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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22291380 - 09/26/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If I can't support what I'm saying, I don't get mad at someone else for pointing out that I said something wrong. I make an argument, I don't just call them a 'government shill' lmao!





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if you haven't already argued with yourself, and defeated your own counterarguments to your position, then you haven't thought hard enough about the issue.  thats a good mentality to have.  it makes it a victory when someone can defeat your argument, because you get to learn something that you weren't able to teach yourself.




I used to be a strong Libertarian, when I was young and uneducated. I grew, and learned ;-)




Why the attacks with no substance? What have you got against Libertarians? The fact that they want the oppressive gov to stop fucking with you doing drugs?


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22291718 - 09/26/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't understand why people that lean more left don't like libertarians.  i guess it is because having a government man up your asshole with a microscope 24-7 and meddling with every aspect of your life is better.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22292085 - 09/26/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What have you got against Libertarians? The fact that they want the oppressive gov to stop fucking with you doing drugs?




Bernie Sanders also wants to end the drug war, get rid of for profit prisons, end NSA spying, etc.

Democratic Socialism and Libertarianism align on many issues.  The split is in what economic system they prefer.  Here Libertarians are happy with the status quo and Socialists believe we can do better.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22292108 - 09/26/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>Bernie Sanders also wants to end the drug war, get rid of for profit prisons, end NSA spying, etc.

Obumble wanted to end govt spying, go easy on pot, close Guantanamo, have the most transparent administration ever and end our foreign wars. What did we end up with? more of the same.

I'm less thrilled with trump as time goes on and Bernie seems incapable of winning plus being a loony leftist in many ways. Is there any hope?


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #22292114 - 09/26/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't understand why people that lean more left don't like libertarians.  i guess it is because having a government man up your asshole with a microscope 24-7 and meddling with every aspect of your life is better.




Why do you continue to post these shitty equivocations when we have all explained to you why they're shitty?

Do you think hyperbole is going to change reality?


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22292222 - 09/26/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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LOL. Negro, we're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free.



Of course we're free.  The government doesn't tell people what to do, people tell the government what to do.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22293168 - 09/26/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What have you got against Libertarians? The fact that they want the oppressive gov to stop fucking with you doing drugs?




Bernie Sanders also wants to end the drug war, get rid of for profit prisons, end NSA spying, etc.

Democratic Socialism and Libertarianism align on many issues.  The split is in what economic system they prefer.  Here Libertarians are happy with the status quo and Socialists believe we can do better.




Yeah Bernie wants to end the drug war, and start the war on Global Warming and the war on Income Inequality using your bank account.



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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Enlil]
    #22293264 - 09/26/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Of course we're free.  The government doesn't tell people what to do, people tell the government what to do.




Man, that's funny!


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22293338 - 09/26/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Obumble wanted to end govt spying, go easy on pot, close Guantanamo, have the most transparent administration ever and end our foreign wars. What did we end up with? more of the same.




And why, exactly, did nothing change? Why, "more of the same"?

It couldn't happen to be because of the Party of No, could it? Where every single fucking idea that ever passed through the House was denied, vetoed, or filibustered into dust - no matter what the general public wanted - just because it was written by a Democrat, or was re-initiated by a Democrat... I remember a few ideas that were originally designed many years ago by Republicans, which was brought back to light by a Democrat, and the Republicans cried foul even though it was their idea in the first place.

Conservatives wouldn't recognize their own ideas if someone slapped their wet nose with it. They always argue without having any true facts or pertinent information on any subject. They will never investigate things for themselves; they don't even Google topics - they FOX News them.

"Conservatives/Republicans/Right-Wing Loonies/Teabaggers/Tea Partiers": Very, very short memories and almost no attention span for historical events.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22293349 - 09/26/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah Bernie wants to end the drug war, and start the war on Global Warming and the war on Income Inequality using your bank account.






You're arguing American politics? Using a meme quote from a British puppet?

Dude.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22293441 - 09/26/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

burg happens to be right.

>It couldn't happen to be because of the Party of No, could it?

As for obumble, I see you are using the tired old excuse "the mean gop wouldn't let him do it" That is a loser's excuse. Clinton faced a hostile congress and got things done. Obumble hasn't a clue, and btw, it was his actions that made his admin even less transparent than previous ones, not the gop. Obumble never asked to close guantanamo and it was his decision to keep harassing medical pot users, the gop didn't make him do it. It was also his decision to restart the Iraq war that shrub negotiated an end to, keep troops in afghan, and start up the Syrian conflict, plus yemen, and other places.

Whether or not he is the worst president ever, he is already clearly the most incompetent of all. His shining moment was the aca, another bungled mess someone else will have to sort out. "you can keep your doctor" "health care will become cheaper" etc etc We will have to wait for a grownup to take office before a decision on the pipeline can be made.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22293756 - 09/26/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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burg happens to be right.

>It couldn't happen to be because of the Party of No, could it?

As for obumble, I see you are using the tired old excuse "the mean gop wouldn't let him do it" That is a loser's excuse. Clinton faced a hostile congress and got things done. Obumble hasn't a clue, and btw, it was his actions that made his admin even less transparent than previous ones, not the gop. Obumble never asked to close guantanamo and it was his decision to keep harassing medical pot users, the gop didn't make him do it. It was also his decision to restart the Iraq war that shrub negotiated an end to, keep troops in afghan, and start up the Syrian conflict, plus yemen, and other places.

Whether or not he is the worst president ever, he is already clearly the most incompetent of all. His shining moment was the aca, another bungled mess someone else will have to sort out. "you can keep your doctor" "health care will become cheaper" etc etc We will have to wait for a grownup to take office before a decision on the pipeline can be made.





Well said, Stonehenge. I can't even tell you how many times I've heard some Obowma supporter claim that "Ob can't do anything because of the obstructionist Republicans!, Ob is just 1 man!"

While Obowma writes in the most Executive Orders/Presidential Mandates of any Pres., harasses cancer patients just trying to medicate, keeps Imperialism going, and prioritizes pseudoscience.

To the contrary, the feds cracked down on medical marijuana more aggressively under Obama than they had under George W. Bush, even though he and his attorney general, Eric Holder, repeatedly promised the opposite.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2015/01/01/is-obama-finally-ready-to-dial-back-the-war-on-drugs/

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People Are Still Being Prosecuted for Legal Marijuana. Obama Hasn't Pardoned One of Them.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116847/obamas-war-medical-marijuana-puts-innocent-man-jail

Obama: Climate Change 'Defining Threat of This Century'
http://www.voanews.com/content/obama-to-address-threat-of-warming-arctic-at-climate-conference/2938973.html

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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22294088 - 09/26/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What have you got against Libertarians? The fact that they want the oppressive gov to stop fucking with you doing drugs?




Bernie Sanders also wants to end the drug war, get rid of for profit prisons, end NSA spying, etc.

Democratic Socialism and Libertarianism align on many issues.  The split is in what economic system they prefer.  Here Libertarians are happy with the status quo and Socialists believe we can do better.




Yeah Bernie wants to end the drug war, and start the war on Global Warming and the war on Income Inequality using your bank account.






That's weird because I don't think anyone here is a hedge fund manager or CEO.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22294106 - 09/26/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Actually if Bernie wants to go back to Eisenhower levels (Bernie said he wanted to) then even you, not being a hedge fund manager or CEO, would have your income-taxes double-not to mention the hundreds of other ways the government taxes (steals) from its people. Poor people would suffer the most from this extra taxation.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22294149 - 09/26/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All I see there are TOP rates.

Show me all the income tax brackets, otherwise your claim is worthless.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22294165 - 09/26/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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All I see there are TOP rates.

Show me all the income tax brackets, otherwise your claim is worthless.




I posted them:



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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22307746 - 09/29/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249386/Germany-admits-migrants-claim-Syrian-lying-s-refugee-agency-says-current-problems-tip-iceberg.html#ixzz3n3UdeQtW

Most of the refugees entering Germany are not even from Syria and the flow doesn't stop, it's turning into one big disaster.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: qman]
    #22308651 - 09/29/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

At this rate all of Europe will become a third world country. The loony left wants that for usa too.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22308728 - 09/29/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's weird because they're stomaching more immigrants with smaller economies and still doing better than us.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22309727 - 09/29/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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At this rate all of Europe will become a third world country. The loony left wants that for usa too.




It's interesting you think that, when it seems that the actual evidence shows the opposite:

This study shows that an influx of refugees actually raises wages for native citizens. (source)

This study found that after a few years refugees add more value to the economy then the initial cost of harboring them. (source).

Or, perhaps just ask an expert: "There’s not any credible research that I know of that in the medium and long term that refugees are anything but a hugely profitable investment,” says Michael Clemens, a senior fellow who leads the Migration and Development Initiative at the Center for Global Development, a Washington think tank."

Can you provide evidence that accepting refugees hurts countries in the long term?


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