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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
#22342723 - 10/06/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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airclay said: did you just tell me to "love it or leave it"? lol, my family in mexico is doing fine, maybe I should visit them soon. also "biting the hand that feeds" doesn't necessarily apply to nationhood. Folks flock to the us for jobs w the corps that buy the laws and holds the 3rd world hostage so americans can pay cheaper prices. in a quick nutshell.
be careful tho, your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism is showing
There are exceptions to every rule, is your family "connected"?
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
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airclay said: did you just tell me to "love it or leave it"? lol, my family in mexico is doing fine, maybe I should visit them soon. also "biting the hand that feeds" doesn't necessarily apply to nationhood. Folks flock to the us for jobs w the corps that buy the laws and holds the 3rd world hostage so americans can pay cheaper prices. in a quick nutshell.
be careful tho, your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism is showing
Please go back to Mexico and bring the illegal leeches with you, there's a reason why the US American-exceptionalism existed, it wasn't because of people from 3rd world nations coming illegally into the country.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
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FryersQuest said: This is very possibly the demise of western civilization. No shit. Let's just let the entire 3rd world population flood into our countries. Islam will kill us all. The next 20 to 30 years should be very interesting.
They are bringing an enemy army into their own nation.
"Of the asylum seekers arriving in Germany in 2014, 71.5% of those between ages 16 and 18 were male; 77.5% in the 18-25 age group were male; as were 73.5% of those between 25 and 30, according to German migration statistics. Data for 2015 is not yet available."
fuck western civilization and it's borders
Instead of being angry and jealous, try acting appreciative.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay] 1
#22343063 - 10/06/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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airclay said: did you just tell me to "love it or leave it"? lol, my family in mexico is doing fine, maybe I should visit them soon. also "biting the hand that feeds" doesn't necessarily apply to nationhood. Folks flock to the us for jobs w the corps that buy the laws and holds the 3rd world hostage so americans can pay cheaper prices. in a quick nutshell.
be careful tho, your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism is showing
Yes I did. Maybe you should visit them. By all means. And I lol'd at the notion that western civilization is to blame for the entire 3rd world. Be careful, your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality is showing.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest] 1
#22346628 - 10/07/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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airclay said: did you just tell me to "love it or leave it"? lol, my family in mexico is doing fine, maybe I should visit them soon. also "biting the hand that feeds" doesn't necessarily apply to nationhood. Folks flock to the us for jobs w the corps that buy the laws and holds the 3rd world hostage so americans can pay cheaper prices. in a quick nutshell.
be careful tho, your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism is showing
Please go back to Mexico and bring the illegal leeches with you, there's a reason why the US American-exceptionalism existed, it wasn't because of people from 3rd world nations coming illegally into the country.
p sure you just called my family leeches? def uncalled for. exceptionalism exist due to ignorance and nationalism.
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FryersQuest said: This is very possibly the demise of western civilization. No shit. Let's just let the entire 3rd world population flood into our countries. Islam will kill us all. The next 20 to 30 years should be very interesting.
They are bringing an enemy army into their own nation.
"Of the asylum seekers arriving in Germany in 2014, 71.5% of those between ages 16 and 18 were male; 77.5% in the 18-25 age group were male; as were 73.5% of those between 25 and 30, according to German migration statistics. Data for 2015 is not yet available."
fuck western civilization and it's borders
Instead of being angry and jealous, try acting appreciative.
yeah thanks dad
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airclay said: did you just tell me to "love it or leave it"? lol, my family in mexico is doing fine, maybe I should visit them soon. also "biting the hand that feeds" doesn't necessarily apply to nationhood. Folks flock to the us for jobs w the corps that buy the laws and holds the 3rd world hostage so americans can pay cheaper prices. in a quick nutshell.
be careful tho, your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism is showing
Yes I did. Maybe you should visit them. By all means. And I lol'd at the notion that western civilization is to blame for the entire 3rd world. Be careful, your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality is showing.
Saying it's to blame for is a stretch of my words, saying states and corps have found places that are less privileged to lower the cost of production and buy legal systems to keep the exploitation profitable would be a little more accurate.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
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of my words, saying states and corps have found places that are less privileged to lower the cost of production and buy legal systems to keep the exploitation profitable would be a little more accurate.
I always find this argument humorous, like we should be paying American wages to those who live where the cost of living is nowhere near as high
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
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airclay said: did you just tell me to "love it or leave it"? lol, my family in mexico is doing fine, maybe I should visit them soon. also "biting the hand that feeds" doesn't necessarily apply to nationhood. Folks flock to the us for jobs w the corps that buy the laws and holds the 3rd world hostage so americans can pay cheaper prices. in a quick nutshell.
be careful tho, your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism is showing
Please go back to Mexico and bring the illegal leeches with you, there's a reason why the US American-exceptionalism existed, it wasn't because of people from 3rd world nations coming illegally into the country.
p sure you just called my family leeches? def uncalled for. exceptionalism exist due to ignorance and nationalism.
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"sure you just called my family leeches?"
I don't believe so, you said your family lives in Mexico, not illegals living in the US.
"exceptionalism exist due to ignorance and nationalism"
Maybe that's true in some cases, either way that hardly addresses your extreme animosity towards Western culture.
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of my words, saying states and corps have found places that are less privileged to lower the cost of production and buy legal systems to keep the exploitation profitable would be a little more accurate.
I always find this argument humorous, like we should be paying American wages to those who live where the cost of living is nowhere near as high
who said american wages? living wages based on their local cost of living and health care would be just fine. why would you refuse these basic rights to workers in other countries that produce goods you enjoy? are you implicit in labor exploitation to keep your goods cheap and cost of living lower?
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
#22346839 - 10/07/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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"sure you just called my family leeches?"
I don't believe so, you said your family lives in Mexico, not illegals living in the US.
"exceptionalism exist due to ignorance and nationalism"
Maybe that's true in some cases, either way that hardly addresses your extreme animosity towards Western culture.
wasn't sure if you were just making a mexican connection w that one.
anyways, yes I guess if it's something you dearly hold of value I guess you could perceive it as extreme animosity
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: airclay]
#22347148 - 10/07/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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of my words, saying states and corps have found places that are less privileged to lower the cost of production and buy legal systems to keep the exploitation profitable would be a little more accurate.
I always find this argument humorous, like we should be paying American wages to those who live where the cost of living is nowhere near as high
who said american wages? living wages based on their local cost of living and health care would be just fine. why would you refuse these basic rights to workers in other countries that produce goods you enjoy? are you implicit in labor exploitation to keep your goods cheap and cost of living lower?
Taxation, unions and other govt interference is what has caused the mass exodus of jobs,
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of my words, saying states and corps have found places that are less privileged to lower the cost of production and buy legal systems to keep the exploitation profitable would be a little more accurate.
I always find this argument humorous, like we should be paying American wages to those who live where the cost of living is nowhere near as high
who said american wages? living wages based on their local cost of living and health care would be just fine. why would you refuse these basic rights to workers in other countries that produce goods you enjoy? are you implicit in labor exploitation to keep your goods cheap and cost of living lower?
Taxation, unions and other govt interference is what has caused the mass exodus of jobs,
Would you pay $6000 for an iPhone? Because that's what it would cost if it was made here
***insert slogan here
"Taxation, unions and other govt interference is what caused the mass exodus of jobs"
Because no corporation or business could make a profit pre-globalization. It has NOTHING to do with slave labor for 1/20 the cost. 
"Would you pay $6000 for an IPhone? Because that is what it would cost if it were made here"
Come on dude, because Apple hardly makes a profit from manufacturing in Indonesia, what a bunch of shit.
So please explain to us how any manufacturer in the US can even exist according to your line of reasoning?
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman] 1
#22347218 - 10/07/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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He does have a point, govt stupid policies are the main reason companies are offshoring, that and cheaper labor. Trump will put a stop to that.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: He does have a point, govt stupid policies are the main reason companies are offshoring, that and cheaper labor. Trump will put a stop to that.
If US workers would accept .30 cents to $1.50 per hour with no benefits, every business would have remained in the US.
Taxes and regulations are the talking points scapegoat for moving out of the US, telling the true story of slave labor isn't as respectable to the corporate propaganda machine.
Remember Romney's and most of the R's campaign rhetoric for solving our economic issues- "reduce taxes and cut regulations". What a joke.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
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Putting all of your bull shit aside, you are blaming the west for problems they had no control over for a long time. From the way you tell it, the world was a perfect place before capitalism. You are hating the west for being so successful. There are so many reasons why you are wrong for saying what you did. Nevermind your extraordinary hypocrisy, if western civilization went down, what do you think would happen? This is a post atomic world. Do you think the world can be a perfect place? Where nobody gets taken advantage of and everybody lives happily ever after? That will never happen. I get taken advantage of every single day but I don't cry about it like you do. I appreciate what I have and what I have been given. And like somebody else said, it is great and all that your family is doing well in Mexico; there are exceptions to every rule.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
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Stonehenge said: He does have a point, govt stupid policies are the main reason companies are offshoring, that and cheaper labor. Trump will put a stop to that.
If US workers would accept .30 cents to $1.50 per hour with no benefits, every business would have remained in the US.
Taxes and regulations are the talking points scapegoat for moving out of the US, telling the true story of slave labor isn't as respectable to the corporate propaganda machine.
Remember Romney's and most of the R's campaign rhetoric for solving our economic issues- "reduce taxes and cut regulations". What a joke.
I spent some time in Jakarta, I got a beautiful fully furnished two bedroom apt over looking the city for $300 a month, the fact is third world countries are much cheaper than good ol 'Merica, the average joe there would kill for a job that pays $1.50/hr...
Maybe instead of cutting taxes and regulation, we should just do away with the minmum wage...
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Stonehenge said: He does have a point, govt stupid policies are the main reason companies are offshoring, that and cheaper labor. Trump will put a stop to that.
The main reason is free trade. That, and for a while there were laws which subsidized companies via tax breaks to leave the fucking country! This is why we need to stop electing fucking Republicans.
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hostileuniverse said: Taxation, unions and other govt interference is what has caused the mass exodus of jobs,
Would you pay $6000 for an iPhone? Because that's what it would cost if it was made here
***insert slogan here
Germany essentially mandates unionization of large businesses via their worker council program. They're doing just fucking fine. Better than fine. Unions aren't to blame.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
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FryersQuest said: This is a post atomic world. Do you think the world can be a perfect place? Where nobody gets taken advantage of and everybody lives happily ever after? That will never happen.
Of course the wold can't be perfect. Can it be better? Most of us would argue, Yes! So you want to just accept your lot in life, and put no effort into creating a better world for your children and grandchildren? Go ahead, but get out of my way.
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I get taken advantage of every single day but I don't cry about it like you do.
Do something about it. Stop voting against your best interest. If you feel redistributing the Hilton's wealth is unfair, fuckit. Someone's gotta get screwed in this life, right? Why should it be you? (This isn't how I see things, but from your vantage point/worldview, I would still hold my views}
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I appreciate what I have and what I have been given.
This, my friend, is the key to happiness. A good quality.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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You missed my point. Although I know the world is a nasty place, that does’t mean we shouldn’t try and keep bettering it. I say we strive for the best, however I will not kid myself into thinking things will ever be perfect. That is why I defend capitalism. Is it perfect? No....but nothing is. Can we strive for better, I’m sure we can, but redistribution of wealth is a digression as far as I am concerned. And outright saying “fuck western civilization” is a digression....at best. Apocalyptic at worst.
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FryersQuest said: You missed my point. Although I know the world is a nasty place, that does’t mean we shouldn’t try and keep bettering it. I say we strive for the best, however I will not kid myself into thinking things will ever be perfect. That is why I defend capitalism. Is it perfect? No....but nothing is. Can we strive for better, I’m sure we can, but redistribution of wealth is a digression as far as I am concerned. And outright saying “fuck western civilization” is a digression....at best. Apocalyptic at worst.
I sure as hell never said 'fuck western civilization'. However, I think that a society can do better than produce billionaires at the expense of hard working people. I should also point out, that a very large portion of 'western civilization' embraces Democratic Socialism.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
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Stonehenge said: He does have a point, govt stupid policies are the main reason companies are offshoring, that and cheaper labor. Trump will put a stop to that.
If US workers would accept .30 cents to $1.50 per hour with no benefits, every business would have remained in the US.
Taxes and regulations are the talking points scapegoat for moving out of the US, telling the true story of slave labor isn't as respectable to the corporate propaganda machine.
Remember Romney's and most of the R's campaign rhetoric for solving our economic issues- "reduce taxes and cut regulations". What a joke.
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FryersQuest said: Putting all of your bull shit aside, you are blaming the west for problems they had no control over for a long time. From the way you tell it, the world was a perfect place before capitalism. You are hating the west for being so successful. There are so many reasons why you are wrong for saying what you did. Nevermind your extraordinary hypocrisy, if western civilization went down, what do you think would happen? This is a post atomic world. Do you think the world can be a perfect place? Where nobody gets taken advantage of and everybody lives happily ever after? That will never happen. I get taken advantage of every single day but I don't cry about it like you do. I appreciate what I have and what I have been given. And like somebody else said, it is great and all that your family is doing well in Mexico; there are exceptions to every rule.
I disagree capitalism is a success, I maintain the idea that western civilization is a good function of the capitalism we endure today. Your retort has a lot of conjecture, fear and acceptance of exploitation. I guess you could call it "crying" but I would most describe it as standing against exploitative systems pushing a war of ignorance and mediocrity onto the population. also yes, guy from washington, please tell me more about mexico.
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