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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: brk]
    #22223183 - 09/11/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Then I would ask you, Almond Flour.

What would you say about a life like Terrence Mkenna's? Yes I know how he died, but there are also people who die that way who never touched a drug. So nobody can really pin that on him for sure.

Think of all he contributed. Think of all the things he learned, in the time he spent on magic mushrooms. He definitely had plenty to say about it. With all he gave to the world, and the damage he did to the POS establishment just by spreading the word, I don't think his life applies to your theory. Now I'm not saying I 100% disagree with you. Reading this shroomery forum, I keep getting the same feel that you express in the OP. That a significant portion of these people are just using and abusing whatever they can get their hands on. It does seem that way.

I think they're referred to as "users". And not in the computer way. They've earned that negative label, cause that's what they are. And its well deserved, due to their blatant disregard and irresponsibility. But I think I can speak for a certain crowd, when I say that's not why I'm here. I'm not here to become a user. I'm here cause I need help, and I want to learn what the mushroom has to teach. This is the shroomery, after all. So I'm not sure you can apply the OP to the majority of people here. If this were the methery, or the pill poppery, you'd definitely have a point.

But I can definitely tell you that I'm going to use mushrooms, and I don't fit into your OP. As Mkenna said, its not easy to take psychedellics. You have to have courage and a tough psyche. I think that your post, while maybe unintentional, has the effect of essentially disrespecting shamanism and all that it has to offer. I take exception to that.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #22223226 - 09/11/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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People throw the word troll around a lot. I really don't think almond flour is a troll. Well he is, but he is in the sense that bitter cactus is a troll, which is not really. They just have such shitty opinions that it annoys people, then they play off that to divert attention from the fact that they are shitty. IMO he logged out because he had nothing more to say, or maybe he just had something to do.

That's just my opinion though.




Almond Flour combines Victorian era morality with unabashed hubris and hypocrisy. That's alway gonna get a lot of attention.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223239 - 09/11/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I do work on my sleep hygiene. I go to bed at the same time every night and don't fuck around with bright lights before catching my z's. I get a lot of sleep. :smile:

I eat good, I have been sober for over a year, I have done the rounds with nootropics and think taking a multivitamin is just as effective (meaning they do nothing at all). I don't know what neurofeedback or whatever it is you mentioned but it is probably something I am not interested in.

People with ADD need proper medical professional treatment. This is not something that is cured by eating brocoli and taking piracetam and fish oil.


But ya, nootropics are garbage and the people that use them experience the placebo effect and think they are doing something. I don't even think nootropics are psychoactive I think taking a nootropic is the same thing as taking something like vitamin b12.

The only nootropics that work are stuff like modafinil but that's a shitty stimulant styled drug and you might as well get prescribed something from your doctor at the proper dosage then do modafinil every day.

Edit: I have been sober over a year besides one order of kratom. My medications I don't consider them as not being sober because they are prescribed.



Well then the answer would be no. No you have NOT tried neurofeedback. And as such, your greater than thou attitude is hypocritical as fuck as you have not pursued to treat ADHD via natural means

Also, if you truly understood ADHD you would realize its a crock of bullshit. Like I said, it CAN be treated completely, and does disappear with the right tools

Good day sir




ADD is not a crock of bullshit. I'll consult my medical professional's advice for whether or not ADD is real. He specialized in ADD for many more years then you have and knows much more about the field then you.

To act like you know more then him about a medical condition is seriously the most arrogant thing I have read on the shroomery.

Once you go through medical school and have a good foundation of knowledge about these conditions then I will take your word for it. The medical community is not debating whether ADD is a real condition or not. It is classified as a legitimate health concern and is treated as such.

Take a seat and quit acting like you are a doctor.



Look I respect you as a person, and most of your posts are funny/clever. I genuinely enjoy them. I would rather not block you. But from this point forth anything you say regarding science I am going to have to actively ignore you and not argue with you

You are so naive its scary


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: bennylava]
    #22223248 - 09/11/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: bennylava]
    #22223252 - 09/11/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Then I would ask you, Almond Flour.

What would you say about a life like Terrence Mkenna's? Yes I know how he died, but there are also people who die that way who never touched a drug. So nobody can really pin that on him for sure.

Think of all he contributed. Think of all the things he learned, in the time he spent on magic mushrooms. He definitely had plenty to say about it. With all he gave to the world, and the damage he did to the POS establishment just by spreading the word, I don't think his life applies to your theory. Now I'm not saying I 100% disagree with you. Reading this shroomery forum, I keep getting the same feel that you express in the OP. That a significant portion of these people are just using and abusing whatever they can get their hands on. It does seem that way.

I think they're referred to as "users". And not in the computer way. They've earned that negative label, cause that's what they are. And its well deserved, due to their blatant disregard and irresponsibility. But I think I can speak for a certain crowd, when I say that's not why I'm here. I'm not here to become a user. I'm here cause I need help, and I want to learn what the mushroom has to teach. This is the shroomery, after all. So I'm not sure you can apply the OP to the majority of people here. If this were the methery, or the pill poppery, you'd definitely have a point.

But I can definitely tell you that I'm going to use mushrooms, and I don't fit into your OP. As Mkenna said, its not easy to take psychedellics. You have to have courage and a tough psyche. I think that your post, while maybe unintentional, has the effect of essentially disrespecting shamanism and all that it has to offer. I take exception to that.




Terrence Mckenna was a quack that had a lot of ideas but most of them were bullshit in the context of reality.

Stoned Ape Theory.  :hahthatscute:

If I want to learn more about the world and the universe I will talk to a scientist instead of Mckenna and Joe Rogan. :rofl:


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: topdog82]
    #22223253 - 09/11/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ADD is real and cannot be cured, only ameliorated to a certain extent depending on the individual.  The same is true of OCD and autism and Asperger's.  They don't cure them.  They manage them.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: koods]
    #22223259 - 09/11/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
People throw the word troll around a lot. I really don't think almond flour is a troll. Well he is, but he is in the sense that bitter cactus is a troll, which is not really. They just have such shitty opinions that it annoys people, then they play off that to divert attention from the fact that they are shitty. IMO he logged out because he had nothing more to say, or maybe he just had something to do.

That's just my opinion though.




Almond Flour combines Victorian era morality with unabashed hubris and hypocrisy. That's alway gonna get a lot of attention.



I bet he gets pissed if his wife shows ankle in public. I actually imagine him as some kind of Amish or Minnonite. Must be from the bible belt.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22223266 - 09/11/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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ADD is real and cannot be cured, only ameliorated to a certain extent depending on the individual.  The same is true of OCD and autism and Asperger's.  They don't cure them.  They manage them.




True. There is no cure but we do the best we can do.

But to self medicate for these conditions is simply a rationalization to get high. Classic addict behavior.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223293 - 09/11/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm allergic to almonds and I like drugs.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223324 - 09/11/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Self medicate or doc medicate it doesn't matter.  They do not know what they are doing.  I have seen this over and over again. Very few are actually successfully treated and they go from regimen to regimen to regimen in search of something that works.  Soemtimes they get lucky.  It is rare.  Usually all they get is someting of an amelioration that comes at an extreme price with the side effects.  Prozac is a prime example.  It helped a guy I know for a while but it broke his dick.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223364 - 09/11/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Terrence Mckenna was a quack that had a lot of ideas but most of them were bullshit in the context of reality.

Stoned Ape Theory.

If I want to learn more about the world and the universe I will talk to a scientist instead of Mckenna and Joe Rogan.





Wrong. There are no absolutes, for all you know mushrooms did somehow spur along early human development. I'm not saying I believe it, but as I'm not clairvoyant, I won't discount the possibility.

And if you haven't noticed that science and academia is more like a religion for most people these days, then you're definitely missing something big. Especially for many of scientists and academics involved. Plus the way you just write someone off as quack tells me you haven't even taken in much of their material, and thus I can't really take your word for very much.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: bennylava]
    #22223366 - 09/11/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Terrence Mckenna should have started his own cult.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223376 - 09/11/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Terrence Mckenna should have started his own cult.





I'm afraid you don't have the right idea about me then. He's just one of many I'm studying, to learn more. That's it.

All it was, was an example I was using my first post. He turned a lot of people on to something that could really help a lot of people, so that alone counters the OP pretty well.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223388 - 09/11/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He sort of did unknowingly....


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: koods]
    #22223410 - 09/11/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
People throw the word troll around a lot. I really don't think almond flour is a troll. Well he is, but he is in the sense that bitter cactus is a troll, which is not really. They just have such shitty opinions that it annoys people, then they play off that to divert attention from the fact that they are shitty. IMO he logged out because he had nothing more to say, or maybe he just had something to do.

That's just my opinion though.




Almond Flour combines Victorian era morality with unabashed hubris and hypocrisy. That's alway gonna get a lot of attention.




I never put my finger on the unabashed hubris, but you're right! I think that's what I like about him. He plays at being humble, but you know he would leave a mushroom stamp on god's forehead, if the chance arose, and announce to the world that his dick had been touched by god.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: bennylava]
    #22223431 - 09/11/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also there is something of a cure for ADD. I've had it since I was a child and its had a big impact on my life.

SSRIs. Zoloft pretty much banished my ADD. I know normalcy now. Whatever my problem is, its definitely seratonin related. No question.

Unfortunately, SSRI's have their own baggage, but at the low dosage needed to get rid of MY a.d.d, its not really much of a problem. 25mg taken at the same time every day, kills my ADD completely. I become... something better. My college classes just aren't all that bad anymore, as I can actually get the work over with. I can't even mention all the positive effects its had on my life. That's just how it affects me.

This is something my A.D.D specialist Doc recommended as something of a new treatment of A.D.D. Dr. Mike White of Joshua Family Medicine, if you want to look him up.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22223457 - 09/11/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Self medicate or doc medicate it doesn't matter.  They do not know what they are doing.  I have seen this over and over again. Very few are actually successfully treated and they go from regimen to regimen to regimen in search of something that works.  Soemtimes they get lucky.  It is rare.  Usually all they get is someting of an amelioration that comes at an extreme price with the side effects.  Prozac is a prime example.  It helped a guy I know for a while but it broke his dick.



Just for the record; I am only entering this conversation again because zappa is arguing. BC's unscientific mind is too much to deal with

I was diagnosed with ADHD from a young age, and always flunked through classes. I have effectively cured myself from ADHD. I know because I currently have 0 problems paying attention



As the video above shows, ADHD is NOT a disorder. ADHD is merely a lack of ability to pay attention. For example; you go to a doctor and say you have a cough. He doesnt diagnose you with a "cough". He will diagnose you with the "flu". And as such, a lack of attention isn't a disease. It is a symptom of a dysfunction somewhere in the body/mind

For example, I spent more of my ADHD years eating chips and cookies. The imbalance of omega3/omega6 fatty acid could more than likely have caused neurological dysfunction. In addition, both neurofeedback and meditation both have cured me and many of my friends of their lack of attention. In addition, a clean dieting and sleeping regiment helped as well

I took a doctor mandated test 5 years ago (When I was diagnosed with ADHD). I went for a checkup with the same "expert" many years later, the test revealed I was completely normal. I haven't touched adderall or ritalin in about 2-3 years. I am getting A's and B's in school

BC; you cant eat 1 meal a day of juice and cookies, have no excercise, not try neurofeedback, drink tons of coffee daily, take adderall, and then complain that you have ADHD. This isn't rocket science

Obviously, for some people, the cause of the symptom known as "ADHD" is unknown. But in most cases, it CAN be solved. If ALL possible attempts for a natural cure are attempted, then adderall is a fine temporary solution


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #22223459 - 09/11/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

But Almond Flour, life is so boring without drugs.

I do agree heavy use can lead to bad placezs , but moderate to light use is so enriching, i cant imagine not ever having another psychedelic trip again. What a sad day that would be.

Its all about moderation and self control. Not too much, all the time. Once u get that down, we can all live functional lives with drugs.

I mean, look at Bill_Oreily. Hes addicted to heorin yet grows shrooms, extracts DMT (and doesnt smoke it) and has real estate as income with a wife and child raising a family. Hes doing pretty good even with sparring drug use.

But drugs like benzos and meth should be avoided. Ive heard too many bad stories from both.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22223469 - 09/11/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bill O'reilly is not doing good he is a heroin junkie.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22223470 - 09/11/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

For the discussion of ADHD I created a new thread:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22223468


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