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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Enlil]
    #22289499 - 09/25/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, he is correct. Govt is the biggest thief of all.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22289524 - 09/25/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's not what he said, though.  He said that government is the ONLY thief.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Enlil]
    #22289596 - 09/25/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As usual you split hairs and quibble rather than debate honestly.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22289625 - 09/25/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
Actually, he is correct. Govt is the biggest thief of all.




Through government we ended slavery.

Granted, the slave owners felt their property was taken from them but the slaves themselves had their homes and labor stolen from them.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22289877 - 09/25/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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As usual you split hairs and quibble rather than debate honestly.




:facepalm3:

If you guys didn't speak in absolutes like you know what the fuck your talking about, maybe that wouldn't be an issue. You're not Donald Trump. You can''t get away with saying ridiculous shit that has no bearing in reality.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22291063 - 09/25/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
As usual you split hairs and quibble rather than debate honestly.




:facepalm3:

If you guys didn't speak in absolutes like you know what the fuck your talking about, maybe that wouldn't be an issue. You're not Donald Trump. You can''t get away with saying ridiculous shit that has no bearing in reality.




why not? You do it all the time, like everyone else.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #22291154 - 09/26/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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why not? You do it all the time, like everyone else.




If I can't support what I'm saying, I don't get mad at someone else for pointing out that I said something wrong. I make an argument, I don't just call them a 'government shill' lmao!

I don't think that is 'like everyone else' at all.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22291193 - 09/26/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If I can't support what I'm saying, I don't get mad at someone else for pointing out that I said something wrong. I make an argument, I don't just call them a 'government shill' lmao!





:highfive:
if you haven't already argued with yourself, and defeated your own counterarguments to your position, then you haven't thought hard enough about the issue.  thats a good mentality to have.  it makes it a victory when someone can defeat your argument, because you get to learn something that you weren't able to teach yourself.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22291201 - 09/26/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Through government we ended slavery.




LOL. Negro, we're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22291214 - 09/26/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

better than liberia...just sayin


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22291218 - 09/26/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You're free to move?


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22291236 - 09/26/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You're free to move?




oh, i hate this argument.  "if you don't like it then get out!"
its so smug, and ignores the history of our republic, of altering our behavior as society to make this place better than it was before.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22291261 - 09/26/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't say "if you don't like it then get out"? ... I said he's free to move around to wherever he thinks he's not held captive.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22291269 - 09/26/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

fair enough


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22291275 - 09/26/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with you though, the love it or leave it argument is horrible.. America is the last bastion of freedom.

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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22291285 - 09/26/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Prisoners are free to move, too... within the confines of their own imprisonment.

You may roam where ever you want, as long as you stay within this box.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22291297 - 09/26/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you have to admit though, that the US is a pretty big box.  and that most of the other countries in the world are at least just as culpable in terms of confining populations to borders


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22291306 - 09/26/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's a huge box, and I can leave the country whenever I want. Can I leave the world? Only with 'shrooms


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22291319 - 09/26/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

realistically, while the US might let you leave whenever you want, that doesn't mean another county is gonna let you live there.


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Re: Idiot lets in more refugees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22291337 - 09/26/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If I can't support what I'm saying, I don't get mad at someone else for pointing out that I said something wrong. I make an argument, I don't just call them a 'government shill' lmao!





:highfive:
if you haven't already argued with yourself, and defeated your own counterarguments to your position, then you haven't thought hard enough about the issue.  thats a good mentality to have.  it makes it a victory when someone can defeat your argument, because you get to learn something that you weren't able to teach yourself.




I used to be a strong Libertarian, when I was young and uneducated. I grew, and learned ;-)


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