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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22356111 - 10/09/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Buying a cities water supply, treating it with addictive drugs, and selling it back to them for a profit is definitely a form of exploitation.
Whoa... what are you talking about? I've never heard of anyone doing this.
I'm not surprised, lots of misinformation floating around, the fact is these thirld world countries are MUCH better off with capitalism moving in
Shall I tell you about my friend from the Philippines that worked In a curtain shop in Abu daubi?
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I've worked in China a lot. Our company has a factory there. Here is what a typical chinese factory is like
Free room, board, money set aside for education, a recreational area, company store that supplies essentials to workers at minimum cost, 40 to 50 hour workweeks, people with seniority get looked at for promotion.
The people who work in these factories are young, just out of school, and need to learn a skill in life before moving on.
Someone please go tell this working class in China that they are exploited and shouldn't work for these companies. You will get tarred and feathered.
Here's what chinese factories aren't: places where you work for way more than you are worth, and can loaf all day at the companies expense. They are also not places where you you work for 30 years, and because of seniority and union rules, you make more money putting screws in a panel--the same thing you did for 30 years--and get paid more money than the principal engineer who designed the car. ALso in CHinese factories, you are expected to be able to read, write, and think, and you are expected to have a strong work ethic and take responsibility.
Also, if you fuck up, your ass isn't covered by millions of Government 'Butthurt' Regulations and you aren't given license to be irresponsible because of unions. And for the lower working class, they aren't places where you are supposed to expect to get paid enoush to live like a prince and support four kids and own an SUV.
The last thing, in a chinese factory you are expected to work hard and increase your value to the company if you want more money. Pay raises are not government mandated 'rights'
And, in the end, when you become successful, and EARN more money, the Government Mafia doesn't step in a take a great big chunk of your success in taxes.
Now lets see, where where we? Oh, yes, I think the libtards where lecturing us about exploited workers and why companies leave the US.
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I hope you're not referring to me, because that's not anywhere close to what I said.
However, of course China is being exploited. It's being exploited for the #1 resource it has, cheap labor. Surely you don't think that companies are moving there out of benevolence? They aren't even moving there because the Chinese work harder. They're not even moving there due to corporate tax differences. They are moving to China because of dirt cheap labor, and the fact that America doesn't tax Chinese imports.
Is it bad for China? No. It's been phenomenally good for the Chinese. It is bad for America. We need to reform our trade agreements. Unless you want Americans to work for the same wages as the Chinese. God forbid the billionaires take a pay cut.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
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There is no fear in my post at all, you seem to have misinterpreted. What will be, will be. I accept whatever happens on this Earth. Although there is acceptance of exploitation in my posts because that is reality. It seems like you are vastly out of touch with it. And again, I don’t give a shit if I lived on another planet. Distance has nothing to do with it. On the most basic level, you can see people flocking to the United States and the West in general because they want what we have. If Mexico is so great, why do they keep coming? If capitalism is such a failure, why do they keep coming? Why the fuck do you live here? Your family is in Mexico, why don’t you join them? If the opportunities are the same, you should be just fine down there and you wouldn’t have to support this capitalist society that you despise so much. I am sure there are very good places to go in Mexico; no sarcasm there either. I just know that it is nowhere near to having the quality of life of the US.
“a war of ignorance and mediocrity”
What exactly are you talking about?
When compared with other tried principles, how has capitalism not been a success?
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22357391 - 10/10/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I should also point out, that a very large portion of 'western civilization' embraces Democratic Socialism.
Yes and that number is growing at an alarming rate. How is that faring for them? Getting back to the original topic...I guess only time will tell.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22357813 - 10/10/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Buying a cities water supply, treating it with addictive drugs, and selling it back to them for a profit is definitely a form of exploitation.
Whoa... what are you talking about? I've never heard of anyone doing this.
Coke does this. Buys water supplies, sells it back as coke (caffeine is an addictive drug). They also sell bottled water but they sell coke for less (weird huh!)
Families to poor to afford the water can drink from the ditch... Or buy coke for their kids instead!
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paperbackwriter said: Buying a cities water supply, treating it with addictive drugs, and selling it back to them for a profit is definitely a form of exploitation.
Whoa... what are you talking about? I've never heard of anyone doing this.
Coke does this. Buys water supplies, sells it back as coke (caffeine is an addictive drug). They also sell bottled water but they sell coke for less (weird huh!)
Families to poor to afford the water can drink from the ditch... Or buy coke for their kids instead!
LOL The Evil Coke company strikes again! They're making a product, and not forcing people to buy it like the government does/would.
Hehe you think the government, forcing people to buy shit is less evil than the Coke company-completely optional to buy
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
#22358265 - 10/10/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coke is a garbage product to start with. They have sweetheart deals with govt and I read they paid almost nothing for millions of gallons of water they take per year. Cali is in a major drought yet they give away their water.
Obumble opens the door for millions of dirtbags and cali gives away its precious water.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
#22358323 - 10/10/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Coke is a garbage product to start with. They have sweetheart deals with govt and I read they paid almost nothing for millions of gallons of water they take per year. Cali is in a major drought yet they give away their water.
Obumble opens the door for millions of dirtbags and cali gives away its precious water.
I agree-I don't drink Coke because it sucks. I drink coffee, tea, water (filtered), beer
Obowma "uhhhhh uhhhh the Mexicans need water too. uhhhh uhhhhh people need water so we should give it to them. uhhhhhhh"
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
#22358523 - 10/10/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Coke is a garbage product to start with. They have sweetheart deals with govt and I read they paid almost nothing for millions of gallons of water they take per year. Cali is in a major drought yet they give away their water.
Obumble opens the door for millions of dirtbags and cali gives away its precious water.
I agree-I don't drink Coke because it sucks. I drink coffee, tea, water (filtered), beer
Obowma "uhhhhh uhhhh the Mexicans need water too. uhhhh uhhhhh people need water so we should give it to them. uhhhhhhh"
LMFAO!
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
#22358692 - 10/10/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Buying a cities water supply, treating it with addictive drugs, and selling it back to them for a profit is definitely a form of exploitation.
Whoa... what are you talking about? I've never heard of anyone doing this.
Coke does this. Buys water supplies, sells it back as coke (caffeine is an addictive drug). They also sell bottled water but they sell coke for less (weird huh!)
Families to poor to afford the water can drink from the ditch... Or buy coke for their kids instead!
Hehe you think the government, forcing people to buy shit is less evil than the Coke company-completely optional to buy
It's not optional. They buy the cities water rights and sell it back to the citizens as coke. They then overprice the water making coke the only clean, affordable source.
The original comment I was responding too was HU's assertion that capitalism was good for developing countries. I demonstrated how that's certainly not always the case. Especially when the fundamentals of life are abused.
What about this don't you get bruh?
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
#22359043 - 10/10/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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FryersQuest said: There is no fear in my post at all, you seem to have misinterpreted. What will be, will be. I accept whatever happens on this Earth. Although there is acceptance of exploitation in my posts because that is reality. It seems like you are vastly out of touch with it. And again, I don’t give a shit if I lived on another planet. Distance has nothing to do with it. On the most basic level, you can see people flocking to the United States and the West in general because they want what we have. If Mexico is so great, why do they keep coming? If capitalism is such a failure, why do they keep coming? Why the fuck do you live here? Your family is in Mexico, why don’t you join them? If the opportunities are the same, you should be just fine down there and you wouldn’t have to support this capitalist society that you despise so much. I am sure there are very good places to go in Mexico; no sarcasm there either. I just know that it is nowhere near to having the quality of life of the US.
“a war of ignorance and mediocrity”
What exactly are you talking about?
When compared with other tried principles, how has capitalism not been a success?
you're too ignorant to even start with.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
#22359700 - 10/10/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Capitalism has been terrible for many developing countries. How many 3rd world countries have had their governments hijacked in the name of Capitalist greed? At least a dozen in South America and Africa. How many countries have been robbed of their natural resources? Africa would be the wealthiest continent in the world if it wasn't robbed blind daily. They have every natural resource imaginable.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
#22359970 - 10/10/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuck it, I'm waiting on shit to sterilize. I told you my family and I are cool w being "south of the border" (your words) and now you've misconstrued that into some argument about mexico being a safe place. Which I never said and barely alluded to. The idea that folks flock to the us "cause they want what we have" is tenuous at best. It really is a very very simple common sensical (remember, "common sense is not so common" -voltaire) answer to a deeply complex question. Also do you realize that mexico is a capitalist country? as are a lot of others putting out the immigrants you refer. I live here because I was born here and sometimes I go with my brother to visit his wife's family, just north east of mexico city. Sorry if I hurt your capitalist feelings and you're jumping to conclusions with out any sort of real grasp.
that's as simple as I can make it with out busting into history lessons on capitalist countries that aren't the US (a concept I'm not sure you're grasping, america does not equal capitalism or vice versa)
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
#22361268 - 10/10/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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barely alluded to.
I would say that is an understatement. You started off by saying “fuck western civilization” and then carried on with how your family is doing very well in Mexico. And Mexico has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism and some socialism.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
#22364030 - 10/11/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well to assess my wordage I think "very well" isn't the same as "fine" so again please don't replace my words with your own to suit your opinion. Also fuck western civilization has nothing to do w mexico other than mexico is a product of western civilization. chrony capitalism yeah that changes anything, yeah right if anything chrony capitalism is an obvious by product of capitalism mixed w representational democracy.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
#22364047 - 10/11/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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And to think that mexico is an entire system purely based in croney capitalism is a fail without recognizing how entrenched the U.S. has always been in chroney capitalism and its responsibility in the creation of what's happening south of the border
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
#22364066 - 10/11/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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airclay said: Well to assess my wordage I think "very well" isn't the same as "fine" so again please don't replace my words with your own to suit your opinion. Also fuck western civilization has nothing to do w mexico other than mexico is a product of western civilization. chrony capitalism yeah that changes anything, yeah right if anything chrony capitalism is an obvious by product of capitalism mixed w representational democracy.
Well also uh, fuck the collective, uh, the collective and failing civilization is a product of, if anything, uh, liberalism. Failed western culture is an obvious byproduct of, uh, STATISM combined with a good dose of liberalism and downs syndrome.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
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airclay said: And to think that mexico is an entire system purely based in croney capitalism is a fail without recognizing how entrenched the U.S. has always been in chroney capitalism and its responsibility in the creation of what's happening south of the border
Mexico is very lucky it borders the US, don't think for a second they don't recognize that fact.
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