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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
#22310086 - 09/29/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can show you the usa, or will you tell us wages are up? Will you tell us they don't cost many times more in services than they pay in taxes? Or that they don't raise the crime rate?
They do the same thing in Europe, why do you suppose they are complaining so much and trying desperately to keep them out if they are such a good investment? One bone head study means nothing.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
#22310107 - 09/29/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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One bone head study means nothing.
wasn't there a study done saying obamacare was gonna lower premiums by 2500$ per family? mine have gone up over 300%... or was that just o=bama telling lies again???
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One bone head study means nothing.
wasn't there a study done saying obamacare was gonna lower premiums by 2500$ per family? mine have gone up over 300%... or was that just o=bama telling lies again???
Yeah, I'm surprised the lefties aren't touting that study. Maybe because it was proven wrong? Facts mean little to the libs, theory is everything. In theory, obumble would keep all his promises. In practice, he kept almost none of them.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
#22310251 - 09/29/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: I can show you the usa, or will you tell us wages are up? Will you tell us they don't cost many times more in services than they pay in taxes? Or that they don't raise the crime rate?
They do the same thing in Europe, why do you suppose they are complaining so much and trying desperately to keep them out if they are such a good investment? One bone head study means nothing.
Immigrants are not refugees. There's a huge difference, and in fact, it's a difference that one of the studies I cited explicitly looked at. They found that labor market gains of refugees far surpassed those of economic immigrants.
So, I'll ask again, do you have evidence that refugees have a long-term net negative effect on countries? I just provided two studies and a quote from an expert that show they have a net positive effect.
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One bone head study means nothing.
wasn't there a study done saying obamacare was gonna lower premiums by 2500$ per family? mine have gone up over 300%... or was that just o=bama telling lies again???
Can you provide a link to that study? I'd be interested to see if they've done a follow up.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
#22310277 - 09/29/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We all saw it in the media, no need to lie, bal. Your so called expert is just an ivory tower fool, much like obumble himself.
I asked if our standard of living had gone up with all the legal and illegal immigrants we've taken in? Naturally you dodge any practical questions like that in favor of pin head studies. People living in the real world know that pay and benefits have gone down drastically along with the rise in dirtbags in the country. And you want more of them???
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
#22310294 - 09/29/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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One bone head study means nothing.
wasn't there a study done saying obamacare was gonna lower premiums by 2500$ per family? mine have gone up over 300%... or was that just o=bama telling lies again???
Can you provide a link to that study? I'd be interested to see if they've done a follow up.
honestly, I can't find a link to any such study, however, I did find links to obama citing it several times... Makes me wonder, where did he get that information...???
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
#22311863 - 09/30/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: We all saw it in the media, no need to lie, bal. Your so called expert is just an ivory tower fool, much like obumble himself.
I asked if our standard of living had gone up with all the legal and illegal immigrants we've taken in? Naturally you dodge any practical questions like that in favor of pin head studies. People living in the real world know that pay and benefits have gone down drastically along with the rise in dirtbags in the country. And you want more of them???
He specified refugees. What do you want? His answer was related to the thread topic.
Just so you are aware, studies are a reflection of this real world that you claim to live in (though I have my doubts).
Boldaslove:
Whenever someone talks shit to you for citing a study because science is 'ivory tower bullshit', just walk away. If science doesn't count, then there's no point attempting a logical discussion. Stony will drag you down to his level and destroy you with his immense experience.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22311881 - 09/30/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i find it immensely satisfying when there's tons of data to refute some bs argument. Of the posts i have made to date, this is probably the one that was the most fun for me:
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
#22311906 - 09/30/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Amen to OP. Last time I checked we aren't the third world. Time to stop being everybody's fucking hero and take care of our own. I can't stand religion....but Islam is BY FAR the worst. Europe is fucked.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
#22311921 - 09/30/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
#22312046 - 09/30/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: We all saw it in the media, no need to lie, bal. Your so called expert is just an ivory tower fool, much like obumble himself.
I asked if our standard of living had gone up with all the legal and illegal immigrants we've taken in? Naturally you dodge any practical questions like that in favor of pin head studies. People living in the real world know that pay and benefits have gone down drastically along with the rise in dirtbags in the country. And you want more of them???
Immigrants and refugees are not the same thing. One of the papers I cited specifically examined the difference between the two. So stop suggesting they are the same. Unless you can provide any evidence, you're just being disengenuous.
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One bone head study means nothing.
wasn't there a study done saying obamacare was gonna lower premiums by 2500$ per family? mine have gone up over 300%... or was that just o=bama telling lies again???
Can you provide a link to that study? I'd be interested to see if they've done a follow up.
honestly, I can't find a link to any such study, however, I did find links to obama citing it several times... Makes me wonder, where did he get that information...???
Can you please provide one of those links?
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
#22312319 - 09/30/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The bottom line is this: Why should we take them? Will they help us or do they have something to offer?
I believe the majority of them are males and are actually within the "fighting" age. Taking in Islamic immigrants is not only asking for trouble, it is asking for annihilation. But you and the leftist ideologues will kick and scream until you get some more potential voters. Except what you don't understand is that if these people had their way, liberals would be the first to die. Homosexuals would be killed one by one. Women would be abused and thought of as anything BUT equal, thieves would have their hands cut off, adulterers would be stoned to death, etcetera.
Have you ever seen someone get stoned to death? It is one of the most brutal fucking ways to die. So why is it that you want them here? If they had their way, you probably would be dead.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
#22312803 - 09/30/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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FryersQuest said: The bottom line is this: Why should we take them? Will they help us or do they have something to offer?
BoldAsLove already demonstrated that they do improve the economy. As far as why we should personally take them in, compassion aside, if one of my kids blows up the other ones toys I'd make him replace it. We had a hand in this. It's fair we give at least some of the refugees shelter.
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I believe the majority of them are males and are actually within the "fighting" age. Taking in Islamic immigrants is not only asking for trouble, it is asking for annihilation. But you and the leftist ideologues will kick and scream until you get some more potential voters. Except what you don't understand is that if these people had their way, liberals would be the first to die. Homosexuals would be killed one by one. Women would be abused and thought of as anything BUT equal, thieves would have their hands cut off, adulterers would be stoned to death, etcetera.
Have you ever seen someone get stoned to death? It is one of the most brutal fucking ways to die. So why is it that you want them here? If they had their way, you probably would be dead.
Can you show examples of this happening in countries that have taken in refugees?
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: BoldAsLove]
#22312810 - 09/30/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: At this rate all of Europe will become a third world country. The loony left wants that for usa too.
It's interesting you think that, when it seems that the actual evidence shows the opposite:
This study shows that an influx of refugees actually raises wages for native citizens. (source)
This study found that after a few years refugees add more value to the economy then the initial cost of harboring them. (source).
Or, perhaps just ask an expert: "There’s not any credible research that I know of that in the medium and long term that refugees are anything but a hugely profitable investment,” says Michael Clemens, a senior fellow who leads the Migration and Development Initiative at the Center for Global Development, a Washington think tank."
Can you provide evidence that accepting refugees hurts countries in the long term?
Are you fucking joking dude? Adding uneducated and unskilled foreigners that can't speak the native language IMPROVES the economy? What the hell have you been smoking?
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FryersQuest said: The bottom line is this: Why should we take them? Will they help us or do they have something to offer?
BoldAsLove already demonstrated that they do improve the economy. As far as why we should personally take them in, compassion aside, if one of my kids blows up the other ones toys I'd make him replace it. We had a hand in this. It's fair we give at least some of the refugees shelter.
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I believe the majority of them are males and are actually within the "fighting" age. Taking in Islamic immigrants is not only asking for trouble, it is asking for annihilation. But you and the leftist ideologues will kick and scream until you get some more potential voters. Except what you don't understand is that if these people had their way, liberals would be the first to die. Homosexuals would be killed one by one. Women would be abused and thought of as anything BUT equal, thieves would have their hands cut off, adulterers would be stoned to death, etcetera.
Have you ever seen someone get stoned to death? It is one of the most brutal fucking ways to die. So why is it that you want them here? If they had their way, you probably would be dead.
Can you show examples of this happening in countries that have taken in refugees?
He hasn't demonstrated shit, you're very gullible if you fall for that nonsense.
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The Ecstatic said: That's weird because they're stomaching more immigrants with smaller economies and still doing better than us.
The latest data I saw showed that the refugees entering Germany are costing $1000 per day per person, but that doesn't even include what's coming down the road, medical and criminal justice expenses.
This isn't going to sit well with German citizens, their government pushed this policy on them and they didn't want it. The last thing you want is pissed off Germans, they don't play nice.
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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: FryersQuest]
#22312851 - 09/30/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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FryersQuest said: The bottom line is this: Why should we take them? Will they help us or do they have something to offer?
I believe the majority of them are males and are actually within the "fighting" age. Taking in Islamic immigrants is not only asking for trouble, it is asking for annihilation. But you and the leftist ideologues will kick and scream until you get some more potential voters. Except what you don't understand is that if these people had their way, liberals would be the first to die. Homosexuals would be killed one by one. Women would be abused and thought of as anything BUT equal, thieves would have their hands cut off, adulterers would be stoned to death, etcetera.
Have you ever seen someone get stoned to death? It is one of the most brutal fucking ways to die. So why is it that you want them here? If they had their way, you probably would be dead.
This means no, he has no evidence.
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#22312960 - 09/30/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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FryersQuest said: The bottom line is this: Why should we take them? Will they help us or do they have something to offer?
I believe the majority of them are males and are actually within the "fighting" age. Taking in Islamic immigrants is not only asking for trouble, it is asking for annihilation. But you and the leftist ideologues will kick and scream until you get some more potential voters. Except what you don't understand is that if these people had their way, liberals would be the first to die. Homosexuals would be killed one by one. Women would be abused and thought of as anything BUT equal, thieves would have their hands cut off, adulterers would be stoned to death, etcetera.
Have you ever seen someone get stoned to death? It is one of the most brutal fucking ways to die. So why is it that you want them here? If they had their way, you probably would be dead.
Unless you have some data to back this up, I'm afraid you're just spewing unsubstantiated nonsense. Find some evidence to support your claims, and quit being hyperbolic. Some people have very short memories. I remember no increase in terror attacks after the wave of Muslim refugees left Bosnia.
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