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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22312976 - 09/30/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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At this rate all of Europe will become a third world country. The loony left wants that for usa too.




It's interesting you think that, when it seems that the actual evidence shows the opposite:

This study shows that an influx of refugees actually raises wages for native citizens. (source)

This study found that after a few years refugees add more value to the economy then the initial cost of harboring them. (source).

Or, perhaps just ask an expert: "There’s not any credible research that I know of that in the medium and long term that refugees are anything but a hugely profitable investment,” says Michael Clemens, a senior fellow who leads the Migration and Development Initiative at the Center for Global Development, a Washington think tank."

Can you provide evidence that accepting refugees hurts countries in the long term?




Are you fucking joking dude?  Adding uneducated and unskilled foreigners that can't speak the native language IMPROVES the economy?  What the hell have you been smoking?  :huxleyfacepalm:




Many of the refugees are both skilled and educated. What's interesting here is that those studies actually demonstrate reasoning behind the conclusion they made. If you disagree, why don't you offer counter evidence and specific evidence as opposed to just yelling "no way!" I'll be the first to tell you that a couple of studies does not amount to definitive proof, but it is a whole hell of a lot better than nothing.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22313048 - 09/30/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
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BoldAsLove said:
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At this rate all of Europe will become a third world country. The loony left wants that for usa too.




It's interesting you think that, when it seems that the actual evidence shows the opposite:

This study shows that an influx of refugees actually raises wages for native citizens. (source)

This study found that after a few years refugees add more value to the economy then the initial cost of harboring them. (source).

Or, perhaps just ask an expert: "There’s not any credible research that I know of that in the medium and long term that refugees are anything but a hugely profitable investment,” says Michael Clemens, a senior fellow who leads the Migration and Development Initiative at the Center for Global Development, a Washington think tank."

Can you provide evidence that accepting refugees hurts countries in the long term?




Are you fucking joking dude?  Adding uneducated and unskilled foreigners that can't speak the native language IMPROVES the economy?  What the hell have you been smoking?  :huxleyfacepalm:




Many of the refugees are both skilled and educated. What's interesting here is that those studies actually demonstrate reasoning behind the conclusion they made. If you disagree, why don't you offer counter evidence and specific evidence as opposed to just yelling "no way!" I'll be the first to tell you that a couple of studies does not amount to definitive proof, but it is a whole hell of a lot better than nothing.




Did you read the study?  I did, I'm not impressed.  With that being said, are there instances where immigration can add to a domestic economy?  Yes, but does one specific example make it a universal phenomenon, not at all.

If a economy has a shortage of labor, then yes, adding more workers will enhance economic activity. There isn't one developed economy in the world that has a shortage of labor today, in fact it's the complete opposite, there's a surplus of domestic labor and adding more people doesn't enhance it, it only disables it.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22313181 - 09/30/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That's weird because they're stomaching more immigrants with smaller economies and still doing better than us.




The latest data I saw showed that the refugees entering Germany are costing $1000 per day per person, but that doesn't even include what's coming down the road, medical and criminal justice expenses.

This isn't going to sit well with German citizens, their government pushed this policy on them and they didn't want it.  The last thing you want is pissed off Germans, they don't play nice.




So far, outside of a few extremists, Germans seem pretty accepting of the refugees.  My wife is over there now visiting her mother, who lives there.  I haven't heard any negatives about the refugees from either of them.

Here's some links talking about why Germany is so accepting of refugees and how they feel about what's going on.

http://www.dw.com/en/alarmed-but-willing-to-help-how-germans-feel-about-the-surge-of-refugees/a-18693591

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/europe/europe-migrants-welcome/

And here's a report on the cost-benefit analysis of German refugees.  It looks like they're not nearly as worried as you are about the expense and expect to see a net economic gain from it.

http://www.dw.com/en/what-helping-refugees-costs-germany/a-18693996


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22313258 - 09/30/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That's weird because they're stomaching more immigrants with smaller economies and still doing better than us.




The latest data I saw showed that the refugees entering Germany are costing $1000 per day per person, but that doesn't even include what's coming down the road, medical and criminal justice expenses.

This isn't going to sit well with German citizens, their government pushed this policy on them and they didn't want it.  The last thing you want is pissed off Germans, they don't play nice.




So far, outside of a few extremists, Germans seem pretty accepting of the refugees.  My wife is over there now visiting her mother, who lives there.  I haven't heard any negatives about the refugees from either of them.

Here's some links talking about why Germany is so accepting of refugees and how they feel about what's going on.

http://www.dw.com/en/alarmed-but-willing-to-help-how-germans-feel-about-the-surge-of-refugees/a-18693591

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/europe/europe-migrants-welcome/

And here's a report on the cost-benefit analysis of German refugees.  It looks like they're not nearly as worried as you are about the expense and expect to see a net economic gain from it.

http://www.dw.com/en/what-helping-refugees-costs-germany/a-18693996




What a pile of crap, even your first link states that 9 out of 10 want a quota on the amount of refuges entering their country, why is that if it's so wonderful?

There's no "cost benefit analysis" my friend, it's complete bullshit that there's a shortage of labor in Germany, in fact the recent data points to higher unemployment. You should be embarrassed to post such nonsense. Is it very surprising that the Jewish media is trying to sell this cluster fuck of an invasion into Germany as a "great opportunity".

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/30/

"Berlin agrees to curb migrants as Merkel faces backlash"

Even the liberals in Germany had enough of this BS.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22314113 - 09/30/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The people we are looking at just so happen to be refugees yes, but by far the most important element is that they are Muslim. What claims? These are facts....do you not understand the Muslim religion?

What people don't understand is that the group ISIS practices the most literal interpretation of the Quran. They are the true Islam. Google "Sharia Law". If I am not mistaken, ALL Muslims believe in it. Which means brutal events like "honor killings" take place.
Example: A daughter gets raped, the father kills the daughter to protect the families honor. This has happened many times. A couple of times in America.

They have huge problems over in Europe. Remember the 2005 French Riots....or how about Charlie Hebdo? But those are small scale to what is occurring behind the scenes. Muslims are taking over parts of Europe. Entire English neighborhoods have been taken over and are called Sharia enforced zones.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sharia-patrols-harassing-citizens-london-belgium-sweden

Or how about this....which blows my fucking mind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

How about this for evidence....out of all the Islamic countries, how many of them are doing well? It is a poisonous religion that only spreads hate and destruction.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22314519 - 09/30/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
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That's weird because they're stomaching more immigrants with smaller economies and still doing better than us.




The latest data I saw showed that the refugees entering Germany are costing $1000 per day per person, but that doesn't even include what's coming down the road, medical and criminal justice expenses.

This isn't going to sit well with German citizens, their government pushed this policy on them and they didn't want it.  The last thing you want is pissed off Germans, they don't play nice.




So far, outside of a few extremists, Germans seem pretty accepting of the refugees.  My wife is over there now visiting her mother, who lives there.  I haven't heard any negatives about the refugees from either of them.

Here's some links talking about why Germany is so accepting of refugees and how they feel about what's going on.

http://www.dw.com/en/alarmed-but-willing-to-help-how-germans-feel-about-the-surge-of-refugees/a-18693591

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/europe/europe-migrants-welcome/

And here's a report on the cost-benefit analysis of German refugees.  It looks like they're not nearly as worried as you are about the expense and expect to see a net economic gain from it.

http://www.dw.com/en/what-helping-refugees-costs-germany/a-18693996




What a pile of crap, even your first link states that 9 out of 10 want a quota on the amount of refuges entering their country, why is that if it's so wonderful?

There's no "cost benefit analysis" my friend, it's complete bullshit that there's a shortage of labor in Germany, in fact the recent data points to higher unemployment. You should be embarrassed to post such nonsense. Is it very surprising that the Jewish media is trying to sell this cluster fuck of an invasion into Germany as a "great opportunity".

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/30/

"Berlin agrees to curb migrants as Merkel faces backlash"

Even the liberals in Germany had enough of this BS.




Can you please respond to me without first shaming me for posting an article?  I wasn't specifically looking for 'liberal media'.  I literally googled german citizen response to refugee crisis and these were the articles I found.  I'm not embarrassed by them.

As far as 9 out of 10 wanting a quota that's far different than not wanting them at all.  No Germany doesn't want a flood of refugees but that doesn't mean they're unsympathetic, not wanting to help, and unable to see potential economic gains from letting in a few hundred thousand.

Compare that to the rage we're seeing in this thread at the idea of taking in just 10,000.  :shrug:

Your link is dead by the way.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22314956 - 09/30/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

10,000 are just the thin edge of the wedge, as everyone knows except the liberals. Obumble already said there would be more. Why should he care, he doesn't have to pay for it.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22314981 - 09/30/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The economic arguments for the supporters of this refugee crisis are disingenuous and I take issue with that fact.

Who gives a rats ass about Germany's demographics in 30 years, a totally bogus line of reasoning.

http://www.dw.com/en/merkels-popularity-sinks-in-recent-polls/a-18743242

http://www.dw.com/en/lauded-abroad-on-refugees-merkel-wobbles-in-domestic-polls/a-18746348

The German people aren't buying it, they know it's a major screw for their for standard of living.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22315179 - 09/30/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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10,000 are just the thin edge of the wedge, as everyone knows except the liberals. Obumble already said there would be more. Why should he care, he doesn't have to pay for it.





Plus him and his family will be protected from whatever fallout happens... Physically and financially...


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22315400 - 09/30/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The people we are looking at just so happen to be refugees yes, but by far the most important element is that they are Muslim. What claims? These are facts....do you not understand the Muslim religion?

What people don't understand is that the group ISIS practices the most literal interpretation of the Quran. They are the true Islam. Google "Sharia Law". If I am not mistaken, ALL Muslims believe in it. Which means brutal events like "honor killings" take place.
Example: A daughter gets raped, the father kills the daughter to protect the families honor. This has happened many times. A couple of times in America.

They have huge problems over in Europe. Remember the 2005 French Riots....or how about Charlie Hebdo? But those are small scale to what is occurring behind the scenes. Muslims are taking over parts of Europe. Entire English neighborhoods have been taken over and are called Sharia enforced zones.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sharia-patrols-harassing-citizens-london-belgium-sweden

Or how about this....which blows my fucking mind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

How about this for evidence....out of all the Islamic countries, how many of them are doing well? It is a poisonous religion that only spreads hate and destruction.




Yes, most terrorists are Muslim, but the percentage of the Muslim population that are terrorists is very small. A very similar situation happened in the early 90s with the massive amount of Muslim refugees from Bosnia. If your theory is correct, then we would have seen a sudden rise in terror attacks in Europe in the following years. We didn't.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22315431 - 09/30/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Did you read the study?  I did, I'm not impressed.  With that being said, are there instances where immigration can add to a domestic economy?  Yes, but does one specific example make it a universal phenomenon, not at all.

If a economy has a shortage of labor, then yes, adding more workers will enhance economic activity. There isn't one developed economy in the world that has a shortage of labor today, in fact it's the complete opposite, there's a surplus of domestic labor and adding more people doesn't enhance it, it only disables it.




I didn't claim it was a universal phenomena. But it is evidence, peer-reviewed evidence. And scientific data will always carry more weight than assumptions. If refugees are so bad for a country, you should be able to find data that show that. My suggestion would be to look at the refugee crisis in the early 90s and see whether there were lasting  negative effects.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22315487 - 09/30/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:

Did you read the study?  I did, I'm not impressed.  With that being said, are there instances where immigration can add to a domestic economy?  Yes, but does one specific example make it a universal phenomenon, not at all.

If a economy has a shortage of labor, then yes, adding more workers will enhance economic activity. There isn't one developed economy in the world that has a shortage of labor today, in fact it's the complete opposite, there's a surplus of domestic labor and adding more people doesn't enhance it, it only disables it.




I didn't claim it was a universal phenomena. But it is evidence, peer-reviewed evidence. And scientific data will always carry more weight than assumptions. If refugees are so bad for a country, you should be able to find data that show that. My suggestion would be to look at the refugee crisis in the early 90s and see whether there were lasting  negative effects.




I've demonstrated many times the negative effects of illegal immigration on the US, I would imagine that the refugee crisis in Europe is many times worst than our current problem.

I have been to Europe many times, the cultural tension with the Muslim population is very obvious, it's not a success story, it's a "cultural diversity" shit fest. The major leaders (UK, France, Germany) have all acknowledged that it's a major failure.  What do you think more of the same brings?


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22315511 - 09/30/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The people we are looking at just so happen to be refugees yes, but by far the most important element is that they are Muslim. What claims? These are facts....do you not understand the Muslim religion?

What people don't understand is that the group ISIS practices the most literal interpretation of the Quran. They are the true Islam. Google "Sharia Law". If I am not mistaken, ALL Muslims believe in it. Which means brutal events like "honor killings" take place.
Example: A daughter gets raped, the father kills the daughter to protect the families honor. This has happened many times. A couple of times in America.

They have huge problems over in Europe. Remember the 2005 French Riots....or how about Charlie Hebdo? But those are small scale to what is occurring behind the scenes. Muslims are taking over parts of Europe. Entire English neighborhoods have been taken over and are called Sharia enforced zones.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sharia-patrols-harassing-citizens-london-belgium-sweden

Or how about this....which blows my fucking mind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

How about this for evidence....out of all the Islamic countries, how many of them are doing well? It is a poisonous religion that only spreads hate and destruction.




Yes, most terrorists are Muslim, but the percentage of the Muslim population that are terrorists is very small. A very similar situation happened in the early 90s with the massive amount of Muslim refugees from Bosnia. If your theory is correct, then we would have seen a sudden rise in terror attacks in Europe in the following years. We didn't.




"would have seen a sudden rise of terror attacks in Europe"

Is burning 10,000 cars in 100 different cities a "terror attack"?

Is causing a massive disproportional amount of violent and sexual crime against the native population a "terror attack".

Is burning down buildings and randomly attacking the natives a "terror attack"? 

If it makes you feel better, we can just call it domestic criminal acts. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22316413 - 09/30/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The Wikipedia article on immigration and crime shows a lot of correlation between crime and immigrants happening in Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

The rape culture in Syria looks epidemic too.

https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/syrian-refugees/


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22316430 - 09/30/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I've demonstrated many times the negative effects of illegal immigration on the US, I would imagine that the refugee crisis in Europe is many times worst than our current problem.





Illegal immigration and refugees are not in any way the same thing. Illegal immigrants travel primarily as a result of economic hardship. These refugees are traveling as the result of violence. They bring different skill sets and different motivations. One of the papers I studied specifically contrasted immigration and refugees.

So can you provide evidence that refugees create lasting negative effects?


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"would have seen a sudden rise of terror attacks in Europe"

Is burning 10,000 cars in 100 different cities a "terror attack"?

Is causing a massive disproportional amount of violent and sexual crime against the native population a "terror attack".

Is burning down buildings and randomly attacking the natives a "terror attack"? 

If it makes you feel better, we can just call it domestic criminal acts. :cookiemonster:





You can call it whatever you want. Did we see a sudden rise in criminality as a result of the Bosnian refugee crisis? If so, you may have a point. If not, you're just making assumptions again.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22316519 - 09/30/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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BoldAsLove said:
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qman said:

I've demonstrated many times the negative effects of illegal immigration on the US, I would imagine that the refugee crisis in Europe is many times worst than our current problem.





Illegal immigration and refugees are not in any way the same thing. Illegal immigrants travel primarily as a result of economic hardship. These refugees are traveling as the result of violence. They bring different skill sets and different motivations. One of the papers I studied specifically contrasted immigration and refugees.

So can you provide evidence that refugees create lasting negative effects?


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"would have seen a sudden rise of terror attacks in Europe"

Is burning 10,000 cars in 100 different cities a "terror attack"?

Is causing a massive disproportional amount of violent and sexual crime against the native population a "terror attack".

Is burning down buildings and randomly attacking the natives a "terror attack"? 

If it makes you feel better, we can just call it domestic criminal acts. :cookiemonster:





You can call it whatever you want. Did we see a sudden rise in criminality as a result of the Bosnian refugee crisis? If so, you may have a point. If not, you're just making assumptions again.




Is this going to be a semantics debate?  The people that have flooded Europe the past 15 years are mainly from Northern Africa, who gives a crap if they left for economic or political reasons, or even both? What difference does it make?  They fled their homelands and invaded another country.

"evidence that refugees (immigrants) create lasting negative effects"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2011/02/10/sarkozy-says-multiculturalism-a-failure/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-12371994

"State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron"

The Muslim population in Europe creates a massive disproportional amount of violent crime into the EU, this is a fact!!  It doesn't matter what you want to call them- refugees or illegal immigrants. :shrug:


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22316538 - 09/30/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22316564 - 09/30/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I advise you to go watch some of Christopher Hitchens' talks about Islam. He hated all religion, but he hated Islam the most. It is an ancient, violent, and intolerant religion.

Hitchens also predicted the caliphate that is now being attempted by ISIS.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22316568 - 09/30/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

http://acdemocracy.org/muslim-immigrants-draining-european-social-benefits/

"An estimated 40% of Muslim youth in France and 50% in Germany are unemployed but far from destitute. Rather, they receive a wide range of social benefits...40% of welfare outlays in Denmark go to 5% of the population that is Muslim"

I would call this a long lasting effect.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22316923 - 10/01/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That's weird because they're stomaching more immigrants with smaller economies and still doing better than us.




The latest data I saw showed that the refugees entering Germany are costing $1000 per day per person, but that doesn't even include what's coming down the road, medical and criminal justice expenses.

This isn't going to sit well with German citizens, their government pushed this policy on them and they didn't want it.  The last thing you want is pissed off Germans, they don't play nice.




So far, outside of a few extremists, Germans seem pretty accepting of the refugees.  My wife is over there now visiting her mother, who lives there.  I haven't heard any negatives about the refugees from either of them.

Here's some links talking about why Germany is so accepting of refugees and how they feel about what's going on.

http://www.dw.com/en/alarmed-but-willing-to-help-how-germans-feel-about-the-surge-of-refugees/a-18693591

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/europe/europe-migrants-welcome/

And here's a report on the cost-benefit analysis of German refugees.  It looks like they're not nearly as worried as you are about the expense and expect to see a net economic gain from it.

http://www.dw.com/en/what-helping-refugees-costs-germany/a-18693996





Well Gee fucking whiz homer, that is an excellent source.  Here, I'll give you a fucking source.  Denmark threw out the socialists a few months back and let the right wing back in power even before this crisis BECUASE THEY HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF--ESPECIALLY ISLAMIC--IMMIGRANTS.


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