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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22222413 - 09/11/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People throw the word troll around a lot. I really don't think almond flour is a troll. Well he is, but he is in the sense that bitter cactus is a troll, which is not really. They just have such shitty opinions that it annoys people, then they play off that to divert attention from the fact that they are shitty. IMO he logged out because he had nothing more to say, or maybe he just had something to do.

That's just my opinion though.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22222422 - 09/11/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think you're right.  I think they genuinely believe the stupid shit they post.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22222469 - 09/11/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I guess I call it trolling because why the fuck would you come on a drug forum and make thousands of posts with inflammatory opinions? For trolling purposes one would assume :shrug:


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22222501 - 09/11/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you're right.  I think they genuinely believe the stupid shit they post.



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People throw the word troll around a lot. I really don't think almond flour is a troll. Well he is, but he is in the sense that bitter cactus is a troll, which is not really. They just have such shitty opinions that it annoys people, then they play off that to divert attention from the fact that they are shitty. IMO he logged out because he had nothing more to say, or maybe he just had something to do.

That's just my opinion though.



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I guess I call it trolling because why the fuck would you come on a drug forum and make thousands of posts with inflammatory opinions? For trolling purposes one would assume :shrug:



Theres a difference between saying stupid things and joking. But when BC and OP say dumb things and they are serious...shits just off the hook


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] * 2
    #22222503 - 09/11/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've been accused of being a troll just because I'm not the usual liberal idiot who is 20 years old and posts on a drug forum.  Not everybody here is a child, not everybody here is a liberal and not everybody here does drugs.  Although there is a huge atheist contingency there are also religious people.  The Shroomery is probably the most diverse and tolerant of dissent sites I have ever seen.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22222514 - 09/11/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've been accused of being a troll just because I'm not the usual liberal idiot who is 20 years old and posts on a drug forum.  Not everybody here is a child, not everybody here is a liberal and not everybody here does drugs.  Although there is a huge atheist contingency there are also religious people.  The Shroomery is probably the most diverse and tolerant of dissent sites I have ever seen.



Well I disagree with some of your posts but generally you provide a decent logical backup. BC and OP just blow my mind with their lack of clear arguements

And IMO there aren't too many "religious" folk in the general sense. More in the spiritual sense. But regardless I get it


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: topdog82]
    #22222705 - 09/11/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not sure if serious...


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22222713 - 09/11/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You quit drugs first you communist, crank-smoking jackass.
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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: topdog82]
    #22223011 - 09/11/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anyways peace boys I am off to my finance course.



BC: unless you have tried eating, sleeping, nootropics, neurfeedback, AND staying sober for a period of months, you have not put up ample attempts to solve your ADHD

As such, you are incredibly smart for taking vyvanse




Nootropics are absolute garbage for ADD and have no clinical research for people with ADD that I know of.

Doctors don't fuck around with most nootropics cause they have zero evidence of really doing anything noteworthy.

I mostly consider them placebo/ snake oil powders.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223029 - 09/11/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Then you would be wrong.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22223049 - 09/11/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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lol you know what's funny?

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OP started this shit and just dipped. hahaha left BC to take all the flak. XD



Or maybe I was at WORK on a Friday not getting high :smirk:


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22223061 - 09/11/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Even if they do work you'd achieve better results by pulling yourself out of "carb fog", which is done by cutting your daily carbohydrate intake in half. I did it for a few weeks and felt strong mental clarity unlike anything I've had prior.

I stopped doing it because I missed the bread, however.
You'd get as much of a push from nootropics as you would if you watched a motivational video every morning. There's a reason theyre obscure, and it's not because the public is sleeping on them. They're just not effective enough to push past placebo effect.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22223067 - 09/11/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've done the rounds with piracetam, choline, ALCAR, l-theanine, ect. Pretty much every thing in the book for an extended amount of time.

My most note worthy experience from nootropics was brain fog, apathy, tiredness. I could never tell if there was any effect or if it was placebo. I always knew though that half a sip of coffee or a tenth of a milligram of adderall would be far more beneficial to me then any nootropic.

They are the most incredibly overrated substances ever. I equate nootropic on the effectiveness of taking a multivitamin at best. I might give some to my eighty year old grandmother with alzheimers but to a young adult these substances are useless and basically put a hole in your wallet.

I will consult a medical professional for my ADD instead of ordering obscure chinese nootropic powders on the internet.


The reason no doctors I know of use stuff like piracetam for ADD is mostly because the science behind it is bullshit and there is no evidence it will work at all.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223082 - 09/11/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
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topdog82 said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
Anyways peace boys I am off to my finance course.



BC: unless you have tried eating, sleeping, nootropics, neurfeedback, AND staying sober for a period of months, you have not put up ample attempts to solve your ADHD

As such, you are incredibly smart for taking vyvanse




Nootropics are absolute garbage for ADD and have no clinical research for people with ADD that I know of.

Doctors don't fuck around with most nootropics cause they have zero evidence of really doing anything noteworthy.

I mostly consider them placebo/ snake oil powders.



Congrats BC. You addressed 1 out of the 5 suggestions I had. Thank you for ignoring the others. You tried 1. then declared it worthless (despite medical studies that say otherwise). Then took vyvanse. Then told people in this thread that they should get sober

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Congratulations


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: topdog82]
    #22223099 - 09/11/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I do work on my sleep hygiene. I go to bed at the same time every night and don't fuck around with bright lights before catching my z's. I get a lot of sleep. :smile:

I eat good, I have been sober for over a year, I have done the rounds with nootropics and think taking a multivitamin is just as effective (meaning they do nothing at all). I don't know what neurofeedback or whatever it is you mentioned but it is probably something I am not interested in.

People with ADD need proper medical professional treatment. This is not something that is cured by eating brocoli and taking piracetam and fish oil.


But ya, nootropics are garbage and the people that use them experience the placebo effect and think they are doing something. I don't even think nootropics are psychoactive I think taking a nootropic is the same thing as taking something like vitamin b12.

The only nootropics that work are stuff like modafinil but that's a shitty stimulant styled drug and you might as well get prescribed something from your doctor at the proper dosage then do modafinil every day.

Edit: I have been sober over a year besides one order of kratom. My medications I don't consider them as not being sober because they are prescribed.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223124 - 09/11/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've done the rounds with piracetam, choline, ALCAR, l-theanine, ect. Pretty much every thing in the book for an extended amount of time.

My most note worthy experience from nootropics was brain fog, apathy, tiredness. I could never tell if there was any effect or if it was placebo. I always knew though that half a sip of coffee or a tenth of a milligram of adderall would be far more beneficial to me then any nootropic.

They are the most incredibly overrated substances ever. I equate nootropic on the effectiveness of taking a multivitamin at best. I might give some to my eighty year old grandmother with alzheimers but to a young adult these substances are useless and basically put a hole in your wallet.

I will consult a medical professional for my ADD instead of ordering obscure chinese nootropic powders on the internet.


The reason no doctors I know of use stuff like piracetam for ADD is mostly because the science behind it is bullshit and there is no evidence it will work at all.



I agree with what you are saying except the prescribing part because I don't know anything about that but it doesn't mean they don't work. What it does mean is expectations don't meet up with reality. Some of them have a place and I think there is an overall misconception of the nootropic class. They aren't useless but I agree that any nootropic I've tried has better alternatives for what people are seeking unless what the effects align with what pleases them. The most notable I tried was L-theanine. I noticed you said you tried it. In low doses it's mildly stimulating and lightly relaxing but any more and it causes everything you describe. Too much and the next day, maybe two I was incredibly lethargic to the point of physical discomfort. It helped me sleep though, and I liked the dream enhancement qualities.

I had no idea they were over rated though I didn't know anyone held them in high regard.

What nootropics do have is a certain subtlety to them, which is great for people who need that slight extra rather than a more prominent boost with the desired effect.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223125 - 09/11/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I do work on my sleep hygiene. I go to bed at the same time every night and don't fuck around with bright lights before catching my z's. I get a lot of sleep. :smile:

I eat good, I have been sober for over a year, I have done the rounds with nootropics and think taking a multivitamin is just as effective (meaning they do nothing at all). I don't know what neurofeedback or whatever it is you mentioned but it is probably something I am not interested in.

People with ADD need proper medical professional treatment. This is not something that is cured by eating brocoli and taking piracetam and fish oil.


But ya, nootropics are garbage and the people that use them experience the placebo effect and think they are doing something. I don't even think nootropics are psychoactive I think taking a nootropic is the same thing as taking something like vitamin b12.

The only nootropics that work are stuff like modafinil but that's a shitty stimulant styled drug and you might as well get prescribed something from your doctor at the proper dosage then do modafinil every day.

Edit: I have been sober over a year besides one order of kratom. My medications I don't consider them as not being sober because they are prescribed.



Well then the answer would be no. No you have NOT tried neurofeedback. And as such, your greater than thou attitude is hypocritical as fuck as you have not pursued to treat ADHD via natural means

Also, if you truly understood ADHD you would realize its a crock of bullshit. Like I said, it CAN be treated completely, and does disappear with the right tools

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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22223128 - 09/11/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I also just want to quickly add most of the information available  about nootropics is based on random anecdotes of people on the internet.

There is no extensive clinical research to back up most of the claims. Clinical research would be something like having a thousand people with ADD taking piracetam for a year then monitoring their performance on tests and stuff like that.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: topdog82]
    #22223147 - 09/11/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I do work on my sleep hygiene. I go to bed at the same time every night and don't fuck around with bright lights before catching my z's. I get a lot of sleep. :smile:

I eat good, I have been sober for over a year, I have done the rounds with nootropics and think taking a multivitamin is just as effective (meaning they do nothing at all). I don't know what neurofeedback or whatever it is you mentioned but it is probably something I am not interested in.

People with ADD need proper medical professional treatment. This is not something that is cured by eating brocoli and taking piracetam and fish oil.


But ya, nootropics are garbage and the people that use them experience the placebo effect and think they are doing something. I don't even think nootropics are psychoactive I think taking a nootropic is the same thing as taking something like vitamin b12.

The only nootropics that work are stuff like modafinil but that's a shitty stimulant styled drug and you might as well get prescribed something from your doctor at the proper dosage then do modafinil every day.

Edit: I have been sober over a year besides one order of kratom. My medications I don't consider them as not being sober because they are prescribed.



Well then the answer would be no. No you have NOT tried neurofeedback. And as such, your greater than thou attitude is hypocritical as fuck as you have not pursued to treat ADHD via natural means

Also, if you truly understood ADHD you would realize its a crock of bullshit. Like I said, it CAN be treated completely, and does disappear with the right tools

Good day sir




ADD is not a crock of bullshit. I'll consult my medical professional's advice for whether or not ADD is real. He specialized in ADD for many more years then you have and knows much more about the field then you.

To act like you know more then him about a medical condition is seriously the most arrogant thing I have read on the shroomery.

Once you go through medical school and have a good foundation of knowledge about these conditions then I will take your word for it. The medical community is not debating whether ADD is a real condition or not. It is classified as a legitimate health concern and is treated as such.

Take a seat and quit acting like you are a doctor.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: topdog82]
    #22223173 - 09/11/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Drug use isnt an issue untill it becomes drug abuse. Then it's a huge problem, but addicts need help and support from friend's, family and the wider medical community.

What exactly do you think your going to achive by coming in here and preaching abstinence OP?

Any addict will tell you shouting 'STOP DOING IT' can make the problem worse.

If you want to feel like your making a difference, why not support those on here who need it, when they need it most.


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