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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22236151 - 09/14/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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More likely the anti-refugee camp will get violent here like they have in Germany.




We have been invaded by 30 million illegals, where's the violence?  Lots of frustration, but no violence. Refugees have nothing to worry about.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22236269 - 09/14/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Keep in mind illegal immigrants often don't go to authorities out of fear of deportation.

But here's the violence we know of and it appears to be escalating.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22236303 - 09/14/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
Keep in mind illegal immigrants often don't go to authorities out of fear of deportation.

But here's the violence we know of and it appears to be escalating.




Pure garbage, who committed this "hate crime"?  Was it organized?  No.

Do we call illegal Hispanic crime against whites, blacks, and Asians hate crimes?  No.

Pointing out the facts about how disastrous illegal immigration has been on the US isn't hateful rhetoric. :huxleyfacepalm:  That article is pure shit.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22236424 - 09/14/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did you just read the first few sentences or something?

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Fourteen months later, 20 miles from Hazleton in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania, Luis Ramirez, a 25 year-old Mexican and father of two, was murdered because of his ethnicity in a brutal beating allegedly by four current and former high school football players. The teenagers reportedly yelled, "This is Shenandoah, this is America, go back to Mexico," as well as ethnic slurs. They then repeatedly punched Ramirez, knocking him to the ground, and then kicked him multiple times in the head. As Ramirez lay unconscious, convulsing and foaming at the mouth, one of the assailants reportedly yelled "Tell your fucking Mexican friends to get the fuck out of Shenandoah or you'll be fucking laying next to them."




Anyway I mostly was linking the graph outlining the FBI incidents.

For context here's what we're seeing in Germany.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-refugee-hostel-attacks-on-the-rise-a-1027994.html

http://www.timesofisrael.com/shouting-nazi-slogans-germans-riot-against-asylum-seekers/

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/25/9200721/neo-nazi-riots-germany

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/16/i-received-e-mails-saying-let-the-hag-burn-says-a-german-anchorwoman-who-defended-refugees/

Hate crime on immigrants in the U.S.  An overview.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/anti-latino-hate-crimes-rise-immigration_n_1015668.html

Here's a good one.  Organized hate crimes in the U.S.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/minutemen-vigilante-shawna-forde-sentenced-death-deadly-arizona/story?id=12976687

More organized hate groups.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/white-supremacists-in-san-francisco_n_1011276.html?ir=Latino%20Voices

A report how hate groups are on the rise in the U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/23/splc.hate.groups/index.html?_s=PM:US


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22236558 - 09/14/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
Did you just read the first few sentences or something?

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Fourteen months later, 20 miles from Hazleton in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania, Luis Ramirez, a 25 year-old Mexican and father of two, was murdered because of his ethnicity in a brutal beating allegedly by four current and former high school football players. The teenagers reportedly yelled, "This is Shenandoah, this is America, go back to Mexico," as well as ethnic slurs. They then repeatedly punched Ramirez, knocking him to the ground, and then kicked him multiple times in the head. As Ramirez lay unconscious, convulsing and foaming at the mouth, one of the assailants reportedly yelled "Tell your fucking Mexican friends to get the fuck out of Shenandoah or you'll be fucking laying next to them."




Anyway I mostly was linking the graph outlining the FBI incidents.

For context here's what we're seeing in Germany.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-refugee-hostel-attacks-on-the-rise-a-1027994.html

http://www.timesofisrael.com/shouting-nazi-slogans-germans-riot-against-asylum-seekers/

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/25/9200721/neo-nazi-riots-germany

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/16/i-received-e-mails-saying-let-the-hag-burn-says-a-german-anchorwoman-who-defended-refugees/

Hate crime on immigrants in the U.S.  An overview.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/anti-latino-hate-crimes-rise-immigration_n_1015668.html

Here's a good one.  Organized hate crimes in the U.S.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/minutemen-vigilante-shawna-forde-sentenced-death-deadly-arizona/story?id=12976687

More organized hate groups.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/white-supremacists-in-san-francisco_n_1011276.html?ir=Latino%20Voices

A report how hate groups are on the rise in the U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/23/splc.hate.groups/index.html?_s=PM:US



So? Anyone with half a brain knows all of that exists after all its a country of over 300 million people anything you can think of is happening... Then you have people like qman who are blind to everything.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22236610 - 09/14/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
Did you just read the first few sentences or something?

Quote:

Fourteen months later, 20 miles from Hazleton in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania, Luis Ramirez, a 25 year-old Mexican and father of two, was murdered because of his ethnicity in a brutal beating allegedly by four current and former high school football players. The teenagers reportedly yelled, "This is Shenandoah, this is America, go back to Mexico," as well as ethnic slurs. They then repeatedly punched Ramirez, knocking him to the ground, and then kicked him multiple times in the head. As Ramirez lay unconscious, convulsing and foaming at the mouth, one of the assailants reportedly yelled "Tell your fucking Mexican friends to get the fuck out of Shenandoah or you'll be fucking laying next to them."




Anyway I mostly was linking the graph outlining the FBI incidents.

For context here's what we're seeing in Germany.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-refugee-hostel-attacks-on-the-rise-a-1027994.html

http://www.timesofisrael.com/shouting-nazi-slogans-germans-riot-against-asylum-seekers/

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/25/9200721/neo-nazi-riots-germany

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/16/i-received-e-mails-saying-let-the-hag-burn-says-a-german-anchorwoman-who-defended-refugees/

Hate crime on immigrants in the U.S.  An overview.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/anti-latino-hate-crimes-rise-immigration_n_1015668.html

Here's a good one.  Organized hate crimes in the U.S.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/minutemen-vigilante-shawna-forde-sentenced-death-deadly-arizona/story?id=12976687

More organized hate groups.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/white-supremacists-in-san-francisco_n_1011276.html?ir=Latino%20Voices

A report how hate groups are on the rise in the U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/23/splc.hate.groups/index.html?_s=PM:US




Your original article was trying to correlate "increasing" anti-illegal immigration rhetoric with an increase in violence, that's nothing more than a conspiracy theory and a effort to silence people speaking out against the invasion.

Is it a huge surprise people are frustrated with their communities being destroyed by the invasion? No.

Again, I ask the question, where are the reports of Hispanic hate crimes against whites, blacks and Asians?


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22236778 - 09/14/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it a huge surprise people are frustrated with their communities being destroyed by the invasion? No.






    By destroying do you mean mowing lawns ? That's about all I've ever seen illegals do in my community .  Do you happen to have a pic of one of these communities that have been destroyed?


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22236823 - 09/14/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Your original article was trying to correlate "increasing" anti-illegal immigration rhetoric with an increase in violence, that's nothing more than a conspiracy theory and a effort to silence people speaking out against the invasion.



I'm curious why you believe it's a conspiracy theory?  If a crime is committed because of a person's race, it's a hate crime.

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Again, I ask the question, where are the reports of Hispanic hate crimes against whites, blacks and Asians?



I don't think Mexicans hate on white people anywhere near how white people hate on Mexicans.  If you don't believe it, then YOU need to provide evidence of Hispanic hate crimes against whites.  :shrug:


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: psilynut]
    #22236837 - 09/14/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it a huge surprise people are frustrated with their communities being destroyed by the invasion? No.



    By destroying do you mean mowing lawns ? That's about all I've ever seen illegals do in my community .  Do you happen to have a pic of one of these communities that have been destroyed?



Great question.  I can't wait for the response.  :popcorn:


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: psilynut]
    #22236856 - 09/14/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it a huge surprise people are frustrated with their communities being destroyed by the invasion? No.






    By destroying do you mean mowing lawns ? That's about all I've ever seen illegals do in my community .  Do you happen to have a pic of one of these communities that have been destroyed?




Do you have any idea what they do to public school systems?  How do they handle 1/3 of their students not able to speak English?  They can't even pass basic tests, who pays for this?

What about hospitals, urgent care centers, emergency rooms? They never pay yet still receive the medical care, many are forced to shut down in bankruptcy.

What about prisons, jails, court rooms, ect?  Who's the victim of their criminal acts?  Who pays for it?

I'm not even going into the detail of what they have done to the labor market, but they fucked it up.

Yeah, you can keep your nose in the sand and just think they mow grass and then the problem goes away, that's called living in a fantasyland.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22236876 - 09/14/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
Your original article was trying to correlate "increasing" anti-illegal immigration rhetoric with an increase in violence, that's nothing more than a conspiracy theory and a effort to silence people speaking out against the invasion.



I'm curious why you believe it's a conspiracy theory?  If a crime is committed because of a person's race, it's a hate crime.

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Again, I ask the question, where are the reports of Hispanic hate crimes against whites, blacks and Asians?



I don't think Mexicans hate on white people anywhere near how white people hate on Mexicans.  If you don't believe it, then YOU need to provide evidence of Hispanic hate crimes against whites.  :shrug:




Define a "hate crime"?  A crime against a Hispanic doesn't automatically make it a hate crime!!  Yes, some might be, but just because a white person does it, it doesn't mean it's based on ethnic differences.

"provide evidence of Hispanic hate crimes against whites"

Only white people can commit "hate crimes". :cookiemonster:

At the end of the day, does it really matter how one becomes a victim of a crime?  Liberal retards invented the term in the first place, a crime is a crime is a crime.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22236970 - 09/14/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Germany just closed its borders in response to the immigrant invasion. Why are they so much smarter than obumble?

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/13/9319741/germany-borders-merkel


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman] * 1
    #22236995 - 09/14/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you have any idea what they do to public school systems?  How do they handle 1/3 of their students not able to speak English?  They can't even pass basic tests, who pays for this?





  My little girl just started her first day public school 2 weeks ago and guess what ? Everyone speaks the English . 
  I live in California . We have allot of illegals .  I'm not seeing this destruction your talking about . I'm watching home builders build and sell million dollar houses as fast as humanly possible . I'm surrounded by illegals right now as I type this. The only reason they have jobs is because contractors can't get spoiled kids who were born here to get out of bed at 4 am and commute for 2 hrs to work a shovel and a hammer all day .
    So once again show me the destruction .


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: psilynut]
    #22237047 - 09/14/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you have any idea what they do to public school systems?  How do they handle 1/3 of their students not able to speak English?  They can't even pass basic tests, who pays for this?





  My little girl just started her first day public school 2 weeks ago and guess what ? Everyone speaks the English . 
  I live in California . We have allot of illegals .  I'm not seeing this destruction your talking about . I'm watching home builders build and sell million dollar houses as fast as humanly possible . I'm surrounded by illegals right now as I type this. The only reason they have jobs is because contractors can't get spoiled kids who were born here to get out of bed at 4 am and commute for 2 hrs to work a shovel and a hammer all day .
    So once again show me the destruction .




How would you even know who speaks English and who doesn't?  Do they speak good English, because that's a major problem, can they do their school work in English?  If it's broken English, they're aren't function in the public school.

"show me the destruction"

Did you read my post?  Medical, educational, and criminal justice systems suffer as a result, not to mention the labor markets.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: psilynut]
    #22237065 - 09/14/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

qman, the point I was making was that we'll see more violence from bringing in refugees but it will likely be us committing the crimes.

It was a response to all the refugees will bring in terrorists crap going on in this thread.

At least, if Germany and our current attitude towards immigrants is any indication.  Which the later certainly is judging by the the content of this thread.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22237108 - 09/14/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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How would you even know who speaks English and who doesn't?  Do they speak good English, because that's a major problem, can they do their school work in English?  If it's broken English, they're aren't function in the public school.

"show me the destruction"

Did you read my post?  Medical, educational, and criminal justice systems suffer as a result, not to mention the labor markets.



   
Because I hung out for an hr . Watched my kid interact . Talked to the parents talked to the teachers . It was obvious after a while .
   
  I read your post . I don't agree with you .
Imagian for a moment your a contractor on one of these million dollar a piece track home projects I work on . You have some illegals working for u because it's all you can find and contract obligations have to be met .
  Now imagian losing them all by the end of the week  and having no one who is willing to do a terrible back breaking job for you anymore .  What happens to your construction buisiness when you can't meet  your deadlines ?  Will Donald trump find employees for u so you don't get sued and lose your bonding insurance?


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman] * 1
    #22237115 - 09/14/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If it's broken English, they're aren't function in the public school.





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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: psilynut]
    #22237337 - 09/14/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you have any idea what they do to public school systems?  How do they handle 1/3 of their students not able to speak English?  They can't even pass basic tests, who pays for this?





  My little girl just started her first day public school 2 weeks ago and guess what ? Everyone speaks the English . 
  I live in California . We have allot of illegals .  I'm not seeing this destruction your talking about . I'm watching home builders build and sell million dollar houses as fast as humanly possible . I'm surrounded by illegals right now as I type this. The only reason they have jobs is because contractors can't get spoiled kids who were born here to get out of bed at 4 am and commute for 2 hrs to work a shovel and a hammer all day .
    So once again show me the destruction .




Plenty of American kids are just as tough as any other people's kids. They just want to be paid adequately for their labor. They pay minimum wage for hard physical labor around here. Construction work pays less than factory work. My only complaint against illegals is that they drive our wages down.

Don't tell me that Americans can't or wont do the work. They can, and they will, for the right price. If you can't afford to pay people right, then you shouldn't be in business. Cheap Mexican labor is a service to the wealthy who want to buy those multimillion dollar houses, not to the common man or American carpenter trying to feed his family.

This is one conservative point that I see clearly. We have every right to filter who comes in to our country, just like the rest of the fucking world. I like Mexicans. They are good people. This isn't about race, it's about economics. Saying they destroy communities and public school systems is a certainpy an embellishment, and I wish people would stick to the facts. This is one situation where conservatives dont need to make shit up to have valid arguments, and ironically enough its an economic issue!

Right wingers getting riled up and murdering people is nothing new. Like that kid in S Carolina. They are hateful war hungry people. I think football culture is very destructive in America also. It always seems to be these guys who played football in highschool, and think they're big and tough. They get out, realize what losers they are, incapable of doing anything with their lives in the real world, but theyz big n strong, and they can beat people up!

If we're going to talk about destructive forces in public education, lets tslk about the money wasted on football to raise wave after wave of assholes. That story is really sad, ppw.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22237423 - 09/14/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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>You are little more than an established troll.

Another left wing name caller. When you have no rational argument, appeal to the emotions and call names, that's the usual tactics of the libs.

We have many hungry people in this country, we don't need to look elsewhere for more to feed. We have homeless, we should take care of our own first.




Again, I am no "leftist" you are a laughable troll.  I can no longer take your comments seriously.
You are a parroting angry individual.  You call names, it's ok.
I state fact and I'm a "name calling liberal".
Hahaha.
I'll enjoy the serious posters here more wit you ignored.
In the future, if you wish to speak your little mind and have others consider your ideas, maybe attempt to speak to others in a manner NOT deployed by children on the playground.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: JimmyK]
    #22237498 - 09/14/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How about you stay out of my threads? I have no use for idiots or trolls.


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