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DividedQuantum
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#22221227 - 09/11/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everything you see is part of the foundation of the power-base. Every activity is directed either at becoming powerful, or at preserving someone else's power. Once power came into existence, its holders worked very hard to make sure that it would continue, essentially at the expense of entire civilizations. This hyper-elite class has existed throughout history, and has never been safer from danger than it is today. The primary reason the powerful are safe is that the vast majority of people would like to be in their position. The carrot and the stick. Until people decide they don't want that anymore, the status quo will reign.
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It's hard to convince people their in prison when they can't see the bars. It's an impossible concept to absolve imo. I think one's best approach in this situation is to be a content prisoner. Play the role society gives you and make the best of it. What other option do you have? 
I tried to create myself and up to this point it's a been a massive failure. Hindsight is 20/20 and if I played my cards how life gave them to me, I think I'd be pretty well off right now. Would I be happier? I don't know, but I'd have better material things which brings an added comfort and that's really all I want nowadays.
Power is overrated. Comfort is where the real power is imo and much of it has to do with what kinda stuff you have and the ability to accept the role society gives you. I understand that peace of mind and all that stuff is essential, but peace of mind in a cozy environment with fun toys seems better than peace of mind in a noisy, cold environment with broken/second-hand toys.
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Re: power [Re: cez]
#22221816 - 09/11/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can't find any fault with that. Nice post.
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Re: power [Re: cez]
#22221905 - 09/11/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: It's hard to convince people their in prison when they can't see the bars. It's an impossible concept to absolve imo. I think one's best approach in this situation is to be a content prisoner. Play the role society gives you and make the best of it. What other option do you have? 
I would add that this is particularly perceptive. There really is no other option. The true course of human civilization has nothing to do with any one person's, or any group's, wishes, desires, plans or morals. It evolves much as a weather system does. With regard to the OP, the powerful are safe in their cocoon as long as there is stability. Even they cannot prevent major disasters. But they can reinforce stability in certain ways.
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It's just a part of human nature to have a hierarchical social structure and to gravitate towards hoarding personal power and being greedy in general. We can barely even work together in that model. Any alternative is likely to not work as well. The evidence is basically just the fact that no other model exists, at least not long term and on a mass scale.
Everyone has to come to peace with the fact that that is the way it is, and figure out how they are going to fit in. Anywhere from joining the power structure completely to living completely off the grid alone. But as most people understand, being a brick in a wall protects 4/6 of your sides. Besides DQ, you've already mortared up and joined all us other bricks to some extent. Come on, come over to the dark side. Your transformation to capitalist has already begun
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Excuse me, but why are you making assumptions? You're saying that I feel it could be otherwise, and am arguing for that.
I never said that.
You say I have to come to peace with it.
Who said I'm not?
You say I'm suggesting there's an alternative.
I never did.
Off the grid? Please.
Where did you get all this? I would appreciate it if in the future you make commentary about what I actually wrote, not what you think I meant. I don't appreciate this shit at all.
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cez said: It's hard to convince people their in prison when they can't see the bars. It's an impossible concept to absolve imo. I think one's best approach in this situation is to be a content prisoner. Play the role society gives you and make the best of it. What other option do you have? 
I would add that this is particularly perceptive. There really is no other option. The true course of human civilization has nothing to do with any one person's, or any group's, wishes, desires, plans or morals. It evolves much as a weather system does. With regard to the OP, the powerful are safe in their cocoon as long as there is stability. Even they cannot prevent major disasters. But they can reinforce stability in certain ways.
Read Weather As A Force Multiplier, do a little homework on just what is possible with regard to weather control, and realize that the elite are the ones manipulating the weather. A ridiculously resilient ridge of high pressure indeed, and one controlled to drive the jet stream into the Arctic to add $$ to their balance sheets as well as the coming CA collapse. The goal is a one world government with less people and those left crowded into stack and packs. Agenda 21 is just the beginning of the socialistic environmental nazi regime designed to control the human race.
Consider all this sudden push for driverless cars controlled by almighty Google? Really are they safer while moving and the grid goes down? Really? Or do the elite merely want to control which cars go where and when and the person riding in the locked back can get out after the car reaches its destination.
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DividedQuantum said: Excuse me, but why are you making assumptions? You're saying that I feel it could be otherwise, and am arguing for that.
I never said that.
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DividedQuantum said: You say I have to come to peace with it.
Who said I'm not?
I never said you said that, nor that you feel anything. I was speaking generally not directly to you. Sorry for the confusion.
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DividedQuantum said: Where did you get all this? I would appreciate it if in the future you make commentary about what I actually wrote, not what you think I meant. I don't appreciate this shit at all.
I thought what I've written is on topic enough I didn't really find what you've written to have enough substance to respond to directly. But I'll try if you insist:
Your first two sentences are so general that they are virtually meaningless garbage. "everything I see", ok I see another galaxy through my sister's telescope. Wtf does that have to do with "the foundation of the powerbase" etc, etc.
"Every activity is directed either at becoming powerful, or at preserving someone else's power." OK, so I sometimes pick out my belly-button lint while laying in bed before falling asleep. Describe to me how THAT relates to your absolute "every activity" statement?
"Once power came into existence, its holders worked very hard to make sure that it would continue, essentially at the expense of entire civilizations." Power existed before the human species, and surely before civilization. But if you're talking about people's power, then yes, obviously once someone has something great they don't want to lose it. Couldn't you find a better way to word this though?
"This hyper-elite class has existed throughout history, and has never been safer from danger than it is today." That's just unsubstantiated. Give me some proof. How can you just say it's NEVER been safer?
"The primary reason the powerful are safe is that the vast majority of people would like to be in their position." I don't think it's the primary reason. Why do you think this reason reigns above all the myriad other reasons? And how do you even define "primary"? Do you mean the chief reason, or the first reason?
"Until people decide they don't want that anymore, the status quo will reign." Wow! That's your big point? Things stay the same until people want to change? Thank you captain obvious!
Anywho, now that I've deconstructed your gobbledygook, can we talk about what I've written, or do you still want to try to salvage some semblance of meaningful discussion by clarifying and adding to your terrible OP?
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LunarEclipse said: Read Weather As A Force Multiplier, do a little homework on just what is possible with regard to weather control, and realize that the elite are the ones manipulating the weather. A ridiculously resilient ridge of high pressure indeed, and one controlled to drive the jet stream into the Arctic to add $$ to their balance sheets as well as the coming CA collapse. The goal is a one world government with less people and those left crowded into stack and packs. Agenda 21 is just the beginning of the socialistic environmental nazi regime designed to control the human race.
Consider all this sudden push for driverless cars controlled by almighty Google? Really are they safer while moving and the grid goes down? Really? Or do the elite merely want to control which cars go where and when and the person riding in the locked back can get out after the car reaches its destination.
I don't know anything about this, but I can say I wouldn't put it past them. As connected as everything is getting, things do seem to be taking a distinctly Orwellian turn, as control mechanisms are becoming more available to those in power.
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OP doesnt say very much at all.. 
Lunar.. wtf weather warfare in 2025?
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Re: power [Re: quinn]
#22223823 - 09/11/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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quinn said: OP doesnt say very much at all.. 
Lunar.. wtf weather warfare in 2025?

It's been going on for years now. It's a worldwide "program".
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Re: power [Re: Kurt]
#22224040 - 09/11/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, there's a couple of relatively powerful folks. (Donald Trump and Robert Kraft).
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