interest in Jiddu Krishnamurti...?

I lived in Ojai California for a couple years, visited the foundation there a few times, and met some pretty cool peopleWe didn't really hit on Krishnamurti much, but we ended up talking a lot of philosophy in general, and I was pretty impressed.

These guys (and girls) were having conventions, internships and farm programs, and I began to think how it was in certain ways to be a wanderer by philosophic sensibility. I was living pretty haphazardly in a greenhouse in the mountains surrounding the valley doing differemt kinds of ranch work. I got in touch with them through some shared farm connections.

I played around with the idea of doing an internship, but in the end, my friend and I ended up doing some beekeeping under their citrus orchards, and that was that. I'd see the younger crowd at the cafes in town, and played badminton with the interns on a few summer nights, and road my bike over a few times. They'd always be up to something pretty cool.

Anyway since then I have on a few occasions been trying to develop some interest in the actual ideas of Krishnamurti. Has anyone here gotten any impression of his thought?


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: Kurt]
    #22222582 - 09/11/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sort of where you are, Kurt -- interested, but not yet informed.  I am interested in Krishnamurti because of the work he did with David Bohm, but as yet have not delved into his works with any depth whatsoever.  I'm with you, I'd love some insight.


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: Kurt]
    #22222769 - 09/11/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He also believed in a guruless path, but became quite the guru anyways. :levitate:


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22223532 - 09/11/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My new book "Be your own guru" will be out soon. $11.95


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22223602 - 09/11/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, that didn't cross my mind at all. :tongue:

I met some bright, grounded, and especially skeptical individuals who were variously "invested" in these programs. The guy who I spoke to most was an intern who was about waste deep in Hume's naturalism and we went back and forth on that. The only time we spoke of Krishnamurti was when I asked about him.

To the point (which surely does not demonstrate to be any fundamental point of logic but may indeed be an observation) Krishnamurti claims he doesn't want people to follow him, and yet what I saw is certainly followers. These would be followers, strictly speaking, of recorded words, or texts. Krishnamurti is dead, by the way.


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: Rahz]
    #22223928 - 09/11/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Rahz said:
My new book "Be your own guru" will be out soon. $11.95




I hope it has lots of powerful non-sayings.


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22224380 - 09/11/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lots of powerful nonsense indeed.

A sneak peek:

"As you are walking down the path a sense of your previous self jumps out in front of you, fangs glistening with toxic slime. You...

-Pull out your sword and attempt to hack it. (turn to page 56)

-Talk to your previous self like a crazy person would. (turn to page 33)

-(if you have the blowtorch from the farmhouse) Ignite the blowtorch and attempt to burn the previous sense of self. (turn to page 59)"


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: Rahz]
    #22225120 - 09/11/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Rahz said:
"As you are walking down the path a sense of your previous self jumps out in front of you, fangs glistening with toxic slime. You...

-Pull out your sword and attempt to hack it. (turn to page 56)

-Talk to your previous self like a crazy person would. (turn to page 33)

-(if you have the blowtorch from the farmhouse) Ignite the blowtorch and attempt to burn the previous sense of self. (turn to page 59)"



That. is. amazing.


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--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: Rahz]
    #22225124 - 09/11/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Rahz; I wish you luck in this endeavor. Hopefully you will come back and share when the tricks pay off suffice, you get someone or other a little bit more convinced. :wink:

A trickster has always to me been of philosophical kin and kind. When I was interviewing for their internship, over at the Krishnamurti center, actually, I was sitting there in the waiting room, and out the window, I saw a lone coyote wander through the orange groves.

They are not too uncommon in that area, but the thing about them, is where and when you see them, the situation, or clearing, or in my case at that moment the window. I am sure many have noted (unlike foxes, cougars or bears, to name a few other friends in that valley) these guys have an amazing and deep consciousness of humans.

I'm not saying it was my spirit animal, but I am not so closed to such things when I had been living outdoors by fires for a while, either. This guy was clearly on his toes there in the orange groves, and although I don't think I explicitly took at as meaningful, I know I was feeling a little like that, unsure of how you join this "philosophical community", myself. I was definitely there for some kind of accidental reasons, some extended connections that I was half lucky and half out of place to get.

Anyway, I didn't get the internship in the end, and I think they were right not to give it to me. They could probably see right in my eyes, looking at those juicy oranges, free vegetarian meals, and the almost decadent scenery. Also, come to mention it, there are some beautiful women over there :blush:. (So say what you will about Krishnamurtians, in their favor is they do not fall into the unfortunate disparities that many other philosophers usually seem to for whatever reason.)

Anyway all in all, what I'd say is I would have been glad to study Krishnamurti, or whatever, but I think my lifestyle was my basic inspiration, and I was into that really. I don't think they were looking anything more than a certain kind of self guided focus on Krishnamurti's thought which I didn't happen to have. I couldn't have spoken to more reasonable people, and considered the difference incidental. I am glad to have had those dialogues, and think Krishnamurti still seems pretty interesting.


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22225252 - 09/12/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Orgone Conclusion; could you clarify what you exactly mean here? You are dancing sprightly about the claim that Krishnamurti is a guru, but what does that mean? 

First, would you say that your words would have the same logic, if you did not direct them through an orientalist lens at "gurus"? The word guru probably could be glossed as "wise-person" or "teacher" in our own culture, which can be seen as something appreciating such a critique inherently and yet in a way that would be leveled not just by insinuation. We would call it "sophism" ie. Greek for more plainly a claim of "wisdom".

Plato wrote plenty of dialogues in critique of wisdom in that sense. Indeed Socrates only spoke but did not write, and many have found that example even more suggestive. What I observe though, is that this critique doesn't seem to mean that people can't follow what someone says, or the published work that someone has written, or even what someone "tweets" or whatever, even while that seems to confer following some intelligibility notion. 

Sophistry would have to be a charge grounded in something purported as knowledge or wisdom, first, and in indicating the grounds (or namely lack of grounds) of that position in a certain way. Now that was Krishnamurti's trope too. Suppose Krishnamurti's own critique is a quite good critique of gurus. Would it be automatically unreasonable or contradictory that people might find it worth hearing?


Edited by Kurt (09/12/15 12:44 AM)


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: Kurt]
    #22225317 - 09/12/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have a lot of respect for Krishnamurti, dissolving the organization that held him to be a God. Not sure what took him so long but 5 stars for the eventual honesty. :wink:

Very thoughtful character. I like what I've read about and of him.


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Re: Krishnamurti; Pathlessness. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22225333 - 09/12/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
He also believed in a guruless path, but became quite the guru anyways. :levitate:




he talked about how he wanted a solitary life but people would just follow him.


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